NEA(largest teacher union) calls for nationwide teaching of CRT

[DrScholl]

Almost nobody wants this and there will be electoral consequences if the left decides to die on this hill.

Copying Trump's racism is not going to do Democrats any good. Yes, you are talking about one thing, but it's only part of the larger narrative by some "Democrats" that the Democratic Party should be more like Trump on issues of race and call out "the blacks" and "the Mexicans" and "the orientals" on stealing jobs from white men.

When did I or anyone else say that the Democrats should emulate Trump on the subject of race? All I said was that we shouldn't defend incoherent, pseudo-academic drivel when close to a supermajority of voters are opposed to it.

After Trump won there were a number of Democrats on here implying that the Democratic Party was too pro-minority and needed to be less so in order to win white working class voters. With that said a lack of education is what gives Republicans an edge. If there was better education on the subject of race then Republicans would not be able to peddle lies to win white voters. That is why they don't want better education.

[Kamala's side hoe]

Does anyone here feel shame for being white?

I realize this is bronz I’m responding to here, but no one in America should be made to feel ashamed of their race. If CRT is being taught in a way that makes white folks feel ashamed of being white the way black, Latino, Asian, indigenous, mixed-race, etc. folks have been made to feel ashamed of not being white… something’s gone horribly wrong.

That being said, “To the privileged, equality feels like oppression.” I don’t see how that’d be different with teaching of CRT in schools.

After Trump won there were a number of Democrats on here implying that the Democratic Party was too pro-minority and needed to be less so in order to win white working class voters. With that said a lack of education is what gives Republicans an edge. If there was better education on the subject of race then Republicans would not be able to peddle lies to win white voters. That is why they don't want better education.

There are legit arguments for not encouraging mass college attendance for today’s high schoolers) if there aren’t enough better-paying jobs out there for all those hypothetical college grads. But that’s different from what you’re describing here. 

[SWE]

This is sort of the inevitable result of conservatives calling the act of teaching any history at all "critical race theory." If that's what it's most associated with, of course teachers unions will support it

[lfromnj]

https://www.thefire.org/13-important-points-in-the-campus-k-12-critical-race-theory-debate/

Here's a fairly decent article. Some states like Idaho are targetting college classes. FIRE opposes certain colleges having mandatory diversity trainings with the desire for certain outcomes but overly regulating elective class speech is going far.

This isn’t the only part likely to cause anxiety for well-intentioned teachers. Many of the bills prohibit “making part of any course” that “any individual should feel discomfort, guilt, anguish, or any other form of psychological distress on account of his or her race or sex.” It is not hard to imagine a student feeling uncomfortable by learning true facts about historical racism, presented reasonably, coming home distraught and telling their parents. Under these bills, parents may argue that the teacher has done something unlawful. This is always an issue when speech restrictions focus on concepts characterized by a subjective reaction like discomfort or guilt, without making absolutely clear that the regulation is targeting behavior intended to create that response in students. Indeed, my book with Jon Haidt, “The Coddling of the American Mind,” emphasized the dangers of focusing on impact over intent.

I think it should be made clearer with the word should. Teaching about certain events may always cause guilt but the goal shouldn't be to cause guilt even if that is a side effect and bills should target clarify this a bit further.

Overall this article is fairly well written with a lot of nuance on all sides with good sourcing. It should also be a warning for the right when their. Ills do go too far .

[PSOL]

https://www.thefire.org/13-important-points-in-the-campus-k-12-critical-race-theory-debate/

Here's a fairly decent article. Some states like Idaho are targetting college classes. FIRE opposes certain colleges having mandatory diversity trainings with the desire for certain outcomes but overly regulating elective class speech is going far.

This isn’t the only part likely to cause anxiety for well-intentioned teachers. Many of the bills prohibit “making part of any course” that “any individual should feel discomfort, guilt, anguish, or any other form of psychological distress on account of his or her race or sex.” It is not hard to imagine a student feeling uncomfortable by learning true facts about historical racism, presented reasonably, coming home distraught and telling their parents. Under these bills, parents may argue that the teacher has done something unlawful. This is always an issue when speech restrictions focus on concepts characterized by a subjective reaction like discomfort or guilt, without making absolutely clear that the regulation is targeting behavior intended to create that response in students. Indeed, my book with Jon Haidt, “The Coddling of the American Mind,” emphasized the dangers of focusing on impact over intent.

