More than 1 million nonbinary adults live in the US, study finds

[John Dule]

Is there really such a thing as a gender binary? I'm not convinced. What makes a person male or female?

Their chromosomes and genatalia.

[John Dule]

Is there really such a thing as a gender binary? I'm not convinced. What makes a person male or female?

Their chromosomes and genatalia.

As a wise woman once said, speak for yourself, motherf[inks]er.

It cannot possibly be fun to engage in ripostes when you know that your opponent has his hands tied behind his back.

[John Dule]

Is there really such a thing as a gender binary? I'm not convinced. What makes a person male or female?

Their chromosomes and genatalia.

No, he said gender.

I did, but still no one has answered. Obviously Dule's misgendering is uncouth, but all of this seems to be relative. Does playing with dolls make one effeminate? Does wanting to pursue a career in the military make one masculine?

We were starting to break those barriers in the past but I think the left has little interest in that anymore. The funny thing is that when I was growing up there was a big, and I'd argue positive, cultural push in society to recognize that being tomboy or sissy (purely for lack of a less rude word) had no bearing on the legitimacy of one's gender. This was reflected in a lot of the children's programming too. I remember there were little commercials on the Disney Channel when I was in elementary school where they'd profile boys that enjoyed volleyball or dancing and girls that liked reptiles or football. This always stuck out to me as a kid because I was never sporty or outdoorsy and was made to feel bad about it back then because boys weren't "supposed" to be the way I was. Now I feel like this wouldn't be encouraged, because it seems to go against the extremely rigid gender roles that are getting pushed these days.

Maybe getting a bit off the point of the thread, but I've brought up several times on here that I've yet to hear an example of a "brain sex" that isn't stereotypical and obviously socially constructed (i.e, playing with dolls or wanting to wear a dress). No one's ever corrected me and given better examples. Maybe someone could suggest more substantive things like women being more emotional or men having more spatial awareness, but even then I'm a bit dubious because there's not much actual evidence suggesting a biological cause for stuff like that. Not to mention that it flies in the face of everything feminists were saying just a couple years ago and you'd have been called a bigot for suggesting it. It causes problems in their rhetoric even now. Like, why are we calling men "toxic" for being unemotional if they're born that way? Wouldn't that be bigotry if it were the case?

Adults certainly have the right to get a sex or name change if they want to. The left's dialogue on this should really revolve around that instead of this incoherent ideology they appear to be making up as they go along.

It's amazing how the gender theory crew leans so willingly into lazy stereotypes. Male TV characters who like cooking are referred to as "queercoded." Little boys who show interest in clothes are suspected to be gay years before they even hit puberty. Assertive, physically strong women are told that they fall somewhere closer to men on the "gender spectrum" and are called "butch." Trans people claim to "challenge gender roles" while nonetheless trying to physically conform to the generic template of either male or female. We will soon reach a point at which deviations from gender roles are once again frowned upon by the left, because they will have so embraced these stereotypes in a desperate attempt to affirm themselves.

[John Dule]

I do think it's likely that there are some people who a legitimately non-binary; i.e. they feel genuine gender dysphoria over identifying with either gender.

But I also get the impression that a significant number of people who now identify as nonbinary don't actually experience any dysphoria in the medical sense.

Rather, they are mostly just embracing an aesthetic that has become popular within a certain Gen-Z niche.  Somewhat like the kids who identified as "goths" back when I was in high school.

The debate over "transmedicalism" (believing that dysphoria is required to identify as transgender) is ancient and ugly, and best avoided. While it's possible for some cases, it's generally not considerate to jump to the assumption that people choose to identify as trans, and thus incur all of the associated risks, merely as an aesthetic statement.

But isn’t the medical basis for gender dysphoria the primary reason why identifying as transgender is seen as legitimate while identifying as transracial is not?

Diagnosable gender dysphoria is also the basis for the trans activist arguments for insurance companies covering reassignment surgery, and for requiring prisons to pay for surgery for trans inmates. Without any objective or diagnosable medical criteria, it is essentially no different from cosmetic surgery.

[John Dule]

I do think it's likely that there are some people who are legitimately non-binary; i.e. they feel genuine gender dysphoria over identifying with either gender.

But I also get the impression that a significant number of people who now identify as nonbinary don't actually experience any dysphoria in the medical sense.

Rather, they are mostly just embracing an aesthetic that has become popular within a certain Gen-Z niche.  Somewhat like the kids who identified as "goths" back when I was in high school.

1. That take takes me back to high school when folks coming out were scoffed as millennials just "going through a phase" or "following a fad", not unlike wearing skinny jeans. The more things change

2. What a murderers row that is the list of recommendations. Only folks missing are OP & DaleCooper.

Why are you always so obsessed with who recommends posts?

A lot of red avatars try to invalidate arguments by pointing out that bad people liked it. The social media obsession probably plays a big part too.

Don't worry, his opinion is now invalid because I recommended his post.

[John Dule]

Gender is an empty concept, correct, and it is nonsense. If everyone understood gender as it actually existed, it would not exist.

If you're ever wondering why so many people-- conservatives, moderates, and liberals alike-- find gender theory so irritating, it is because of comments like this. What you're saying here ignores the thousands of trans people who claim that their gender identity is innate, that it has been with them since birth, and that it is a fundamental part of themselves that cannot be changed. In turn, these claims fly in the face of the "genderfluid" people, who claim that for them, gender is a fundamental part of themselves but it can also change from day to day. On and on it goes. The entire vocabulary surrounding this subject is just utter nonsense; it was invented by bitter Tumblr teenagers and tenured """academics""" who have crafted a linguistic minefield for themselves that they use to shield their ideas from criticism. I have said it before and I'll say it again: Until gender theory adherents can agree upon rigidly defined terms and criteria with which to describe their beliefs, they will be impossible to communicate with, and trying to reason with them will be fruitless.

I give Christians a lot of guff, but at least they put some effort into creating a consistent vocabulary for their unsubstantiated beliefs in fuzzy intangibles.

[John Dule]

Until someone can even give a semi-coherent definition on what “non-binary” means, I’ll remain convinced it’s more or less just a way for people to make themselves sound more different and oppressed.

It means someone does not identify as male or female.

But I thought gender was a social construct. And since our society hasn't constructed gender roles for any genders aside from male and female, a "nonbinary" person has no alternative genders available to them to identify as.

[John Dule]

Until someone can even give a semi-coherent definition on what “non-binary” means, I’ll remain convinced it’s more or less just a way for people to make themselves sound more different and oppressed.

It means someone does not identify as male or female.

But I thought gender was a social construct. And since our society hasn't constructed gender roles for any genders aside from male and female, a "nonbinary" person has no alternative genders available to them to identify as.

You're not making any sense.

Read it over a few times; I have faith in your reading comprehension skills.

[John Dule]

Until someone can even give a semi-coherent definition on what “non-binary” means, I’ll remain convinced it’s more or less just a way for people to make themselves sound more different and oppressed.

It means someone does not identify as male or female.

But I thought gender was a social construct. And since our society hasn't constructed gender roles for any genders aside from male and female, a "nonbinary" person has no alternative genders available to them to identify as.

You're not making any sense.

Some people just cling to their perceived right to be close-minded, hateful sophists.

The only word I take issue with here is "perceived."