How effective was the nickname "Sleepy Joe Biden"?
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« on: June 08, 2021, 09:06:23 AM »

I feel like that nickname alone had more impact than "Crooked Hillary" because it made people think of Joe as this senile figure who was incompetent.
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« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2021, 09:20:03 AM »

Not at all.
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« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2021, 10:06:27 AM »

Not effective. Crooked Hillary worked better to fearmonger; nobody is afraid of "Sleepy Joe".
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« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2021, 12:14:02 PM »

Not effective. Crooked Hillary worked better to fearmonger; nobody is afraid of "Sleepy Joe".


In fact I think it may have helped Biden a little lol cause after 4 years of non stop controversy , a president who sleeps a lot may be more appealing lol .
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« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2021, 01:45:25 PM »
« Edited: June 08, 2021, 03:44:31 PM by brucejoel99 »

Effective enough to result in a better nickname for him being "Teflon Joe," so not at all. 2016 just saw more of an underlying springboard - the "vast right-wing conspiracy" that'd effectively vilified Hillary for nearly 25 years beforehand - from which Hillary could be effectively attacked. The same could've never carried over to 2020 because the American people had already come to know Joe: he was everybody's goofy-but-lovable Uncle Joe, against whom obviously false insinuations just aren't, weren't, & were never gonna be believable. And in addition to actually helping Biden out by lowering expectations, Trump's trying & failing to use such a familiar strategy just made him look tired, desperate, & weak.

Also, leave the forum for a year, OP.
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« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2021, 03:04:18 PM »

It was an awful nickname because it just lowered standards and Biden’s average debate performance made him seem like he did amazing.

People believed Hillary was crooked. People didn’t believe Joe was sleepy.
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« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2021, 01:34:01 PM »

As well as being more effective, crooked Hillary came after years of hearing about her controversies, and matched her unpopularity. Sleepy Joe preceded that and just sounded like a primary school nickname.
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« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2021, 03:38:42 PM »

Considering it was the same name used for Joe Donnelly, I'd say ineffective. You can't recycle the same name like that so tactlessly for the same results.

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« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2021, 06:18:00 PM »

It might have been more effective if 2020 had been a normal year in terms of campaigning (without any special health precautions to be concerned about). Biden is the kind of person whose favorability ratings increase if his public exposure is decreased, but increased public exposure also increased the likelihood of him making the gaffes he's been prone to making.
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« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2021, 07:10:07 PM »

Of all the things that may have harmed Biden that we underestimated, this was not one of them. if anything the nickname reflects worse on Trump. He lost to Sleepy Joe! Hahaha!
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« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2021, 11:21:23 PM »

About as effective as your commitment to your promise to leave the forum for a year, aka not at all
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« Reply #11 on: June 10, 2021, 09:13:51 AM »

I think it was effective in the sense that it made people think Joe Biden was sleepy (I think it's fair to say he is sometimes sleepy). But compared to being crooked, it's not much of a disqualifying character flaw.
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« Reply #12 on: June 10, 2021, 02:53:07 PM »

Obviously not effective enough--after all, Biden won.
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« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2021, 12:51:50 AM »

Who is President? How effective do you bloody well think it was?
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« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2021, 07:31:40 PM »

It was effective in making Biden seem like a sleepy old man who doesn't know what he's talking about sometimes.
But that didn't affect him enough to win the election.
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« Reply #15 on: June 15, 2021, 09:41:27 PM »

Lyin' Ted and Crooked Hillary worked because dishonesty is one of the most politically-damaging characteristics a politician could have.

Being a little boring isn't the same.
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« Reply #16 on: June 15, 2021, 11:19:20 PM »

Lyin' Ted and Crooked Hillary worked because dishonesty is one of the most politically-damaging characteristics a politician could have.

Being a little boring isn't the same.
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« Reply #17 on: June 16, 2021, 02:10:28 PM »

Lyin' Ted and Crooked Hillary worked because dishonesty is one of the most politically-damaging characteristics a politician could have.

Being a little boring isn't the same.
Exactly

1. I would also add that once you are labled as dishonest, there is nothing you can do.  You are considered dishonest for life. Being "sleepy" or "tired" or "weak" can be changed if you have a lively debate performance. Which Biden did.

2. Also, most voters like to see themeselves and their families as honest. Hence the dishonesty insult being so damaging. But almost everyone has a grandparent who is weaker and more tired than their younger days. It'll happen to everyone, its hard to hold that against Biden.
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« Reply #18 on: June 16, 2021, 05:07:10 PM »

In terms of flipping votes it has about the same impact as "Drumpf".
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« Reply #19 on: June 16, 2021, 06:51:08 PM »

I feel like that nickname alone had more impact than "Crooked Hillary" because it made people think of Joe as this senile figure who was incompetent.

If this nickname damaged Biden, how much do you think he would have won by without it? Would he have carried North Carolina? Florida?
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« Reply #20 on: June 16, 2021, 10:51:16 PM »

Not effective as Biden won.
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