What percentage of the U.S population would you estimate are Christian Conservatives?
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« on: May 30, 2021, 01:28:14 PM »

It's hard to know for sure (considering that "Catholic" can include anyone from Conservative Catholics to Lapsed/Cafeteria Catholics), and many self-identified Evangelicals don't go to church and use the label as a cultural signifier.

Being someone who was raised by Evangelical Christians (who themselves were raised by my four Conservative Catholic grandparents), I'm curious what percentage of Americans are actually like that.

Here's my idea for criteria, as I feel it reflects my observations growing up with Evangelicals and Conservative Catholics pretty well:

* Believes a literal interpretation of the Bible (Creationism, etc.)

* Attends church weekly

* Listens to Christian Radio (stuff like Air1, Focus On The Family, or EWTN)

* Opposes LGBT rights (even if they tolerate the gay people they do know)

* Pro Life

* Would send their children to a Christian school or University if they had the means to do so.

* Believes the United States is a "Christian Nation" and that the laws should be decided by the Bible if the Bible and will of the people are in conflict.

* Votes Republican

* Laments that Christians who have liberal views on LGBT issues or Evolution aren't "Real Christians"

Looking at politics, it may seem that 50% of Americans are like this since those of us who are raised by Conservative Christians are told the Democrats are all "Baby Killers".

Looking at culture, it may seem that 0% of Americans are like this since most pop culture takes a socially liberal view of things.

So to get an answer once and for all, what's the share of the U.S population who are self described "Real Christians" in the vein of conservative Catholics like Phyllis Schlafly, active churchgoing conservative Evangelicals like James Dobson, etc?
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« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2021, 01:37:22 PM »

Conservative ‘Catholic’
Believes in biblical literalism and rejects evolution

And they call us cafeteria
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« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2021, 01:40:59 PM »

Evolution is a historical fact we are primates and dwarfism triggered the human race from the primate family, black and brown skin don't burn in the heat and whiter skin does because we evolved from Africa and Asia and the Vikings evolved in the Arctic and Dinosaurs were destroyed by a meteorite that triggered the Ice ages that developed man

That's we have dwarfism and little people and Africans were the original Jews and Hebrews were the original Cave people they didn't have caves in Africa
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« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2021, 01:46:07 PM »
« Edited: May 30, 2021, 01:53:48 PM by pppolitics »

Do these people have to actually live their daily lives according to Christian values such as 'love thy neighbour' regardless of race/ethnicity, religion, and sexual orientation?

...or do they just have to give lip service?
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« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2021, 01:50:27 PM »

Do these people have to actually live their daily lives according to Christian values such as 'love thy neighbour' regardless of race/ethnicity?

...or do they just have to give lip service?

The kinds who value legalistic enforcement of rules over loving others.
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« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2021, 02:04:32 PM »

Do these people have to actually live their daily lives according to Christian values such as 'love thy neighbour' regardless of race/ethnicity?

...or do they just have to give lip service?

The kinds who value legalistic enforcement of rules over loving others.

...so you mean the hypocrites who called themselves Christians
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« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2021, 02:18:17 PM »

I would say around 10-17% of the population, as most of them are over 55. The number is higher, but if you would consider Evangelicals who don't attend church or listen to Christain Radio often, along with the lefties, than the number is higher.
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« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2021, 02:41:06 PM »

I would say around 10-17% of the population, as most of them are over 55. The number is higher, but if you would consider Evangelicals who don't attend church or listen to Christain Radio often, along with the lefties, than the number is higher.

What do you think the percentage is if Evangelicals who don't attend church or listen to Christain Radio often, and the lefties are included?
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« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2021, 03:03:32 PM »

Orthodox Christianity doesn’t intend for itself to be an alternative to the various generally  accepted scientific theories regarding the origin and nature of the physical world. Truly orthodox Christian thought, however, offers absolutely no leniency on personal or sexual matters though there is wiggle room to perhaps try to include those that actively identify as LGBT so long as they do not actually commit LGBT acts. Reformed Protestant Christianity is different on the latter and Fundamentalist Christianity differs on the former. Though it’s not nearly this simple.

