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« on: August 25, 2021, 09:55:16 PM »

Who cares, honestly?

If you are not vaccinated yet, that is your problem, that's your concern.

Who the hell cares?

Focus on getting rid of this worldwide virus, focus on the economy and so on....

Homeschool your children or grandchildren......the job of a parent is to raise a child....when you have a child, you have to balance work, personal and professional and the child!! Why did you give birth to them!!! Homeschool them or something, because you will see a lot of parents bring unmasked children to school.....
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« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2021, 10:10:09 PM »

The China Virus can be carried by people who are unvaccinated, mutate, and become something more deadly that affects all people - including those who are vaccinated. So we all need to do our part and get the shot.
You claim to believe in "freedom"? You're no patriot.
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« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2021, 10:22:44 PM »

I love everyone and don't want them to die a needless death.
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« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2021, 11:05:07 PM »

I love everyone and don't want them to die a needless death.

I honestly care less and less about the unvaccinated as the days go by. Dem governors really need to stop basing their policies around not offending them.

Any governor who implements statewide mask mandates but not vaccine mandates is playing into their hands.
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« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2021, 11:06:28 PM »

I HATE ANTI VAXERS!!!!
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« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2021, 11:32:14 PM »

Covid can't mutate into more virulent strains like Delta if it can't replicate within a host. Generally, it can't replicate within a host if said person is vaccinated. Therefore, if we got enough of the population vaccinated (85-90% epidemiologists say), we could stop the virus from mutating into worse strains and more or less "defeat" Covid. This really isn't that complicated.

Of course, the fact that the vast majority of the second and third worlds remain unvaccinated poses a big problem with respect to the goal of preventing further mutations, but hospitalization and death rates are dramatically lower among the vaccinated, which if we reached target vaccination rates (again, 85-90%) would save us billions if not trillions in healthcare costs, and of course hundreds of thousands of lives. So, a goal worthy of monumental effort itself.
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« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2021, 11:42:59 PM »

Also the issue of some people not being able to develop immunity.   Carriers are a thing, and the vaccine can lower the amount of them.
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« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2021, 11:50:38 PM »

Unvaccinated people can contract COVID and require hospitalization, far more often than the vaccinated. If you have a lot of people who require hospitalization, that places a strain on the healthcare system. It takes longer for you to get care — anything you have that requires hospitalization may require a wait in the ambulance, a longer drive to a different hospital, so on. If you are in an auto accident, and you require immediate care to save your life or prevent you from developing a lifelong disability, you may not get the care you need because some dumb is taking up your hospital bed.

I wouldn't care at all if you made the "personal choice" to not get vaccinated if you also consented to not receive any medical services as a result of your decision, but that's flagrant violation of medical ethics so it won't happen. So I'm stuck caring about your vaccine status — not for your sake but because it threatens my life should I ever need to rely on the healthcare system.
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« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2021, 12:14:11 AM »

If we'd let 40% of the country run around without the polio vaccine, we'd probably have ended up with some sort of "Delta Polio" that was 5x more contagious and resistant to the vaccine, and we'd still be battling it to this day, with red states full of iron lungs.
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« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2021, 04:03:15 AM »

Lets see, just to list off a few things that are happening due to unvaccinated:

>Hospitals are overflowing, leading to nurses quitting from burnout and people being turned away who have to go because of non-covid related emergencies
>Water treatment is now at risk, as the liquid oxygen that's used has to go to hospitals, leading some municipalities treating water with bleach (which is not exactly safe or healthy in the long run)
>States are increasingly receding back to imposing restrictions on the vaccinated, many of which were vaccinated specifically to free themselves from those restrictions
>People who are immunocompromised are being put at unnecessary risk
>Schools and entire towns are having to close because so many people are out, leading to the entire infrastructure collapsing

There are also worker shortages which is disrupting the supply chains, and if things keep getting worse, food processing is inevitably going to be impacted.

If you're vaccinated, you have to deal with the stupid behavior of antivaxxers. If you're unvaccinated and want to pretend everything's fine and the pandemic's over, guess what? You're still going to be directly impacted by all of this--even if you don't actually get covid itself.
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« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2021, 05:09:05 AM »
« Edited: August 26, 2021, 11:49:57 AM by The Daily Beagle »

People start to care when hospitals and water treatment plants have to start shutting  down to care for those who violently refuse to care for themselves. This should the biggest subtle sign of a failing culture that most people can imagine.

