On deregistration

[Dr. MB]

If you deregister because you lost an election you’re a loser and a coward. Not only that but you’ll inevitably want to come back in a couple weeks or months anyway. I’ll introduce a bill in the new Senate to ban reregistration for at least six months if you choose to deregister. Live with the consequences of your own actions.

[wxtransit]

I'd be open to a bill outright banning deregistering and just having people fall off the rolls, though I would like to hear some public comments on the matter first.

[Attorney General, Senator-Elect, & Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

I would encourage the senate to pass a bill banning de-registration entirely, aside from falling off the rolls. 95%+ of people who deregister either come back almost immediately once their 2  weeks is up, or stay away so long that they would just fall off the rolls anyways. The practice serves no clear constituency, except random ragequitters who get mad because the game doesn't deliver a comfortable win for x person or party.

If there is a special case from time to time where someone simply MUST deregister due to extenuating life circumstances where they need to be offline and where merely being listed on the census would encourage them to be active, the solution is for the mods to mute that person.

[SevenEleven]

Just another instance of the President-elect being right on the money.

I'd rather eliminate deregistration entirely than to enable people to rage-quit with impunity. Pretty much everyone I've seen deregister has returned after not too long of a time period.

[Mad Deadly Worldwide Communist Gangster Computer God]

As someone who's de-registered or tried to de-register multiple times because I was under emotional stress, I would say keep the status quo or ban deregistration.

And if people are against the latter because of PMs: if you can delete the 50 spam emails you get every day from your favorite porn site, you can delete a few PMs every election.

[windjammer]

If you deregister because you lost an election you’re a loser and a coward. Not only that but you’ll inevitably want to come back in a couple weeks or months anyway. I’ll introduce a bill in the new Senate to ban reregistration for at least six months if you choose to deregister. Live with the consequences of your own actions.

Yes I agree with that. People who do this kind of thing should have a forced cool down period , as they are causing so much stress to the game and to themselves

[KoopaDaQuick 🇵🇸]

Let people deregister, I see no reason to force someone on the voter rolls against their will. A ban would be utterly pointless because deregistering does no harm to the game, the drama queens who rage quit because they lost an election are going to be drama queens, a dereg ban wouldn't solve that, it would just simply move their whining from the New Register Thread to its own dedicated thread.

And regarding the "What's wrong with just deleting campaign PMs?" point, I don't get why we should still go out of our way to inconvenience people with messages about a game they want nothing to do with. It's all just a hassle that could simply be solved by one post in the registration thread followed by two clicks on Peebs' mouse.

[windjammer]

Let people deregister, I see no reason to force someone on the voter rolls against their will. A ban would be utterly pointless because deregistering does no harm to the game, the drama queens who rage quit because they lost an election are going to be drama queens, a dereg ban wouldn't solve that, it would just simply move their whining from the New Register Thread to its own dedicated thread.

And regarding the "What's wrong with just deleting campaign PMs?" point, I don't get why we should still go out of our way to inconvenience people with messages about a game they want nothing to do with. It's all just a hassle that could simply be solved by one post in the registration thread followed by two clicks on Peebs' mouse.

Let them deregister and not come back for 6 months!

[Deep Dixieland Senator, Muad'dib (OSR MSR)]

...if you can delete the 50 spam emails you get every day from your favorite porn site, you can delete a few PMs every election.

[KoopaDaQuick 🇵🇸]

Let people deregister, I see no reason to force someone on the voter rolls against their will. A ban would be utterly pointless because deregistering does no harm to the game, the drama queens who rage quit because they lost an election are going to be drama queens, a dereg ban wouldn't solve that, it would just simply move their whining from the New Register Thread to its own dedicated thread.

And regarding the "What's wrong with just deleting campaign PMs?" point, I don't get why we should still go out of our way to inconvenience people with messages about a game they want nothing to do with. It's all just a hassle that could simply be solved by one post in the registration thread followed by two clicks on Peebs' mouse.

Let them deregister and not come back for 6 months!

I'm perfectly content with an extension of the current rereg cooldown. In fact, I actively support it as it allows the people who actually want to deregister forever or for an extended period of time to do that while keeping the drama queens from doing their Shakespearean exits before popping up two weeks later.

[YE]

Oh now you people want to re-lengthen cooldowns.

I agree with MB philosophically but 6 months is way too much.

[YE]

I would encourage the senate to pass a bill banning de-registration entirely, aside from falling off the rolls. 95%+ of people who deregister either come back almost immediately once their 2  weeks is up, or stay away so long that they would just fall off the rolls anyways. The practice serves no clear constituency, except random ragequitters who get mad because the game doesn't deliver a comfortable win for x person or party.

If there is a special case from time to time where someone simply MUST deregister due to extenuating life circumstances where they need to be offline and where merely being listed on the census would encourage them to be active, the solution is for the mods to mute that person.

Mutes are not intended as a substitute to stop posting, as such moderators repeatedly deny such requests to begin with.

[Pericles]

Let people deregister, I see no reason to force someone on the voter rolls against their will. A ban would be utterly pointless because deregistering does no harm to the game, the drama queens who rage quit because they lost an election are going to be drama queens, a dereg ban wouldn't solve that, it would just simply move their whining from the New Register Thread to its own dedicated thread.

And regarding the "What's wrong with just deleting campaign PMs?" point, I don't get why we should still go out of our way to inconvenience people with messages about a game they want nothing to do with. It's all just a hassle that could simply be solved by one post in the registration thread followed by two clicks on Peebs' mouse.

