If the American Revolution also included ending slavery, racial equality, equality of women
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« on: June 28, 2021, 07:29:40 PM »
« edited: June 28, 2021, 08:02:18 PM by Blue3 »

Let's say the American Revolution also explicitly included advocating for the end of slavery, equality of men and women, and racial equality (no segregating), with voting rights for all adults.

Unlikely, but that is what if.

Let's say some colonies/states in the Deep South still fought for independence, but were just allied with the Northeastern/Midatlantic colonies/states and it was clear to all that they never intended to form a union with them.

The Revolution ends the same way, granting independence, but the outcome is a federation from New England to the Mason-Dixon line, and then the other southern colonies are each their own independent state.

So there's
-(let's call it the) Northern Federation
-independent state of Maryland
-independent state of Virginia
-independent state of North Caroline
-independent state of South Carolina
-independent state of Georgia


And after waging a war and sacrificing unity with those ideals, they become a proud part of the Northern Federation's culture and political identity. Their federation is also more unified than the Confederation of the early US in our timeline, but perhaps not as centralized and doesn't get a revised Constitution, but does have a bill of rights and the equality of the races and sexes, and prohibition of slavery, enshrined in it.

Let's also say that industrialization also starts in the Northern Federation (after the UK), like in our timeline.



So, if this is the case, how do the 19th and 20th centuries unfold?



Do the independent Southern States still attempt a "War of 1812" style declaration of war against the British again, but with the Northern Federation staying out of it, leading to the British reconquering the Southern states and abolishing slavery there when the rest of the British empire did?

Does the Northern Federation stay pretty much neutral and content in its area, maybe just spreading out to the Great Lakes... or does its idealism make manifest destiny even stronger - out west, and maybe north into Canada, and maybe trying to conquer its southern neighbors?

With an industrialized Northern Federation and its more economically and technologically backwards southern neighbors, could they petition to peacefully join the Northern Federation voluntarily and adopt its stances on ending slavery/racism/sexism in order to share in their economic prosperity, perhaps around 1900?

How about the rippling effects for the rest of the world, from the UK/Canada, to Mexico and Latin America, to Europe, to the time of the world wars (if they still happen) and the butting heads of colonial empires, and more?

How would it go?
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« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2021, 08:55:37 PM »

First off, there's zero chance they'd have gone for women's rights except possibly in individual colonies, and even then they'd be limited to property rights for unmarried adult females, which wouldn't have required a revolution to implement.

The American Revolution was not about a new birth of liberty. The rebels were fighting for what they perceived as their existing liberties that were threatened by the actions of Parliament. Changing the philosophical basis of the revolt from a conservative basis to a liberal one has major implications.

It is marginally plausible that the political ferment of 1770s colonial New England would've led to the inclusion of anti-slavery as a principal issue of the nascent revolution, but in that case, the revolution wouldn't have been able to spread below the Mason-Dixon line, much less beyond New England, and it likely would've been crushed. (New York had a higher proportion of slaves than did Delaware at the time of the Revolution.)

Last but not least, it would be plausible that butterflies created by the inclusion of racial equality into the ethos of the revolution leads to Nova Scotia (which at that time included New Brunswick and Prince Edward Island, as well as maybe eastern Maine depending upon where the boundary between Nova Scotia and Massachusetts was placed) joining the New England Revolution. Indeed, for it to have any chance of success, it joining the revolution probably would've been needed.

You'd need some extremely strong points of departure well before the Revolution for it have both embraced racial equality and the southern colonies.
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« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2021, 09:12:27 PM »

on the other hand, the image of a colonial woman singing I Am Woman, Hear Me Roar and then getting crushed like an ant - thanks OP. LOL!
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