Why are people mad about refugees???

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

[Bootes Void]

Referring to who specifically?

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

Referring to who specifically?

Afghanistan.

[Bootes Void]

Referring to who specifically?

Afghanistan.

Yeah what about it?

[beesley]

It's a knee jerk reaction to foreigners whom they see as undesirable. I hate to sound overly simplistic but that's the long and short of it.

That being said, when there are American and British citizens still there, it's understandable that people would complain about planeloads of refugees when their own are still stranded. But aside from that, it's just the same old song.

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

Referring to who specifically?

Afghanistan.

Yeah what about it?

To clarify, the country, not the state.

[Horus]

I'm not particularly enthused about it, but we spent 20 years bombing them so I think we have a duty here. If they were coming in from Azerbaijan or Paraguay or some country we weren't occupying I wouldn't be for it.

[Joe Republic]

I suppose it's worth noting that during the twenty years after 1975, the US accepted around 400,000 Vietnamese refugees.

Our entire country collapsed under the weight of this overwhelming burden, and none of these people ever assimilated into American culture, of course.

sarcasm, if that wasn't obvious

Conservatives and other miscellaneous racists would likely have you believe that second paragraph was not sarcasm.

[CEO Mindset]

well what about the poor afghans? they've done no crime that merits having to deal with pressures like 'the american dream' or the us educational system imo

i notice nobody's brought up the perspective that the current western world is clown world and that it's basically cruelty to subject these innocent people to it. then again most of talk.pedo considers endless media psyops, democracy, capitalism, whiny feminism, etc to be _good_ things so not expecting the ability to think

[Progressive Pessimist]

Because Americans are inconsistent in their thinking about the war in Afghanistan, and their xenophobic tendencies tend to take over when accepting refugees becomes a solution. They'll react with shock at terrorists shouting "death to America!" and how those people are now going to run a country and likely negatively affect the lives of millions of women and children, but for those women and children to come here instead as a solution, people get uncomfortable and suspect, exposing themselves as bad faith actors.

 And a lot of it has to do with the nationalist sentiment that so many have in this country that is only getting more and more pronounced as our national politics becomes increasingly toxic. Accepting refugees, to many, probably comes across as foreigners being put before Americans, and Republicans seize upon that paranoia by then casting those refugees in a light of being underhanded and taking advantage of the United States once they get here, if they don't act on terrorist impulses, that is! It's ironic because the nationalist thing to do would be to not be involved in another country's affairs at all, but the right thing to do would then be to try and mitigate the affects of our withdrawal from somewhere and truly step up to adhering to our ideals as a nation. Again, inconsistencies amok!

[Alben Barkley]

Racism, xenophobia, irrational fears, national chauvinism, etc.

[CEO Mindset]

using "xenophobia" or "national chauvanism" in a context that isn't mocking those who use those terms unironically means i don't take you at all seriously

[Progressive Pessimist]

using "xenophobia" or "national chauvanism" in a context that isn't mocking those who use those terms unironically means i don't take you at all seriously

Says someone who unironically uses the term "soy" in a derogatory way.

[Vaccinated Russian Bear]

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/04/biden-second-chance/618586/

As I recently wrote, Biden has a relevant personal history. In April 1975, as a first-term senator, he was an outspoken opponent of using American money and risking Americans’ safety to rescue the tens of thousands of South Vietnamese who had bet their lives on American promises. “The United States has no obligation to evacuate one, or 100,001, South Vietnamese,” he said in a Senate speech. President Gerald Ford tried to sway Biden by reminding him of the American tradition of welcoming refugees from war and oppression, but Biden was unmoved. Vietnam was a lost cause, and Americans wanted to forget.

[Meclazine for Israel]

Natural biology.

No group of animals, Tender Branson included, want strange new biological creatures interacting with their daughters.

Humans' capacity to group together and hate on other groups would appear to be an evolutionary trait.

[certified hummus supporter 🇵🇸🤝🇺🇸🤝🇺🇦]

Natural biology.

