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« on: July 12, 2021, 06:08:43 AM »

What would be the impact  if he was on a ticket to win the South?
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« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2021, 08:47:48 AM »

VP / Dem ticket = an epic Nixon landslide victory in '68

VP on the GOP side = Humphrey manages to pull off a very narrow win. 
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« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2021, 09:19:43 PM »

Considering his ego, the only time he likely would have accepted being the running mate would've been in 1964 with Goldwater, but I can't imagine Goldwater ever offering him the slot. For any even semiplausible scenario in which Wallace becomes VP, you'd need either him to not decide after losing his first gubernatorial race that he'd never again be outniggered yet still eventually become governor, have a different head of the Presidential ticket than real life, or both. A less racist Wallace might have been paired with with HHH or RFK in 1968 on the Democratic ticket.

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« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2021, 08:40:14 AM »

Considering his ego, the only time he likely would have accepted being the running mate would've been in 1964 with Goldwater, but I can't imagine Goldwater ever offering him the slot. For any even semiplausible scenario in which Wallace becomes VP, you'd need either him to not decide after losing his first gubernatorial race that he'd never again be outned yet still eventually become governor, have a different head of the Presidential ticket than real life, or both. A less racist Wallace might have been paired with with HHH or RFK in 1968 on the Democratic ticket.


Have him win the Governorship of Alabama early so he never does what he did.

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« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2021, 11:44:28 PM »

You're basically proposing a continuation of the standard New Dealer ticket balancing formula, which had become an impossibility by 1968 with the progression of civil rights. No one would be happy with the contradictions in the ticket and someone still would have walked away from the party. In the case that Wallace joined the Nixon ticket, the Republicans would risk overplaying their hand with the intentionally gradual Southern Strategy and losing ground elsewhere, although Nixon/Wallace might still barely win.
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« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2021, 09:37:49 AM »

You're basically proposing a continuation of the standard New Dealer ticket balancing formula, which had become an impossibility by 1968 with the progression of civil rights. No one would be happy with the contradictions in the ticket and someone still would have walked away from the party. In the case that Wallace joined the Nixon ticket, the Republicans would risk overplaying their hand with the intentionally gradual Southern Strategy and losing ground elsewhere, although Nixon/Wallace might still barely win.
It’s not like Agnew was a great pick.
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« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2021, 10:23:18 AM »
« Edited: August 02, 2021, 10:55:03 AM by Anaphoric-Statism »

It’s not like Agnew was a great pick.

He wasn't the segregation candidate like Wallace was (actually a proponent of moderate, non-violent desegregation, which fit the zeitgeist). Wallace was to the issue what Rick Santorum was to gay marriage in the 2000s, or I guess what Marjorie Taylor-Greene is to the conservative position literally every current event now: too much of a symbol for extremism. Agnew was broadly acceptable.
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« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2021, 05:51:11 AM »

It’s not like Agnew was a great pick.

He wasn't the segregation candidate like Wallace was (actually a proponent of moderate, non-violent desegregation, which fit the zeitgeist). Wallace was to the issue what Rick Santorum was to gay marriage in the 2000s, or I guess what Marjorie Taylor-Greene is to the conservative position literally every current event now: too much of a symbol for extremism. Agnew was broadly acceptable.
Kind of like Paul Ryan ?
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