I agree with this, I'm not convinced that deregistration does any actual harm that creates a NEED to change the law. Let people do what they want.

[Sirius_]

I would like to make it clear, since I knew this would happen, that I did NOT rage quit. I had already lost interest in this game beforehand and I made the decision before I knew the results, and I have no intention of re-registering. And frankly why would I when people here are such jackasses about it? Who actually gives a damn about being a loser and a coward in a fake election game? Good riddance to you people.

[Holy Unifying Centrist]

Let people deregister, I see no reason to force someone on the voter rolls against their will. A ban would be utterly pointless because deregistering does no harm to the game, the drama queens who rage quit because they lost an election are going to be drama queens, a dereg ban wouldn't solve that, it would just simply move their whining from the New Register Thread to its own dedicated thread.

And regarding the "What's wrong with just deleting campaign PMs?" point, I don't get why we should still go out of our way to inconvenience people with messages about a game they want nothing to do with. It's all just a hassle that could simply be solved by one post in the registration thread followed by two clicks on Peebs' mouse.

I agree with this, I'm not convinced that deregistration does any actual harm that creates a NEED to change the law. Let people do what they want.

I also agree with this. We don't need any more unnecessary regulations.

[P. Clodius Pulcher did nothing wrong]

De-registration should not be allowed, I agree with the others who have said that. It's extra complications for no reason and people should just be allowed to fall off the voter rolls eventually.

And for future reference, some of us are trying to play a game over here, so if you or someone you know is planning to quit playing, then please don't make commitments to your fellow players like running for a major office!

[Holy Unifying Centrist]

De-registration should not be allowed, I agree with the others who have said that. It's extra complications for no reason and people should just be allowed to fall off the voter rolls eventually.

And for future reference, some of us are trying to play a game over here, so if you or someone you know is planning to quit playing, then please don't make commitments to your fellow players like running for a major office!

Not wanting to get spam PM's is reason enough to allow deregistering. It's better to have voter rolls full of people who want to vote than to have voter rolls with people who don't want to vote. It's also nice to keep track of who is actually active in the game.

Plus, why add unnecessary regulations just for the hell of it? This really isn't that big of a problem, so why make changes that could create more problems?

[wxtransit]

I would like to make it clear, since I knew this would happen, that I did NOT rage quit. I had already lost interest in this game beforehand and I made the decision before I knew the results, and I have no intention of re-registering. And frankly why would I when people here are such jackasses about it? Who actually gives a damn about being a loser and a coward in a fake election game? Good riddance to you people.

For the record, I believe this argument was entirely unrelated to your deregistering, since it started with a discussion on the discord.

[Attorney General, Senator-Elect, & Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

I would like to make it clear, since I knew this would happen, that I did NOT rage quit. I had already lost interest in this game beforehand and I made the decision before I knew the results, and I have no intention of re-registering. And frankly why would I when people here are such jackasses about it? Who actually gives a damn about being a loser and a coward in a fake election game? Good riddance to you people.

And for future reference, some of us are trying to play a game over here, so if you or someone you know is planning to quit playing, then please don't make commitments to your fellow players like running for a major office!

Enough said.

[GM Team Member and Senator WB]

Since the election is over I’ll just come out and say that Ninja said to me that he was going to deregister, EVEN IF HE WON. He’s tired of the game. By the time he came to the decision it was too late to find a replacement on the ticket.

[Lumine]

Deregistering from the game should be a right for every citizen, period.

Keeping people on the voter rolls against their will - particularly when they're going to be utterly bombarded on election weekends - is both unethical and impractical in a game as opposed to RL.

Having said that, it should also be a serious decision with serious consequences, so while I do find the opening statement in poor taste, I strongly second the idea that if one deregisters, one shouldn't be able to return in several months, and such a reform would be a step in the right direction.

As an addendum, and having deregistered before out of stress, I would strongly encourage people from refraining from such snap judgements, or the equivalent of dancing on other people's graves. The environment of the last two elections and their aftermath has been unpleasant enough as it is.

[P. Clodius Pulcher did nothing wrong]

Yes we should definitely have it be 4 or 8 months or something before we let them return. It should be a heavy decision

[Blair]

Haven’t the court previously ruled that you have a right to de-register?

[Attorney General, Senator-Elect, & Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

Haven’t the court previously ruled that you have a right to de-register?

Several years ago, yes, though who knows if the same ruling would be reached under the new constitution.

We can just make it a constitutional amendment though, or make the waiting period to re-register so long (8 months? 10 months? 1 year?) such that deregistration is only used if you actually NEVER intend to return.

[wxtransit]

Deregistering from the game should be a right for every citizen, period.

Keeping people on the voter rolls against their will - particularly when they're going to be utterly bombarded on election weekends - is both unethical and impractical in a game as opposed to RL.

Having said that, it should also be a serious decision with serious consequences, so while I do find the opening statement in poor taste, I strongly second the idea that if one deregisters, one shouldn't be able to return in several months, and such a reform would be a step in the right direction.

As an addendum, and having deregistered before out of stress, I would strongly encourage people from refraining from such snap judgements, or the equivalent of dancing on other people's graves. The environment of the last two elections and their aftermath has been unpleasant enough as it is.

Every point of this statement I agree with, your argument has convinced me of the necessary nature of deregistration. I do, however, also agree that greater consequences should be put in place for it.