I think it should be made clearer with the word should. Teaching about certain events may always cause guilt but the goal shouldn't be to cause guilt even if that is a side effect and bills should target clarify this a bit further.

Overall this article is fairly well written with a lot of nuance on all sides with good sourcing.

CRT does not teach people to be guilty of their ancestors behavior or being of European descent, so this law is both meaningless and certain to be abused by people feigning emotional harm in order to advance a political agenda.

[Ferguson97]

Based.

[Holy Unifying Centrist]

https://ra.nea.org/business-item/2021-nbi-039/


To Blarite

B. Provide an already-created, in-depth, study that critiques empire, white supremacy, anti-Blackness, anti-Indigeneity, racism, patriarchy, cisheteropatriarchy, capitalism, ableism, anthropocentrism, and other forms of power and oppression at the intersections of our society, and that we oppose attempts to ban critical race theory and/or The 1619 Project.

I think everyone here can agree White supremacy is bad, so the goal here would be to teach that. So why are they keeping capitalism in the same line?

That page, especially that paragraph, is one of the best things to show to drive people to vote Republican. This is absolutely insane indoctrination. They're trying to push a political agenda on kids. I didn't realize how serious this problem was

[Ancestral Republican]

https://ra.nea.org/business-item/2021-nbi-039/


To Blarite

B. Provide an already-created, in-depth, study that critiques empire, white supremacy, anti-Blackness, anti-Indigeneity, racism, patriarchy, cisheteropatriarchy, capitalism, ableism, anthropocentrism, and other forms of power and oppression at the intersections of our society, and that we oppose attempts to ban critical race theory and/or The 1619 Project.

I think everyone here can agree White supremacy is bad, so the goal here would be to teach that. So why are they keeping capitalism in the same line?

That page, especially that paragraph, is one of the best things to show to drive people to vote Republican. This is absolutely insane indoctrination. I didn't realize how serious this problem was

The evils of capitalism are just as dangerous as the evils of racism and of militarism.

Do you know who said that, DTC?

[Holy Unifying Centrist]

https://ra.nea.org/business-item/2021-nbi-039/


To Blarite

B. Provide an already-created, in-depth, study that critiques empire, white supremacy, anti-Blackness, anti-Indigeneity, racism, patriarchy, cisheteropatriarchy, capitalism, ableism, anthropocentrism, and other forms of power and oppression at the intersections of our society, and that we oppose attempts to ban critical race theory and/or The 1619 Project.

I think everyone here can agree White supremacy is bad, so the goal here would be to teach that. So why are they keeping capitalism in the same line?

That page, especially that paragraph, is one of the best things to show to drive people to vote Republican. This is absolutely insane indoctrination. I didn't realize how serious this problem was

The evils of capitalism are just as dangerous as the evils of racism and of militarism.

Do you know who said that, DTC?

MLK had a lot of moronic ideas

[Damocles]

Imagine thinking that simply acknowledging institutional racism exists in the United States somehow diminishes your personal accomplishments, or that acknowledging that you may have benefited from that system is somehow a personal moral indictment against you.

Spoiler alert, it doesn't. Some of us have gotten a hand up, while others have continually been slapped in the face. At the end of the day, racial issues are bigger than black and white. It stems from the sealing-off of one part of society from another, and the interposition of ludicrous narratives entirely divorced from reality.

Not every Black person is a criminal. Not every White person holds racist views. Not every Latino person is an illegal immigrant. Not every Asian person supports the Chinese government. Not every Indian person is addicted to drugs. Not every Mulatto person was born out of wedlock.

One of my most transformative experiences was moving to the Seattle area, and attending a racially integrated high school. I was perplexed, confused, and a bit scared to admit that I had a crush on a Black girl. It was a new experience. I didn't know how to handle it. I didn't understand it at the time. I now understand that I used to be a closed-minded, prejudiced person when I still lived in my all-White hometown. I was sixteen at the time.

But it did open my eyes and I understood, I was a relatively privileged kid. Our family came out here for better economic opportunities, both of my parents were married, my home life was relatively stable (even if it was an emotionally abusive one), and we weren't financially desperate. Some people, however, don't have those things I took for granted, and that can be partially explained by institutional racism.

