Catholic bishops this week will discuss if Biden qualifies for Communion.

[Badger]

Any religious person who would deny someone else a part in their religion is not actually religious.

     This is a severe misunderstanding of the Catholic position. They are not excluding Biden, but calling him to repent for his own good. Unfortunately Americans have an entirely alien dialectic concerning communion, so the Catholic rationale is lost on the people.

I call b*******. This action threatened by the Bishops is 100% stick and 0% carrot. Let's not play games in pretending otherwise

[Chunk Yogurt for President!]

the early Church's position on abortion.

Universal opposition.

[7,052,770]

the early Church's position on abortion.

Universal opposition.

Nothing was universal back then.

[Chunk Yogurt for President!]

the early Church's position on abortion.

Universal opposition.

Nothing was universal back then.

Find one example of Christians supporting abortion before the 20th century.

[7,052,770]

the early Church's position on abortion.

Universal opposition.

Nothing was universal back then.

Find one example of Christians supporting abortion before the 20th century.

LOL, I'm no historian, but it's glaringly obvious that you're laying it on way too thick with your "universal opposition" assertion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Christian_thought_on_abortion

[Person Man]

the early Church's position on abortion.

Universal opposition.

Nothing was universal back then.

Find one example of Christians supporting abortion before the 20th century.

LOL, I'm no historian, but it's glaringly obvious that you're laying it on way too thick with your "universal opposition" assertion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Christian_thought_on_abortion

Or they could have universal opposition but it vary in degrees. Obviously not everyone thought about it the same way. Regardless of the nuances, many more people are now going to think the central tenet of the Church is about abortion.

[Donald Wilders]

I am not Catholic but if it is the case that Catholicism teaches that abortion = the killing of babies and given that Joe thinks Americans should be allowed to commit abortions, it follows that Catholic authorities will want to punish him for that powerful crime. Is it not that simple?

[Born to Slay. Forced to Work.]

If they really try and deny Biden communion after the pope told they to knock it off I hope he disinvests them. The Catholic Church in America could use some cleaning out and new blood

[Chunk Yogurt for President!]

the early Church's position on abortion.

Universal opposition.

Nothing was universal back then.

Find one example of Christians supporting abortion before the 20th century.

LOL, I'm no historian, but it's glaringly obvious that you're laying it on way too thick with your "universal opposition" assertion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Christian_thought_on_abortion

They all viewed it as sinful.

[Person Man]

the early Church's position on abortion.

Universal opposition.

Nothing was universal back then.

Find one example of Christians supporting abortion before the 20th century.

LOL, I'm no historian, but it's glaringly obvious that you're laying it on way too thick with your "universal opposition" assertion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Christian_thought_on_abortion

They all viewed it as sinful.

but not murder to a point.

[Alben Barkley]

the early Church's position on abortion.

Universal opposition.

Nothing was universal back then.

Find one example of Christians supporting abortion before the 20th century.

LOL, I'm no historian, but it's glaringly obvious that you're laying it on way too thick with your "universal opposition" assertion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Christian_thought_on_abortion

They all viewed it as sinful.

but not murder to a point.

Also never forget that Southern Baptists used to be OK with abortion until they realized it would be a politically expedient issue to rally around at about the same time as the "Reagan Revolution:"

https://billmoyers.com/2014/07/17/when-southern-baptists-were-pro-choice/

That's a big part of why the most devout Southern Baptist president in history, Jimmy Carter, was voted out by white evangelicals in the South in favor of a divorced irreligious B-movie star from California.

[Alben Barkley]

The deed is done:

Catholic Bishops Vote To Ban Biden From Receiving Communion Over His Support For Abortion Rights

LOL these headlines are so misleading. Really doesn't help the media's credibility when they keep running these sensationalist headlines for clicks that just aren't borne out by the facts.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

the early Church's position on abortion.

Universal opposition.

Nothing was universal back then.

Find one example of Christians supporting abortion before the 20th century.