I am guessing we are talking about the percentage of voters in the US who are Orthodox or Fundamentalist Christians? I would say about 16-17% of voters are Orthodox Christians and 18-19% are Fundamentalist Christians. This is all based on Exit Polling and occupational polling (clergy of various denominations) and big assumptions surrounding it.

About 75% of Catholic Priests are Republicans and 20-25% of all Biden voters are Pro-Life. I could see voters like this split 75-25. The exit pollers in general poll for Evangelical voters and not Fundamentalist ones and though they have turned out in greater numbers in 2020 than in the past, fewer of them voted Republican. I could see Republican Evangelicals having a solid 18-19% of the vote. Maybe 90% of them would fit the bill as Fundamentalists.
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« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2021, 03:11:15 PM »

Given the criteria you've laid out, I'd say somewhere between 10-15% of the population. It was probably closer to between 20-25% during the 90s to early 2000s.
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« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2021, 03:12:01 PM »

I would say around 10-17% of the population, as most of them are over 55. The number is higher, but if you would consider Evangelicals who don't attend church or listen to Christain Radio often, along with the lefties, than the number is higher.

What do you think the percentage is if Evangelicals who don't attend church or listen to Christain Radio often, and the lefties are included?
I would say around a quarter.
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« Reply #11 on: May 30, 2021, 06:06:39 PM »

Do these people have to actually live their daily lives according to Christian values such as 'love thy neighbour' regardless of race/ethnicity, religion, and sexual orientation?

...or do they just have to give lip service?

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« Reply #12 on: May 30, 2021, 07:16:21 PM »

Do these people have to actually live their daily lives according to Christian values such as 'love thy neighbour' regardless of race/ethnicity, religion, and sexual orientation?

...or do they just have to give lip service?

Some do, some don't.  The claim that Evangelicals hate ethnic minorities, people of other faiths, and LGBT people is baseless.
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« Reply #13 on: May 31, 2021, 12:04:36 AM »

Hot take: ~5-7%
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« Reply #14 on: May 31, 2021, 07:14:30 AM »


What makes you guess lower than the typical 15-25% guess?
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« Reply #15 on: May 31, 2021, 07:54:43 AM »

The world didn't begin in 400 BC with Noah's Ark as we know Dinosaurs were here long before and Blks were the origins, that's why Christian Conservatives are being replaced by the simplistic terms of Secular v Traditionalists
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« Reply #16 on: May 31, 2021, 08:33:58 AM »

Interesting question. Going by the broadest definition of "Christian Conservative" (someone who is both Christian and a Conservative) we can say that approximately 33% of American Adults were Conservative Christians in 2007 according to the Pew Research Center's Religious Landscape Survey (78.4% of American Adults were Christian in 2007 and 42% of those Christians self-identified as Conservative), and then seven years later, in 2014 (according to the Pew Research Center's Religious Landscape Survey), we could say that 31% of American Adults were Conservative Christians (70.6% of American Adults were Christian and 44% of those Christians self-identified as Conservatve). If you extrapolate this seven years into the future (so today, 2021), you can find that 29% of American Adults are Christian Conservatives.

As for all the constraints you've mentioned, though, adding those probably takes only 50 - 60% of Conservative Christians. Maybe ~15 - ~20% of U.S. adults?
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« Reply #17 on: May 31, 2021, 11:01:17 AM »

Interesting question. Going by the broadest definition of "Christian Conservative" (someone who is both Christian and a Conservative) we can say that approximately 33% of American Adults were Conservative Christians in 2007 according to the Pew Research Center's Religious Landscape Survey (78.4% of American Adults were Christian in 2007 and 42% of those Christians self-identified as Conservative), and then seven years later, in 2014 (according to the Pew Research Center's Religious Landscape Survey), we could say that 31% of American Adults were Conservative Christians (70.6% of American Adults were Christian and 44% of those Christians self-identified as Conservatve). If you extrapolate this seven years into the future (so today, 2021), you can find that 29% of American Adults are Christian Conservatives.

