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Alben Barkley
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« on: June 23, 2021, 06:54:29 AM »

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2021/06/22/first-population-estimate-lgbtq-non-binary-adults-us-is-out-heres-why-that-matters/

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The U.S. Census doesnít ask about gender identity. Until now, no population estimate of nonbinary LGBTQ adults in the United States existed.
There are about 1.2 million nonbinary LGBTQ adults in the United States, according to the first broad-based population estimate of this kind, which was released Tuesday. Thatís just less than the population of Dallas, Texas.

The Williams Institute, a research center focused on sexual orientation and gender identity law and public policy, conducted the study. Its data offers a portrait of a slice of the LGBTQ community that has long been ignored.

The data reveals a growing group, largely composed of young people, that mirrors the mental health struggles experienced by the wider LGBTQ community. At a time when measures that could broaden protections for gender minorities such as nonbinary people face uncertain political fates, researchers hope this estimate can show nonbinary people are a significant subgroup of the LGBTQ population.

How did we go from nobody having heard of non-binary to 1.2 million so rapidly, exactly?
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« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2021, 06:57:52 AM »
« Edited: June 23, 2021, 07:11:55 AM by Liberal Hack »

People aren't changing how they live their lives however probably identifying under some nebulous queer indenity or just generarly passing as cis in public. When they hear about a term that refers to their idenity better they switch to identifying as it.

A decade ago you'd acting suprised that so many people identify as LGBT now compared to the past.
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« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2021, 07:07:13 AM »

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2021/06/22/first-population-estimate-lgbtq-non-binary-adults-us-is-out-heres-why-that-matters/

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The U.S. Census doesnít ask about gender identity. Until now, no population estimate of nonbinary LGBTQ adults in the United States existed.
There are about 1.2 million nonbinary LGBTQ adults in the United States, according to the first broad-based population estimate of this kind, which was released Tuesday. Thatís just less than the population of Dallas, Texas.

The Williams Institute, a research center focused on sexual orientation and gender identity law and public policy, conducted the study. Its data offers a portrait of a slice of the LGBTQ community that has long been ignored.

The data reveals a growing group, largely composed of young people, that mirrors the mental health struggles experienced by the wider LGBTQ community. At a time when measures that could broaden protections for gender minorities such as nonbinary people face uncertain political fates, researchers hope this estimate can show nonbinary people are a significant subgroup of the LGBTQ population.

How did we go from nobody having heard of non-binary to 1.2 million so rapidly, exactly?

How did we go from nobody being gay to millions? Why are autism diagnoses increasing? A more open and accepting society allows people to explore themselves and be open about their experiences.
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« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2021, 07:11:56 AM »

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2021/06/22/first-population-estimate-lgbtq-non-binary-adults-us-is-out-heres-why-that-matters/

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The U.S. Census doesnít ask about gender identity. Until now, no population estimate of nonbinary LGBTQ adults in the United States existed.
There are about 1.2 million nonbinary LGBTQ adults in the United States, according to the first broad-based population estimate of this kind, which was released Tuesday. Thatís just less than the population of Dallas, Texas.

The Williams Institute, a research center focused on sexual orientation and gender identity law and public policy, conducted the study. Its data offers a portrait of a slice of the LGBTQ community that has long been ignored.

The data reveals a growing group, largely composed of young people, that mirrors the mental health struggles experienced by the wider LGBTQ community. At a time when measures that could broaden protections for gender minorities such as nonbinary people face uncertain political fates, researchers hope this estimate can show nonbinary people are a significant subgroup of the LGBTQ population.

How did we go from nobody having heard of non-binary to 1.2 million so rapidly, exactly?

How did we get to around 12% left handedness once we stopped tieing hands behind people's backs at school? The mind boggles.

Where did all the gays come from? Fifty years ago there were hardly any about. What sorcery is this?
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« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2021, 08:24:31 AM »

This is going to be a pleasant and intellectually rigorous thread Smiley
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« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2021, 08:36:39 AM »

Is there really such a thing as a gender binary? I'm not convinced. What makes a person male or female?
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« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2021, 08:50:17 AM »

Thereís also 328 million people in total.
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« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2021, 09:04:56 AM »

Given the US adult population seems to be 209 million, that would amount to roughly 0.5% of the US population, which is a bit too much on the high side I think.  Though 0.5% of the US adult population is not exactly unbelievable either, just a bit higher than I expected.

Either way I guess it is an interesting datapoint.
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« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2021, 09:47:13 AM »

Youíre getting closer and closer to the right-wing moral panic over gay people.
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« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2021, 10:10:16 AM »

50% of everyone I have kissed is non-binary. Where did all of us cis people come from is what I want to know.
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« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2021, 10:44:03 AM »

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2021/06/22/first-population-estimate-lgbtq-non-binary-adults-us-is-out-heres-why-that-matters/

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The U.S. Census doesnít ask about gender identity. Until now, no population estimate of nonbinary LGBTQ adults in the United States existed.
There are about 1.2 million nonbinary LGBTQ adults in the United States, according to the first broad-based population estimate of this kind, which was released Tuesday. Thatís just less than the population of Dallas, Texas.

The Williams Institute, a research center focused on sexual orientation and gender identity law and public policy, conducted the study. Its data offers a portrait of a slice of the LGBTQ community that has long been ignored.

