How can the Florida Democratic Party start winning statewide elections again?
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« on: July 15, 2021, 05:15:10 PM »

What is a winning strategy for the Florida Democratic party for the future?
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« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2021, 06:11:27 PM »

As long as Trump and DeSantis are down there they won't win
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« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2021, 06:18:09 PM »

Be competent, and hire decent people as leaders in their party
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« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2021, 06:30:02 PM »
« Edited: July 15, 2021, 06:34:28 PM by Storr »

As with Georgia, North Carolina, and Texas: minority turnout, minority turnout, and minority turnout.

note: I know Cuban Americans (particularly older generations) tend to vote Republican. But, they have voted for Democrats in significant numbers in the recent past (Obama's Florida wins come to mind).
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« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2021, 06:35:43 PM »

They need to take a page from Stacey Abrams' book and ramp up their voter registration efforts. From 2004 to 2008, as part of the Democrats' 50-state strategy, Democrats netted over 300000 voters in FL, and they won many races in 2006 & 2008 as a result. Then, throughout the 2010s Republicans have netted over 600000 voters of their own, which has meant that Republicans have won the majority of statewide races here after 2012. There appear to be many untapped Democratic voters among people of color, especially recent arrivals from Caribbean countries. This can help them claw back their losses here.
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« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2021, 08:09:45 PM »

Endorse nuking Havana.
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« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2021, 08:19:22 PM »

As with Georgia, North Carolina, and Texas: minority turnout, minority turnout, and minority turnout.

note: I know Cuban Americans (particularly older generations) tend to vote Republican. But, they have voted for Democrats in significant numbers in the recent past (Obama's Florida wins come to mind).

D's are gonna get the same map as in 2020, as Biden is at 51 not 60 percent Approvals

We have MI, WI and PA along with AZ and GA
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« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2021, 08:51:24 PM »

Fix what happened in Miami and consolidate and strengthen their gains in the I-4 corridor. 

I do think without Trump on the ballot the GOP isn't going to do as well.  He really brought out the right leaning dumb dumbs in 2020 and Florida has A LOT of right leaning dumb dumbs.
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« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2021, 10:53:19 PM »

Sack the entire party and bring in a new one.
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« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2021, 08:04:43 PM »

Really bring home the Miami-Dade voters and gain further in I-4.
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« Reply #10 on: July 18, 2021, 08:26:17 PM »

-fire everyone in the party organization and bring in new ones to see it
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« Reply #11 on: July 18, 2021, 09:39:32 PM »

-fire everyone in the party organization and bring in new ones to see it
They've done that at least 3 or 4 times — honestly, I think that's part of the problem. They seem to clear out the leadership team after every cycle where they whiffed on a statewide race. Some more time to get their bearings and figure out a long-term strategy might not be a bad idea.
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« Reply #12 on: July 18, 2021, 10:20:41 PM »

Millennial Retirees

That's probably what it will take.
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« Reply #13 on: July 18, 2021, 11:28:06 PM »

The D's have a better chance in FL in 2024/ due to fact Scott is up for reelection, not Rubio and DeSantis, with this Cuban crisis, the D's won't beat Rubio
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« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2021, 11:57:32 AM »

Millennial Retirees

That's probably what it will take.

We're not going to start seeing Millennial Retirees in large numbers until the 2040s. I would hope Democrats aren't locked out for that long.
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« Reply #15 on: July 19, 2021, 01:02:05 PM »

D's don't need FL to win the EC college
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« Reply #16 on: July 19, 2021, 08:23:13 PM »

Less Miami, more Jacksonville.
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« Reply #17 on: July 19, 2021, 08:29:39 PM »


I agree.  If they manage a comeback before Millennial retirees are a factor, they will have to do it by dramatically closing the R margin in North Florida.  The current FL-04 will probably have to be a Dem win and FL-01 will have to be meaningfully close.
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« Reply #18 on: July 19, 2021, 10:11:07 PM »

Another thing they've done before. It was maybe in 2014 when the party figured out they should be paying some attention to the largest city in the state — prior to them, it was a thoroughly north Florida operation focused on winning north Florida. The FDP of Alex Sink and Rod Smith was running an operation thoroughly focused on winning north Florida. That had some success: Sink carried Liberty and Franklin Counties (Trump by 60 and 37, respectively, in 2020), and came within a few points in Jackson (Trump by 39) and Union (Trump by 65).