As for all the constraints you've mentioned, though, adding those probably takes only 50 - 60% of Conservative Christians. Maybe ~15 - ~20% of U.S. adults?

In regards to the constraints (disregarding the "voting republican" one for POC since there's a racial divide in voting), I'm curious what you think the racial divide is between the prevalence of American's who fit the criteria of being fundamentalist Christians.


* Believes a literal interpretation of the Bible (Creationism, etc.)

* Attends church weekly

* Listens to Christian Radio (stuff like Air1, Focus On The Family, or EWTN)

* Opposes LGBT rights (even if they tolerate the gay people they do know)

* Pro Life

* Would send their children to a Christian school or University if they had the means to do so.

* Believes the United States is a "Christian Nation" and that the laws should be decided by the Bible if the Bible and will of the people are in conflict.

* (Only included if the person is nonhispanic white) Votes Republican

* Laments that Christians who have liberal views on LGBT issues or Evolution aren't "Real Christians"

I'm not familiar with how POC people approach Christianity, but would perhaps only 1/16 of Black people and 1/8 of Hispanic people fulfill the requirements to this list (again, voting republican excluded as a criteria for them), while 1/2 of white people would (if the GOP requirement still applies to white people)?
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« Reply #18 on: May 31, 2021, 02:41:38 PM »

Interesting question. Going by the broadest definition of "Christian Conservative" (someone who is both Christian and a Conservative) we can say that approximately 33% of American Adults were Conservative Christians in 2007 according to the Pew Research Center's Religious Landscape Survey (78.4% of American Adults were Christian in 2007 and 42% of those Christians self-identified as Conservative), and then seven years later, in 2014 (according to the Pew Research Center's Religious Landscape Survey), we could say that 31% of American Adults were Conservative Christians (70.6% of American Adults were Christian and 44% of those Christians self-identified as Conservatve). If you extrapolate this seven years into the future (so today, 2021), you can find that 29% of American Adults are Christian Conservatives.

As for all the constraints you've mentioned, though, adding those probably takes only 50 - 60% of Conservative Christians. Maybe ~15 - ~20% of U.S. adults?

In regards to the constraints (disregarding the "voting republican" one for POC since there's a racial divide in voting), I'm curious what you think the racial divide is between the prevalence of American's who fit the criteria of being fundamentalist Christians.


* Believes a literal interpretation of the Bible (Creationism, etc.)

* Attends church weekly

* Listens to Christian Radio (stuff like Air1, Focus On The Family, or EWTN)

* Opposes LGBT rights (even if they tolerate the gay people they do know)

* Pro Life

* Would send their children to a Christian school or University if they had the means to do so.

* Believes the United States is a "Christian Nation" and that the laws should be decided by the Bible if the Bible and will of the people are in conflict.

* (Only included if the person is nonhispanic white) Votes Republican

* Laments that Christians who have liberal views on LGBT issues or Evolution aren't "Real Christians"

I'm not familiar with how POC people approach Christianity, but would perhaps only 1/16 of Black people and 1/8 of Hispanic people fulfill the requirements to this list (again, voting republican excluded as a criteria for them), while 1/2 of white people would (if the GOP requirement still applies to white people)?


Fulfilling all the requirements to that list it's difficult to find data for. We can make guesses but they won't be very good most likely due to a lack of microdata in the studies. I guess we could try for Black people.