The data reveals a growing group, largely composed of young people, that mirrors the mental health struggles experienced by the wider LGBTQ community. At a time when measures that could broaden protections for gender minorities such as nonbinary people face uncertain political fates, researchers hope this estimate can show nonbinary people are a significant subgroup of the LGBTQ population.

How did we go from nobody having heard of non-binary to 1.2 million so rapidly, exactly?

While not common, genderqueer/non-binary was a thing back when I was in college in the 00s. To say that nobody had ever even heard of it is is retconning history.
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« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2021, 10:48:02 AM »

To put this in perspective, 1.2 million people is about 0.3% of the population, which is actually about what I would have expected.
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« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2021, 10:51:56 AM »

Whatís wrong with this?
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« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2021, 10:53:23 AM »

This is the most liberal estimate, it's definately alot less than this
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« Reply #14 on: June 23, 2021, 10:53:50 AM »


Something something white wokesters giving ammo to Republicans.
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« Reply #15 on: June 23, 2021, 10:56:13 AM »

I'm assuming that Alben's reason for sharing this is his assumption that it'll hurt the Democrats in 2022, by virtue of all matters of societal permissiveness being a bridge too far for simple close-minded working people who need to be culturally coddled.

I myself am non-binary, and I don't appreciate this treatment of my people.
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« Reply #16 on: June 23, 2021, 11:29:12 AM »

Something I noticed is that it appears it's way more common for AFAB (that's assigned female at birth for those unaware) XX chromosomed individuals to identify as trans or non-binary, or not straight than it is for AMAB XY individuals to.

What's the deal with that?
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« Reply #17 on: June 23, 2021, 11:38:56 AM »

Something I noticed is that it appears it's way more common for AFAB (that's assigned female at birth for those unaware) XX chromosomed individuals to identify as trans or non-binary, or not straight than it is for AMAB XY individuals to.

What's the deal with that?

If you only listen to mainstream anti-trans rhetoric, you'd hardly believe that trans men exist; right-wing transphobes only care about masculinity being abandoned, and TERFs only care about femininity being "appropriated" by those not born into it. Various studies have shown different relative prevalences of AFAB and AMAB GNC folk, but the former are definitely becoming more prominent after decades of the latter receiving far more attention.
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« Reply #18 on: June 23, 2021, 11:53:58 AM »

I'll be honest, I don't understand what "non-binary" is. I understand what being "trans" is - but non-binary is confusing and perplexing to me.

I mean no offense. Just being honest.
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« Reply #19 on: June 23, 2021, 11:54:48 AM »

I would be curious what percentage of non-binary identifying people are actually medically transitioning.
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« Reply #20 on: June 23, 2021, 11:56:01 AM »

I'll be honest, I don't understand what "non-binary" is. I understand what being "trans" is - but non-binary is confusing and perplexing to me.

I mean no offense. Just being honest.

Non-binary is a gender identity neither male nor female - meaning it doesn't fit into the typical "binary" understanding of gender. 
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« Reply #21 on: June 23, 2021, 12:05:45 PM »

I'll be honest, I don't understand what "non-binary" is. I understand what being "trans" is - but non-binary is confusing and perplexing to me.

I mean no offense. Just being honest.

If it helps, bisexuality is a 'non-binary' sexuality.
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« Reply #22 on: June 23, 2021, 12:44:26 PM »

I like how everyone is reading way too much into this when I just asked a simple question LOL. Chill. There was no ulterior motive. I just saw the article and thought this sounded high, even taking into account that itís a small percentage of the population.

But assuming the estimate is correct or close, regarding my question: I think ďpeople are more acceptingĒ is certainly one hypothesis that could explain it. But I donít think comparisons to gay people are perfect. There have clearly always been people who are gay and identify/behave as such. Sexuality is relatively straightforward compared to gender identity, and even trans identity is relatively straightforward compared to non-binary. The entire concept is a relatively new and nebulous one. It wasnít that everyone always knew that there were non-binary people and oppressed them. It seems more like that basically nobody ďidentifiedĒ as non-binary at all, and suddenly a bunch have decided they are. It seems almost undeniable to me that social trends are a large part of that; unlike sexual orientation, I am not convinced that itís something fixed and innate, but much more fluid and based on cultural views of gender roles. Hell, I thought that was the point?

I donít particularly care and no, I am not worried about this hurting Dems in 2022. But I will say that I do find it curious how many biological women in my experience are identifying as non-binary lately, changing absolutely nothing about themselves. Itís more like ďOh Iím a tomboy who hates pink, must not really be a woman but donít feel like a man either.Ē In those cases itís not clear to me how much thought really went into adopting the label, and how much was more just following the trends or believing that any deviation from some strange Platonic ideal of how a gender is ďsupposedĒ to be meaning you are literally not that gender. I find that bizarre because by such a strict standard, EVERYONE would be ďnon-binary.Ē
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« Reply #23 on: June 23, 2021, 01:11:55 PM »

Imagine thinking that it's a bad thing that a million Americans no longer live in fear of being able to live as their true selves.
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« Reply #24 on: June 23, 2021, 01:21:01 PM »

Is there really such a thing as a gender binary? I'm not convinced. What makes a person male or female?

Their chromosomes and genatalia.
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