No group of animals, Tender Branson included, want strange new biological creatures interacting with their daughters.

Humans' capacity to group together and hate on other groups would appear to be an evolutionary trait.

Dude. What the f**k is that comparison?

[certified hummus supporter 🇵🇸🤝🇺🇸🤝🇺🇦]

It's a simple but very unfortunate and highly immoral fact: Americans are generally xenophobic of other peoples. From the S.S. St. Louis to Vietnamese Refugees to today refugees from Afghanistan. Americans simply have always had been irrationally fearful of the "other" person.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/04/biden-second-chance/618586/

As I recently wrote, Biden has a relevant personal history. In April 1975, as a first-term senator, he was an outspoken opponent of using American money and risking Americans’ safety to rescue the tens of thousands of South Vietnamese who had bet their lives on American promises. “The United States has no obligation to evacuate one, or 100,001, South Vietnamese,” he said in a Senate speech. President Gerald Ford tried to sway Biden by reminding him of the American tradition of welcoming refugees from war and oppression, but Biden was unmoved. Vietnam was a lost cause, and Americans wanted to forget.

I'm just going to repost my reply to the last time your brought this up:

You can hide a lot of things in an elipsis. Here's the actual quote from the WSJ,

Unhappy with Donald Trump’s
conduct in general and handling of Covid-19 in particular, millions of Americans convinced themselves that Mr. Biden is competent, compassionate, even wise. He showed otherwise at the beginning of his political career. During a discussion about aid to Cambodia in 1975, the then-freshman senator reportedly declared, “I’m getting sick and tired of hearing about morality, our moral obligation.” The same year he proclaimed that “the United States has no obligation to evacuate one, or 100,001, South Vietnamese.” Millions have been shocked by the president’s callous response to the consequences of his withdrawal from Afghanistan, but this is the politician he has always been.

Snopes has more detail on Biden and evacuating South Vietnam:
Did Biden Block Giving Aid and Admittance to Vietnamese Refugees in 1975?

What's True

Former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld said in his biography that in 1975 President Gerald Ford had tried to convince a number of senators to help refugees fleeing persecution and claimed Biden, along with other Democrats, “dissented.”

What's False

Biden did not vote against sending financial assistance to the South Vietnamese government toward the end of the Vietnam conflict, or block either the admittance of refugees to the U.S. or the distribution of funds to help them resettle -- in May 1975 he supported a bill allowing this to occur. His dissent regarding Ford's initiative was taken out of context by critics, as they did not include all of Biden's concerns. He had opposed an April 1975 aid package for South Vietnam because he argued those evacuation funds could be used as military aid and should be sent through multilateral channels. That April bill ultimately died in Congress.

But in May 1975 Biden voted in favor of a resolution “Expressing the sense of the Senate to welcome to the U.S. the latest refugees from South Vietnam and Cambodia.” In late May 1975, Biden was not present to vote for H.R. 6755, the “Indochina Migration and Refugee Assistance Act,” which is not the same as a “Nay” vote. But as a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, he approved the bill in order to release it to the floor for a final vote. He, along with the majority of the committee, did so with an amendment and a “favorable recommendation.”

Many in the Vietnamese American community still believe that Biden did not support refugee resettlement and in October 2020, ahead of the U.S. presidential election, in a bid to attract their support, Biden addressed this in an op-ed in a Vietnamese language newspaper:

[Bootes Void]

It's a simple but very unfortunate and highly immoral fact: Americans are generally xenophobic of other peoples. From the S.S. St. Louis to Vietnamese Refugees to today refugees from Afghanistan. Americans simply have always had been irrationally fearful of the "other" person.

Why were people supportive of Albanians? I assume it said hundreds right?

[Devout Centrist]

I'm originally from Sacramento, California. We have one of the largest Vietnamese populations per capita in the country. After the end of the Vietnam War, our community accepted thousands of Vietnamese, Hmong, and Laotians for refugee resettlement in the Greater Sacramento Area. This was not without its challenges, but overall, the Vietnamese community have made a fantastic addition to our city.