It’s not just your business, it’s everyone’s business.
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« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2021, 05:21:38 AM »

If you are not vaccinated yet, that is your problem, that's your concern.

Focus on getting rid of this worldwide virus

These two statements are a contradiction. Your line of argumentation is inherently illogical.
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« Reply #12 on: August 26, 2021, 05:38:45 AM »

Who cares, honestly?

If you are not vaccinated yet, that is your problem, that's your concern.

Who the hell cares?

Focus on getting rid of this worldwide virus, focus on the economy and so on....

Homeschool your children or grandchildren......the job of a parent is to raise a child....when you have a child, you have to balance work, personal and professional and the child!! Why did you give birth to them!!! Homeschool them or something, because you will see a lot of parents bring unmasked children to school.....

Get new material.
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« Reply #13 on: August 26, 2021, 09:44:45 AM »

Who cares, honestly?

If you are not vaccinated yet, that is your problem, that's your concern.

Who the hell cares?

Focus on getting rid of this worldwide virus, focus on the economy and so on....

Homeschool your children or grandchildren......the job of a parent is to raise a child....when you have a child, you have to balance work, personal and professional and the child!! Why did you give birth to them!!! Homeschool them or something, because you will see a lot of parents bring unmasked children to school.....

Get new material.

But he's just asking questions!  Innocent, unloaded questions with absolutely no sinister agenda between the lines.
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« Reply #14 on: August 26, 2021, 11:50:59 AM »

Tell that to my friend who can't get his wife into the hospital when her stomach's blowing up, because it's full of idiot anti-vaxxers who were too good for the vaccine that >70% of the country got. And now they're lying there wasting money, resources, labor, and time that could be going to someone who actually needed help.
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« Reply #15 on: August 26, 2021, 12:29:08 PM »

Unvaccinated people can contract COVID and require hospitalization, far more often than the vaccinated. If you have a lot of people who require hospitalization, that places a strain on the healthcare system. It takes longer for you to get care — anything you have that requires hospitalization may require a wait in the ambulance, a longer drive to a different hospital, so on. If you are in an auto accident, and you require immediate care to save your life or prevent you from developing a lifelong disability, you may not get the care you need because some dumb is taking up your hospital bed.

I wouldn't care at all if you made the "personal choice" to not get vaccinated if you also consented to not receive any medical services as a result of your decision, but that's flagrant violation of medical ethics so it won't happen. So I'm stuck caring about your vaccine status — not for your sake but because it threatens my life should I ever need to rely on the healthcare system.

By the same logic should sweets and fatty food be regulated and even banned ?
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« Reply #16 on: August 26, 2021, 12:39:09 PM »

Unvaccinated people can contract COVID and require hospitalization, far more often than the vaccinated. If you have a lot of people who require hospitalization, that places a strain on the healthcare system. It takes longer for you to get care — anything you have that requires hospitalization may require a wait in the ambulance, a longer drive to a different hospital, so on. If you are in an auto accident, and you require immediate care to save your life or prevent you from developing a lifelong disability, you may not get the care you need because some dumb is taking up your hospital bed.

I wouldn't care at all if you made the "personal choice" to not get vaccinated if you also consented to not receive any medical services as a result of your decision, but that's flagrant violation of medical ethics so it won't happen. So I'm stuck caring about your vaccine status — not for your sake but because it threatens my life should I ever need to rely on the healthcare system.

By the same logic should sweets and fatty food be regulated and even banned ?

That’s not a reasonable analogy.
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« Reply #17 on: August 26, 2021, 01:07:45 PM »

Yes we know diseases are not deadly unless the attack TCells, if there was a Herpes, AIDS OR CANCER VACCINE, LINES WOULD BE RUNNING EVERYWHERE FOR A VACCINE

Everyone don't get flu, Hepititis AB shots or pneumonia shots, I worked in Hospital right after 911 and some people said who cares about getting vaccinated
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« Reply #18 on: August 26, 2021, 01:13:23 PM »

There are people who actually can't get vaccinated that rely on the herd immunity to not get certain diseases. They can't but would love to, don't kill them because you're a twat.

Just think, your parents were desperate back in the day to get their kids vaccinated so they didn't die in a TB summer outbreak now go "meh, who cares if we die or others die". Pretty sick.
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« Reply #19 on: August 26, 2021, 01:16:15 PM »

Unvaccinated people can contract COVID and require hospitalization, far more often than the vaccinated. If you have a lot of people who require hospitalization, that places a strain on the healthcare system. It takes longer for you to get care — anything you have that requires hospitalization may require a wait in the ambulance, a longer drive to a different hospital, so on. If you are in an auto accident, and you require immediate care to save your life or prevent you from developing a lifelong disability, you may not get the care you need because some dumb is taking up your hospital bed.