[Interlocutor is just not there yet]

lol it's so funny how little it takes to prompt a moral panic on this site. Atlas' descent into a fox news comment section with maps had been a sight to behold

Or how much Atlas claims to be "above the fray" by not wasting time with red meat or culture war clickbait, then go stark raving mad whenever someone posts a thread about The Squad, trans people, CRT or something getting "canceled".

Another day and the Fox Newsization of Atlas continues.

Christ, the state of this board.

[If my soul was made of stone]

https://ra.nea.org/business-item/2021-nbi-039/


To Blarite

B. Provide an already-created, in-depth, study that critiques empire, white supremacy, anti-Blackness, anti-Indigeneity, racism, patriarchy, cisheteropatriarchy, capitalism, ableism, anthropocentrism, and other forms of power and oppression at the intersections of our society, and that we oppose attempts to ban critical race theory and/or The 1619 Project.

I think everyone here can agree White supremacy is bad, so the goal here would be to teach that. So why are they keeping capitalism in the same line?

That page, especially that paragraph, is one of the best things to show to drive people to vote Republican. This is absolutely insane indoctrination. I didn't realize how serious this problem was

The evils of capitalism are just as dangerous as the evils of racism and of militarism.

Do you know who said that, DTC?

MLK had a lot of moronic ideas

I can at least take being this blunt over the Turning Point USA-type "quote MLK out of context and pretend that he was a conservative" disingenuity.

[YE]

Hot take: this doesn’t matter anywhere as much as people think on either side of this new “CRT issue”.

[Torie]

This whole CRT discussion, here, there and everywhere, has been an utter fail for me, because next to no one defines just what CRT is, and out of the CRT "tool box" just what should or should not be taught, and at what age level, and by what method, and how often.

What we have is just a hot button politically laden "trigger" term that people react to, and that is that.

One thing I do know, however, I think. I would time being spent on CRT than on "teaching" me that I am a homo cis male.

That is all.

[Holy Unifying Centrist]

https://ra.nea.org/business-item/2021-nbi-039/


To Blarite

B. Provide an already-created, in-depth, study that critiques empire, white supremacy, anti-Blackness, anti-Indigeneity, racism, patriarchy, cisheteropatriarchy, capitalism, ableism, anthropocentrism, and other forms of power and oppression at the intersections of our society, and that we oppose attempts to ban critical race theory and/or The 1619 Project.

I think everyone here can agree White supremacy is bad, so the goal here would be to teach that. So why are they keeping capitalism in the same line?

That page, especially that paragraph, is one of the best things to show to drive people to vote Republican. This is absolutely insane indoctrination. I didn't realize how serious this problem was

The evils of capitalism are just as dangerous as the evils of racism and of militarism.

Do you know who said that, DTC?

MLK had a lot of moronic ideas

I can at least take being this blunt over the Turning Point USA-type "quote MLK out of context and pretend that he was a conservative" disingenuity.

MLK's civil rights activism being good does not mean his socialist ideas were good. Lots of great leaders have had dumb ideas. I like Thomas Jefferson but some of his views were incredibly repugnant. No one person is a deity whose words are all true

[HAnnA MArin County]

CRT is the right's new Cancel Culture. They'll be over their outrage as soon as the propagandists at Faux Noise find a new caravan story to crow about. I mean, are any of the MAGAtards still whining about Dr. Seuss?

[Ancestral Republican]

https://ra.nea.org/business-item/2021-nbi-039/


To Blarite

B. Provide an already-created, in-depth, study that critiques empire, white supremacy, anti-Blackness, anti-Indigeneity, racism, patriarchy, cisheteropatriarchy, capitalism, ableism, anthropocentrism, and other forms of power and oppression at the intersections of our society, and that we oppose attempts to ban critical race theory and/or The 1619 Project.

I think everyone here can agree White supremacy is bad, so the goal here would be to teach that. So why are they keeping capitalism in the same line?

That page, especially that paragraph, is one of the best things to show to drive people to vote Republican. This is absolutely insane indoctrination. I didn't realize how serious this problem was

The evils of capitalism are just as dangerous as the evils of racism and of militarism.

Do you know who said that, DTC?