LOL, I'm no historian, but it's glaringly obvious that you're laying it on way too thick with your "universal opposition" assertion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Christian_thought_on_abortion

They all viewed it as sinful.

but not murder to a point.

Also never forget that Southern Baptists used to be OK with abortion until they realized it would be a politically expedient issue to rally around at about the same time as the "Reagan Revolution:"

https://billmoyers.com/2014/07/17/when-southern-baptists-were-pro-choice/

That's a big part of why the most devout Southern Baptist president in history, Jimmy Carter, was voted out by white evangelicals in the South in favor of a divorced irreligious B-movie star from California.

I mean the last three Democratic presidential nominees are three of the most openly Christian presidential nominees in history, meanwhile the Republicans haven't even nominated a Christian since 2008.

[It’s so Joever]

God shakes his head sadly at these corrupt man-made institutions which claim to have a monopoly on faith. Do you really think worshipping a sinful human organization is what the Bible asks us to do?
At this rate though, god is probably unhappy with nearly all modern churches.

[Frodo]

Pope Francis hasn’t said a word about this.

[Chunk Yogurt for President!]

the early Church's position on abortion.

Universal opposition.

Nothing was universal back then.

Find one example of Christians supporting abortion before the 20th century.

LOL, I'm no historian, but it's glaringly obvious that you're laying it on way too thick with your "universal opposition" assertion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Christian_thought_on_abortion

They all viewed it as sinful.

but not murder to a point.

Also never forget that Southern Baptists used to be OK with abortion until they realized it would be a politically expedient issue to rally around at about the same time as the "Reagan Revolution:"

https://billmoyers.com/2014/07/17/when-southern-baptists-were-pro-choice/

That's a big part of why the most devout Southern Baptist president in history, Jimmy Carter, was voted out by white evangelicals in the South in favor of a divorced irreligious B-movie star from California.

Some Southern Baptists were okay with abortion.  The SBC had a lot more liberals back then than they do now.  It wasn't a fully Evangelical denomination until the 1980s (there was a conservative resurgence in the late 70s, and about that time the denomination became solidly pro-life).

Southern Baptists are not the only Evangelicals in America.  Let's take a look at a resolution from the Orthodox Presbyterian Church of Georgia two years before Roe v. Wade:

https://www.opc.org/GA/abortion.html/

1. That the general assembly adopt the following resolution: Unborn children are living creatures in the image of God, given by God as a blessing to their parents. Between conception and birth they are the objects of God's particular providence and care as they are being prepared by God for the responsibilities and privileges of postnatal life. Scripture obligates us to treat unborn children as human persons in all decisions and actions involving them. They should not, therefore, be destroyed by voluntary abortion in the absence of valid medical grounds demonstrating the necessity of such abortion to save the mother's life.

2. That presbyteries, sessions and congregations be encouraged by the assembly to carry on further study of these matters, so that Christians may be better instructed concerning the Scriptural principles involved, and so that they might be motivated to take appropriate action relative to pending civil legislation or other pertinent situations in their communities.

3. That the stated clerk be instructed to prepare this report or a summary of this report in an acceptable pamphlet format, and that this publication be commended to Christians as a guide to their study and action, and for distribution by them to government officials and others.

I could go on further, but this is a thread about Catholics, not Evangelicals.

[Andrew]

I am not Catholic but if it is the case that Catholicism teaches that abortion = the killing of babies and given that Joe thinks Americans should be allowed to commit abortions, it follows that Catholic authorities will want to punish him for that powerful crime. Is it not that simple?

The “powerful crime” of believing that the teachings of the Catholic church should not be the basis of United States law?

[Person Man]

the early Church's position on abortion.

Universal opposition.

Nothing was universal back then.

Find one example of Christians supporting abortion before the 20th century.

LOL, I'm no historian, but it's glaringly obvious that you're laying it on way too thick with your "universal opposition" assertion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Christian_thought_on_abortion

They all viewed it as sinful.

but not murder to a point.