It is utterly astonishing to me that so many people on this hellsite are openly hateful towards refugees. These are people who have lost everything and want to live in this country. If they didn't want to live here, they wouldn't be clamoring over barbed wire to get on a plane to America!

There will be issues with refugee integration - they're always are. But the end result is more vibrant communities with more patriotic Americans and, uh, better food. Sounds like a good trade to me.

All this yammering about a living wage (which half of you dopes didn't support a year ago!), ending the pandemic, etc, is all misdirection. Deep down you think that Afghans are backward towelheads who are unable or unwilling to obtain enlightment. That's okay, but please just admit it instead of lying to my face!

[Benjamin Frank]

Because Republicans believe that 'everybody is going to die anyway' unless they can fearmonger over Muslims and Muslim terrorists allegedly coming to the United States when they believe that 'one death is too many.'

[Santander]

If simply being a woman makes you a refugee, the US would need to take in 20 million Afghanis and their families, which brings the total up to the entire population of Afghanistan. The only people who should be considered refugees are those specifically targeted because they are political dissidents, religious minorities, etc.

The fact of the matter is, the US and allies have completely failed for 20 years in building a credible alternative to the Taliban, and Afghan men were not prepared to fight for the rights of their sisters and daughters. They have to help themselves.

[Fuzzy Bear]

People are afraid that terrorists will enter the US disguised as refugees.  They don't trust Biden to properly vet these refugees, and given their willful nonfeasance of duty at our Southern Border, why should he be trusted.

Those fears from people are well-founded.  They aren't Xenophobia.  The phonies that would make their way here aren't just "different"; they're jihadists who hate us and would act on religious belief to hurt people and kill them right here in America.  This has already happened; 9/11 wouldn't have happened without poor vetting.  The American people have the right to be safe and it's the government's job to provide public safety.  Our present government has made it plain that politically demographic aims take precedence over public safety.

[Kamala's side hoe]

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/04/biden-second-chance/618586/

As I recently wrote, Biden has a relevant personal history. In April 1975, as a first-term senator, he was an outspoken opponent of using American money and risking Americans’ safety to rescue the tens of thousands of South Vietnamese who had bet their lives on American promises. “The United States has no obligation to evacuate one, or 100,001, South Vietnamese,” he said in a Senate speech. President Gerald Ford tried to sway Biden by reminding him of the American tradition of welcoming refugees from war and oppression, but Biden was unmoved. Vietnam was a lost cause, and Americans wanted to forget.

I'm just going to repost my reply to the last time your brought this up:

You can hide a lot of things in an elipsis. Here's the actual quote from the WSJ,

But in May 1975 Biden voted in favor of a resolution “Expressing the sense of the Senate to welcome to the U.S. the latest refugees from South Vietnam and Cambodia.” In late May 1975, Biden was not present to vote for H.R. 6755, the “Indochina Migration and Refugee Assistance Act,” which is not the same as a “Nay” vote. But as a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, he approved the bill in order to release it to the floor for a final vote. He, along with the majority of the committee, did so with an amendment and a “favorable recommendation.”

Many in the Vietnamese American community still believe that Biden did not support refugee resettlement and in October 2020, ahead of the U.S. presidential election, in a bid to attract their support, Biden addressed this in an op-ed in a Vietnamese language newspaper:

It's great that Biden eventually apologized for/clarified his 1975 statement, but we don't know how much (if any) impact that Oct 2020 op-ed had on how those Vietnamese refugees voted in November.

All I know is that the children of those refugees and more recent immigrants are more D than the 1975ers.

[MasterJedi]

It’s because conservatives don’t actually care about the refugees. They just want use them as a way to hit Biden and other liberals. Even though they helped us for two decades they’re still evil Muslim terrorists who they’d love to let die over there and get political gain out of it at the same time. That’s why the same people screaming about “letting out allies die” for the last few weeks are now furious we’re not letting that happen.