MLK had a lot of moronic ideas

I can at least take being this blunt over the Turning Point USA-type "quote MLK out of context and pretend that he was a conservative" disingenuity.

MLK's civil rights activism being good does not mean his socialist ideas were good. Lots of great leaders have had dumb ideas. I like Thomas Jefferson but some of his views were incredibly repugnant. No one person is a deity whose words are all true

We all know you dislike his civil rights activism too, you just can't say it out loud.

Besides, true civil rights are impossible without economic reform, and our failed system of unfettered capitalism is probably fifty times as broken as it was in 1967.

[HagridOfTheDeep]

Honestly, one of the biggest long-term consequences of Hillary’s loss in 2016, and Trump’s win, is basically this conversation here—that a huge segment of leftists are now on board with the proposition that critical perspectives around racism shouldn’t be part of the situation because they can’t win elections. It’s basically an example of the left ceding ground on a very important issue to right-wingers because we’re okay with them holding the conversation hostage. I guess it’s a privilege that some people have, to hold this position.

Critical race theory, as I understand it, holds that systematic oppression, based on race, has happened in the past. It holds that this oppression is engrained in our systems, which means they endure today whether we are aware of them or not, and that they colour our ways of thinking/operating. It holds that the consequences of oppression in the past have generational consequences that echo into the present. It holds that we need to try to understand this oppression so we can root it out. It recognizes that people are forced to face hidden disadvantages because of their race. They are not innate in the individual, which would be a ludicrous proposition, but they are presented by our social context.

How are any of these ideas arguable? How can somebody say this stuff is bad to teach? The only way to get a society ready for the real, hard work of anti-racism is to teach it. There are people who come on here and say “if you make the claim that your argument is self-evident, you’re intellectually lazy.” But you know what? I’m done with it. The argument is self-evident and there are a group of people who want to deny reality because it is either uncomfortable or unhelpful when it comes to winning elections. I’d say the laziness falls on those sides of things, not this one. Because you can’t tell me that a third-generation Indian Residential School survivor isn’t going to face significant disadvantages compared to the descendants of the wealthy white landowners who profited from weakening Indigenous societies with a straight face. You can’t. Attempting to recognize and right those stories is what critical race theory is, and I’m totally supportive.

[Holy Unifying Centrist]

We all know you dislike his civil rights activism too, you just can't say it out loud.

Besides, true civil rights are impossible without economic reform, and our failed system of unfettered capitalism is probably fifty times as broken as it was in 1967.

When have I ever hidden my true words? I say exactly what I mean without reservation.

[lfromnj]

This whole CRT discussion, here, there and everywhere, has been an utter fail for me, because next to no one defines just what CRT is, and out of the CRT "tool box" just what should or should not be taught, and at what age level, and by what method, and how often.

What we have is just a hot button politically laden "trigger" term that people react to, and that is that.

One thing I do know, however, I think. I would time being spent on CRT that on "teaching" me that I am a homo cis male.

That is all.

In general it was an obscure racial theory a few decades ago  with some ideas based on principles about inequity in our society. After this some snippets and parts of it have been placed in DiAngelo/Kendi/similar books in a very weird way. Now these books are going through DEI sessions all across the nation especially after George Floyd, and it has some really creepy teachings such as the myth of Yakub from the nation of Islam. It can either be harmful towards white children by making them self hating or teach black children that all white people are out to get them and they can't succeed. Either way there may be a narrow argument to teach CRT as a small part of a high level English Class in 11th/12th grade  but to use CRT to develop curriculum and teaching strategies for young children will be incredibly harmful.  I don't even think its really necessary to teach it in 11th/12th but its just something that I am fine with including with discretion up to to the school/teacher.

In a summary the CRT being referred to recently is mostly the woke Diversity sessions being borne out of the Floyd protests that have taken over the liberal cultural elite who are now trying to apply it to the entire nation. Actual pure CRT from a few decades ago is actually a bit similar to Marxist critical analysis except replacing class with race. The right has been fighting against this although at times they have gone too far.

[HisGrace]

This is a matter of teaching racism at schools. Nothing more, nothing less.

Horse****. People say this over and over again and it's 100% false to the point where I can't believe that anyone honestly thinks this anymore and it's just a blatant attempt to trojan horse awful ideas into classrooms. I learned about racism in school (slavery, Jim Crow, the Civil Rights movement) before CRT was ever a thing so that's obviously not an adequate definition.