Also never forget that Southern Baptists used to be OK with abortion until they realized it would be a politically expedient issue to rally around at about the same time as the "Reagan Revolution:"

https://billmoyers.com/2014/07/17/when-southern-baptists-were-pro-choice/

That's a big part of why the most devout Southern Baptist president in history, Jimmy Carter, was voted out by white evangelicals in the South in favor of a divorced irreligious B-movie star from California.

Some Southern Baptists were okay with abortion.  The SBC had a lot more liberals back then than they do now.  It wasn't a fully Evangelical denomination until the 1980s (there was a conservative resurgence in the late 70s, and about that time the denomination became solidly pro-life).

Southern Baptists are not the only Evangelicals in America.  Let's take a look at a resolution from the Orthodox Presbyterian Church of Georgia two years before Roe v. Wade:

https://www.opc.org/GA/abortion.html/

1. That the general assembly adopt the following resolution: Unborn children are living creatures in the image of God, given by God as a blessing to their parents. Between conception and birth they are the objects of God's particular providence and care as they are being prepared by God for the responsibilities and privileges of postnatal life. Scripture obligates us to treat unborn children as human persons in all decisions and actions involving them. They should not, therefore, be destroyed by voluntary abortion in the absence of valid medical grounds demonstrating the necessity of such abortion to save the mother's life.

2. That presbyteries, sessions and congregations be encouraged by the assembly to carry on further study of these matters, so that Christians may be better instructed concerning the Scriptural principles involved, and so that they might be motivated to take appropriate action relative to pending civil legislation or other pertinent situations in their communities.

3. That the stated clerk be instructed to prepare this report or a summary of this report in an acceptable pamphlet format, and that this publication be commended to Christians as a guide to their study and action, and for distribution by them to government officials and others.

I could go on further, but this is a thread about Catholics, not Evangelicals.

“Some” is not “All”. I think the point is that whether or not abortion is a sin or some heinous and cruel thing doesn’t mean that it’s somehow worse or should be the only sin that matters. For the longest time, the only major consensus was that abortion is bad. It used to be seen, both by secular and ecclesiastical authorities, in some extreme situations as the same as murder but much more often as something like marijuana, DUI, or Domestic Violence. A crime in bad taste that especially offended the sensibilities of the community but was ultimately something that made you an annoying instead of a violent, untrustworthy, or antisocial  person. Especially if you hadn’t been a problem in the past. The entire point of denying communion to liberal Catholics is that abortion is so bad that it is at  least temporarily the primary concern of the Church when there are so many other misdeeds that are actively being engaged in by the authorities instead of simply tolerated.

Maybe it’s because 90% of everyone thinks that abortion is a negative outcome rather than half of everyone thinking that the death penalty, gratuitous law enforcement tactics, or a motivational level of unnecessary poverty, or offensive warfare is good.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

USCCB gen sec Burrill resigns after sexual misconduct allegations

Monsignor Jeffrey Burrill, former general secretary of the U.S. bishops’ conference, announced his resignation Tuesday, after The Pillar found evidence the priest engaged in serial sexual misconduct, while he held a critical oversight role in the Catholic Church’s response to the recent spate of sexual abuse and misconduct scandals.

Use of location-based hookup apps is inconsistent with clerical obligations to continence and chastity, according to Fr. Thomas Berg, a professor of moral theology at St. Joseph’s Seminary in Yonkers, New York.

Berg told The Pillar that “according to canon law and the Church’s tradition, clerics are obliged to observe ‘perfect and perpetual continence,’ as a reflection of what should be our lived pursuit of our spousal relationship with the Church and with Christ.”

Calling it “obviously a scandal” that a cleric would use location-based hookup apps, Berg said there is “a real disconnect between the appearance of a man who presumably is earnestly striving to live the life of chastity, when it becomes glaringly evident that he is dramatically failing at that because he’s gone to hookup apps to look actively for sexual partners — that itself is an enormous scandal.”