And you will note that Sink still lost that election, because getting higher percentages out of not very many votes doesn't matter all that much.
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« Reply #19 on: July 19, 2021, 10:48:06 PM »

Demographically, Florida seems urban enough and diverse enough to be very winnable for Democrats. I'm not sure if most of the time an electorate like Florida's would vote Republican, Democrats have screwed up and obviously the first step to fixing that is getting more minority votes.
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« Reply #20 on: July 20, 2021, 10:46:39 AM »

Another thing they've done before. It was maybe in 2014 when the party figured out they should be paying some attention to the largest city in the state — prior to them, it was a thoroughly north Florida operation focused on winning north Florida. The FDP of Alex Sink and Rod Smith was running an operation thoroughly focused on winning north Florida. That had some success: Sink carried Liberty and Franklin Counties (Trump by 60 and 37, respectively, in 2020), and came within a few points in Jackson (Trump by 39) and Union (Trump by 65).

And you will note that Sink still lost that election, because getting higher percentages out of not very many votes doesn't matter all that much.

In the current polarized era, they will need to start winning those parts of North Florida at the presidential level for it to work.
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« Reply #21 on: July 20, 2021, 11:30:51 AM »
« Edited: July 20, 2021, 11:57:20 AM by Donerail »

Another thing they've done before. It was maybe in 2014 when the party figured out they should be paying some attention to the largest city in the state — prior to them, it was a thoroughly north Florida operation focused on winning north Florida. The FDP of Alex Sink and Rod Smith was running an operation thoroughly focused on winning north Florida. That had some success: Sink carried Liberty and Franklin Counties (Trump by 60 and 37, respectively, in 2020), and came within a few points in Jackson (Trump by 39) and Union (Trump by 65).

And you will note that Sink still lost that election, because getting higher percentages out of not very many votes doesn't matter all that much.

In the current polarized era, they will need to start winning those parts of North Florida at the presidential level for it to work.
Why on earth would that be the case? Obama didn't, and he won twice; Nelson and Gillum didn't in 2018, and they came essentially within the margin of error. Why should the FDP try to reverse decades of decline in North Florida — a strategy the party has tried and failed to do in the past — when they could achieve the same by a fraction of a percent increase in Dem turnout in other parts of the state?

And I'd be fascinated to hear how you propose to get rural Southern whites to start voting Democratic at a presidential level.
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« Reply #22 on: July 20, 2021, 11:38:19 AM »
« Edited: July 20, 2021, 11:41:27 AM by Mr. Kanye West »

There can be split voting in FL, SC, IA, OH in many of these Red states if Biden Approvals are in fact 58 or 60

We can get A Rubio, Crist split vote, we can get Renacci and Ryan split vote and we can get Grassley and Ras Smith split vote, States splits their votes all the time between Prez and Sen or Gov just like NC did in 2020 between Tillis and Cooper, and Trump keeps telling lies about the election

It's not totally out of the question

D's are gonna blast the airwaves against DeSantis to protect our H incumbents but Rubio being Cuban is running against an ultra liberal like Demings, where Crist is a moderate

The Election is 500 days as of today it's a 304 map but that can change again with Trump stolen Election theory
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« Reply #23 on: July 20, 2021, 12:45:11 PM »

A part of the plan is just surviving long enough by keeping current #s and wait for the FL GOP to screw up.
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« Reply #24 on: July 20, 2021, 12:53:20 PM »

Better Latino outreach.
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