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« on: July 18, 2021, 01:14:20 PM »

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GOP lawmakers hold California protest after 3 cancellations.

RIVERSIDE, Calif. (AP) — Republican House Reps. Matt Gaetz and Marjorie Taylor Greene held a protest Saturday after a third venue in California canceled their event.

https://www.aol.com/news/3rd-venue-cancels-matt-gaetz-214027990-050435494.html
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« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2021, 01:15:07 PM »

Thank you California!
"Cancel" those Nutjobs.
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« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2021, 01:56:27 PM »

Cities have the right not to host events that pose a threat to the general public.
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« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2021, 03:20:50 PM »

Cities have the right not to host events that pose a threat to the general public.

""We respect free speech and we are capable of holding events,” Lyster said. “But it was the lack of advance notice for an event that would attract the attention at the level this one would that has raised issues for our city.”

Lyster also said city officials had "concerns about the nature of the event and that it does not reflect the city of Anaheim and the values we share.

The last bit of the city official's comment I doubt was vetted with the city attorney.
I also suspect that the turnout to the event would have been low, given the lack of "advance notice." Anyway, the attention whore don't have anything else to do these days "nutjobs" still got some attention. 
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« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2021, 03:28:12 PM »

Cities have the right not to host events that pose a threat to the general public.

""We respect free speech and we are capable of holding events,” Lyster said. “But it was the lack of advance notice for an event that would attract the attention at the level this one would that has raised issues for our city.”

Lyster also said city officials had "concerns about the nature of the event and that it does not reflect the city of Anaheim and the values we share.

The last bit of the city official's comment I doubt was vetted with the city attorney.
I also suspect that the turnout to the event would have been low, given the lack of "advance notice." Anyway, the attention whore don't have anything else to do these days "nutjobs" still got some attention. 




Yup here is what they said from the source.
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« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2021, 03:40:30 PM »

Cities have the right not to host events that pose a threat to the general public.

""We respect free speech and we are capable of holding events,” Lyster said. “But it was the lack of advance notice for an event that would attract the attention at the level this one would that has raised issues for our city.”

Lyster also said city officials had "concerns about the nature of the event and that it does not reflect the city of Anaheim and the values we share.

The last bit of the city official's comment I doubt was vetted with the city attorney.
I also suspect that the turnout to the event would have been low, given the lack of "advance notice." Anyway, the attention whore don't have anything else to do these days "nutjobs" still got some attention. 




Yup here is what they said from the source.

There is, of course, a difference between a city government "Calling out speech" that doesn't adhere to the viewpoints of its elected officials and those same officials doing their utmost to cancel a lawful, peaceful assembly.

Once upon a time, in a land called the USA, there was a First Amendment that protected the rights of citizens to freely speak and freely assemble in a peaceful manner.  If things went sideways, arrests for rioting and other criminal conduct could be made.  If people were slandered or libeled, one could sue in Court if they could prove damages.  That doesn't seem to be the case today.  Events weren't preempted just because someone "thought" there would be violence

Whatever you think of them, MTG and Matt Gaetz are American citizens, with no fewer Constitutional rights than anyone else.  They have the right to publicly speak, to peaceably assemble with others, and to not be pre-empted by localities simply because they oppose the politics of the speakers.  I would apply the same standard to any public assembly held by BLM; as much as I loathe BLM, I would not deny its members and supporters the right to PEACEABLY assemble.  MTG and Gaetz shouldn't have MORE rights than BLM, but they shouldn't have fewer.

As to Hammy's point:  Any local government could cancel any event just by saying it "poses a threat" if that were the standard.  It is NOT the standard; that is prior restraint.  By that standard, BLM should never be allowed to host another public event anywhere in America.  That's NOT the standard.  If you don't want to see MTG and Matt Gaetz, don't go.
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« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2021, 05:12:24 PM »

The Free Speech clause only has meaning if you, yes you, invoke it for those whom you disdain, even if you utterly despise their views. I also think our nation is less fragile than some others may think. We are robust enough to give the "nutters" some space. Most of us are not nutters, and that includes adherents of both sides of the political divide.
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« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2021, 05:22:30 PM »

As they have a right to do.

That being said, having a right to speech doesn’t mean you have a right to make others listen to your drivel.
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« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2021, 05:54:17 PM »

It's appropriate that Matt Gaetz is so gung-ho with the whole "Free Britney" movement because if I were to think of one song title that describes him, and Greene, it would be "Toxic."
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« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2021, 09:03:32 PM »

"On second thoughts, let's not go to California.  It is a silly place."


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« Reply #10 on: July 18, 2021, 09:20:41 PM »

LMAO.
That video is hilarious.
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« Reply #11 on: July 18, 2021, 09:35:01 PM »

As they have a right to do.

That being said, having a right to speech doesn’t mean you have a right to make others listen to your drivel.

True enough, but it DOES guarantee you access to the public square.  The right to free speech implies a means by which your speech can be heard.  That means, amongst other things, that governments cannot use prior restraint to preempt public meetings and rallies of groups they don't approve of when there is no evidence that the meeting is not being conducted for illegal purposes.
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« Reply #12 on: July 18, 2021, 10:10:51 PM »

As they have a right to do.

That being said, having a right to speech doesn’t mean you have a right to make others listen to your drivel.

True enough, but it DOES guarantee you access to the public square.  The right to free speech implies a means by which your speech can be heard.  That means, amongst other things, that governments cannot use prior restraint to preempt public meetings and rallies of groups they don't approve of when there is no evidence that the meeting is not being conducted for illegal purposes.

MTG and Matt Gaetz are well within their rights to march straight to the Anaheim Town Square and shout whatever they want.  The first amendment guarantees them that right.

The City of Anaheim is under no obligation to provide them venue space for an event, nor to devote city resources to logistically making that event happen.
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« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2021, 03:58:53 AM »
« Edited: July 19, 2021, 04:04:54 AM by "?" »

The backlash was very loud here in Riverside. They had moved it to the Downtown convention center, which is city-owned but contracts with a third-party organizer. The sudden booking led to a very vocal backlash with a couple of the Council members being particularly vocal about it.

Gaetz is threatening to sue the city over "free speech restrictions" and I believe "anti-free speech" comments by the current Mayor Pro Tem.

They ended up holding the speech at City Hall at a section typically reserved for free speech demonstrations (A free speech zone, if you will). The local paper pegged attendance at "more than 100" people with a couple counter protesters across the street. A far cry from the 4000 people at the 2017 Women's March, 4500 people at the 2018 March For Our Lives and 5000 people at last year's Floyd Protest. Hell, our most recent Council swearing-in may have had just as many folks attend.

A bit of a shame that despite the fast leftward trend city politics have taken and despite the loud pushback & cancelation, we still get the stigma of being the California city that hosted these two for even 10 minutes. Thanks Matt & Marjorie.
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