I wouldn't care at all if you made the "personal choice" to not get vaccinated if you also consented to not receive any medical services as a result of your decision, but that's flagrant violation of medical ethics so it won't happen. So I'm stuck caring about your vaccine status — not for your sake but because it threatens my life should I ever need to rely on the healthcare system.

By the same logic should sweets and fatty food be regulated and even banned ?

That’s not a reasonable analogy.

To be fair, things like high fructose corn syrup and hydrogenated vegetable oils absolutely should be.
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« Reply #20 on: August 26, 2021, 01:28:42 PM »

If you are not vaccinated yet, that is your problem, that's your concern.

Focus on getting rid of this worldwide virus

These two statements are a contradiction. Your line of argumentation is inherently illogical.

You can focus on getting rid of the virus by socially distancing, wearing a mask, and work from home if you can.

If you don't want to get vaccinated, oh well.

You can't force this on people. Period. Period.
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« Reply #21 on: August 26, 2021, 02:00:56 PM »

Unvaccinated people can contract COVID and require hospitalization, far more often than the vaccinated. If you have a lot of people who require hospitalization, that places a strain on the healthcare system. It takes longer for you to get care — anything you have that requires hospitalization may require a wait in the ambulance, a longer drive to a different hospital, so on. If you are in an auto accident, and you require immediate care to save your life or prevent you from developing a lifelong disability, you may not get the care you need because some dumb is taking up your hospital bed.

I wouldn't care at all if you made the "personal choice" to not get vaccinated if you also consented to not receive any medical services as a result of your decision, but that's flagrant violation of medical ethics so it won't happen. So I'm stuck caring about your vaccine status — not for your sake but because it threatens my life should I ever need to rely on the healthcare system.

By the same logic should sweets and fatty food be regulated and even banned ?
If there's no room in the ICU and the morgues are overflowing because too many people are eating McDonald's then yeah we should probably do something about that. But something tells me we're nowhere near the point where high-fructose corn syrup is forcing ambulances to wait hours to offload patients.
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« Reply #22 on: August 26, 2021, 02:04:03 PM »

Unvaccinated people can contract COVID and require hospitalization, far more often than the vaccinated. If you have a lot of people who require hospitalization, that places a strain on the healthcare system. It takes longer for you to get care — anything you have that requires hospitalization may require a wait in the ambulance, a longer drive to a different hospital, so on. If you are in an auto accident, and you require immediate care to save your life or prevent you from developing a lifelong disability, you may not get the care you need because some dumb is taking up your hospital bed.

I wouldn't care at all if you made the "personal choice" to not get vaccinated if you also consented to not receive any medical services as a result of your decision, but that's flagrant violation of medical ethics so it won't happen. So I'm stuck caring about your vaccine status — not for your sake but because it threatens my life should I ever need to rely on the healthcare system.

By the same logic should sweets and fatty food be regulated and even banned ?
If there's no room in the ICU and the morgues are overflowing because too many people are eating McDonald's then yeah we should probably do something about that. But something tells me we're nowhere near the point where high-fructose corn syrup is forcing ambulances to wait hours to offload patients.

That's why it isn't a good analogy.
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« Reply #23 on: August 26, 2021, 02:12:16 PM »

COVID-19 can be carried by people who are unvaccinated, mutate, and become something more deadly that affects all people - including those who are vaccinated. So we all need to do our part and get the shot.
Looks like this post was edited, I didn't originally say COVID-19. Not cool with this.

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Yeah. This is absurd.  China Virus is perfectly legitimate way of referring to COVID-19. I see nothing wrong with using that term. 
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« Reply #24 on: August 26, 2021, 02:17:42 PM »

COVID-19 can be carried by people who are unvaccinated, mutate, and become something more deadly that affects all people - including those who are vaccinated. So we all need to do our part and get the shot.
Looks like this post was edited, I didn't originally say COVID-19. Not cool with this.

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If saying "China Virus" is barred by the TOS, then I am probably done here. Will be deleting my posts and requesting to have my account deleted.

Yeah. This is absurd.  China Virus is perfectly legitimate way of referring to COVID-19. I see nothing wrong with using that term. 
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I mean, it's not racist but it is an accusation of intentional culpability. It's actually quite possible that it did accidently leak from a lab, but it's not an attack or anything like that.
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