Just keep pushing this crap. The farther out of the mainstream you get the greater the conservative backlash is going to be. Don’t you lefties see that you can never implement your economic policy goals as long as the public just views you as anti-white anti-American radicals? Nobody wants to racialize  everything like this. It’s disgusting.

 Why is teaching the truth "crap for lefties"? Why does acknowledging racial facts of American history so offensive to you? Are you a special snowflake?

Good to know you think that opposition to integration and legal equality (both things included in CRT) are "the truth". Although I'm confused about how CRT can be "the truth" when CRT teaches that there's no such thing as truth and it's just a white male construct.

That’s a horrible argument. Not everything that happened that’s important can be taught. What the left seems to want is to focus solely on the bad racial things to the exclusion of nearly everything else. Students already learn much more about the daily lives of black people in the history of the south than they do about say, Midwestern farmers, despite the fact that Midwestern farmers were a much larger part of the American experience. It’s good that things like the Tulsa massacre are getting more attention but the attempt to view everything in history through the lens of race is the problem.

This is un-PC but it's true. No, I didn't learn about the Tulsa race massacre in school but I did learn that black people were lynched on a large scale in the Jim Crow era. That's good enough, you don't need a play by play of every single race massacre in a basic high school history class. You've got kids graduating who can't even tell you how their own government works on a basic level but they spent all this class time on endless racism anecdotes.

Almost nobody wants this and there will be electoral consequences if the left decides to die on this hill.

Copying Trump's racism is not going to do Democrats any good. Yes, you are talking about one thing, but it's only part of the larger narrative by some "Democrats" that the Democratic Party should be more like Trump on issues of race and call out "the blacks" and "the Mexicans" and "the orientals" on stealing jobs from white men.

When did I or anyone else say that the Democrats should emulate Trump on the subject of race? All I said was that we shouldn't defend incoherent, pseudo-academic drivel when close to a supermajority of voters are opposed to it.

How is CRT “pseudo-academic?”

Yeah, it seems a stretch to call CRT academic at all considering it's based mostly around emotion driven arguments with little empirical backing.

[beaver2.0]

This is a matter of teaching racism at schools. Nothing more, nothing less.

Horse****. People say this over and over again and it's 100% false to the point where I can't believe that anyone honestly thinks this anymore and it's just a blatant attempt to trojan horse awful ideas into classrooms. I learned about racism in school (slavery, Jim Crow, the Civil Rights movement) before CRT was ever a thing so that's obviously not an adequate definition.

This is essentially my view.  I'm fine with learning about the tough aspects of American history.  We can't have the good without the bad, and I'm fine with saying that we still have some work to do.  

However, we've all seen viral videos of people in diversity training saying white people are barely human or that punctuality and seeing things through to completion are examples of white supremacy.  One of the issues in my mind is that there is no clear demarcation of these two things and so while people might approve of some of these things, it's hard to tell exactly where it ends.

I don't doubt that the average teacher does not even support the latter examples, but again, part of the concern is that there is no clean demarcation.

[If my soul was made of stone]

You've got kids graduating who can't even tell you how their own government works on a basic level but they spent all this class time on endless racism anecdotes.

Matters of civics were covered quite extensively at my high school, probably more than a lot of issues of racial animus. Like so many people on Twitter or Tumblr or whatever who complain about "never learning about this in high school", it's as much a matter of what people choose to remember as what the school district chooses to teach in many cases. That doesn't mean that re-examing our curricula is without merit, however.

[Ancestral Republican]

I have regularly noted that you bring one of the least educated perspectives to this site. Your characterization of this issue, which is similar to others in this thread, could not make it more obvious that you have never and will never actually make a good faith effort to understand what's in the material.

You, Bismarck, Rfayette, DTC. Your misguided opinion sounds a lot like the "death panels" argument or something like that. Just invented out of whole cloth and designed to inflame your deep insecurities about systemic failures in American society.

[lfromnj]

Yeah, it seems a stretch to call CRT academic at all considering it's based mostly around emotion driven arguments with little empirical backing.

I mean CRT is about as Academic as Marxist critical analysis. Take that as you will. The issue is that the teachings from these are being applied to student lessons around the nation and teaching how to think  including in very young children.