So for African-Americans, there was a Pew study in 2019 - 2020 just about them:

~45% of Protestant African-Americans say they are humanity has always existed in its present form
~42% of Christian African-Americans say they believe homosexuality should not be accepted by society
~40% of Christian African-Americans attend church weekly
~32% of Christian African-Americans say they believe abortion should be illegal in most or all cases

As for the other things, "The U.S. is a Christian nation" and lamenting the U.S. isn't a Christian nation I can't find data for (I'd imagine most of the Black Christians who think abortion should be illegal agree with those statements, as well as all the other statements presented above). Maybe assuming that ~20% of Black Christians are Conservative you get ~15% of African-Americans being Conservative Christians (and if you expand to further to include listening to Christian Radio or sending their children to Christian schools it probably drops to 2 - 5%, I doubt there are many Black Christians doing that). These are all just subjective guesses though based on my interpretation of the data.

Data for Hispanics is more difficult to find so I put that off for a little.
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« Reply #19 on: May 31, 2021, 05:48:40 PM »


What makes you guess lower than the typical 15-25% guess?
Creationism is way less popular than it was 10 years ago, there is NO way a quarter of americans are creationists, even if they say that in polls.
Also Christian radio is on the decline.
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« Reply #20 on: May 31, 2021, 06:10:47 PM »


What makes you guess lower than the typical 15-25% guess?
Creationism is way less popular than it was 10 years ago, there is NO way a quarter of americans are creationists, even if they say that in polls.
Also Christian radio is on the decline.

Maybe slightly less popular. There’s at least some evidence that’s there is as much polarization as there is secularization happening. That is, a lot of people who practice religion moderately are becoming either Atheist or Fundamentalist.
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« Reply #21 on: June 05, 2021, 12:24:22 PM »

Evolution is a historical fact we are primates and dwarfism triggered the human race from the primate family, black and brown skin don't burn in the heat and whiter skin does because we evolved from Africa and Asia and the Vikings evolved in the Arctic and Dinosaurs were destroyed by a meteorite that triggered the Ice ages that developed man

That's we have dwarfism and little people and Africans were the original Jews and Hebrews were the original Cave people they didn't have caves in Africa
This post makes no sense at all whatsoever. How did dwarfism trigger the human race?
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« Reply #22 on: June 05, 2021, 09:10:13 PM »

Do these people have to actually live their daily lives according to Christian values such as 'love thy neighbour' regardless of race/ethnicity?

...or do they just have to give lip service?

The kinds who value legalistic enforcement of rules over loving others.

In short, sadly, the vast majority of such types.

They will love others who are within their own Realm and family oh, but they really fall short on the whole loving others outside their comfort zone.
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« Reply #23 on: June 05, 2021, 10:17:46 PM »

Do these people have to actually live their daily lives according to Christian values such as 'love thy neighbour' regardless of race/ethnicity?

...or do they just have to give lip service?

The kinds who value legalistic enforcement of rules over loving others.

In short, sadly, the vast majority of such types.

They will love others who are within their own Realm and family oh, but they really fall short on the whole loving others outside their comfort zone.

[citation needed]
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« Reply #24 on: June 06, 2021, 02:31:59 AM »

Do these people have to actually live their daily lives according to Christian values such as 'love thy neighbour' regardless of race/ethnicity?

...or do they just have to give lip service?

The kinds who value legalistic enforcement of rules over loving others.

In short, sadly, the vast majority of such types.

They will love others who are within their own Realm and family oh, but they really fall short on the whole loving others outside their comfort zone.

[citation needed]

How about certain unnamed individuals who rapidly fight a woman's reproductive freedom, but simultaneously fight any efforts to spend their tax dollars on making those unwanted born children's lives any better regarding education, Child Care, Medical Care, anti-poverty programs?

How about literally everything and anything remotely conceivable related to gays and lesbians be on some nicey-nice BS sanctimonious love the sinner hate the sin platitudes while trying to slam already difficult lives back in the closet and marginalize these bully kids even further?

Or how about those seem almost universally white Christian conservatives declaring racism is 99% a misused by black activists tried play the so-called race card, racism is over, after all we had a black president who means it at me we fought tooth-and-nail from becoming elected while meanwhile try to keep our Southern segregated Christian Schools intact?

I could go on, but if you really can't think any examples on your own, anything I post isn't about to change your mind. The truth hurts.
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