Australia General Discussion 4.0: It ain’t easy under Albanese

[(no subject)]

if we insist that laws are what we want them to be rather than what they are, legal systems will collapse.

[AustralianSwingVoter]

The actual *white* Australian working class doesn't support the centre-left today. Let alone, 19th century socialism. The *white* working class here in Oz *really* hate 20+ years of being told by the Australian left about how they are racists and xenophobes for not supporting unauthorised immigration by boat.

Even though most of the white working class's grandparents came here on a boat in the 50s but that's apparently neither here nor there for you.

They didn't - they were migrants taken from Displaced Persons camps, not refugees.

No? The large plurality were Ten Pound Poms arriving on converted liners.

[morgieb]

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/jan/11/george-pell-dead-australian-cardinal-dies-aged-81-rome-vatican?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other&fbclid=IwAR0hCY0hbUXUGaiN_p2kcot-SFUvLLVNMA9iLZ3FBYpR11vwRUPCQFNMqkk

Somehow RIP doesn't feel appropriate here....

[AustralianSwingVoter]

Rest In Piss

[(no subject)]

Police say it's not clear why the 81-year-old ex-archbishop was trying to rob a service station.

[morgieb]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-64245422

This feels infinitely worse than all those blackface scandals. At least those outside of the US you could argue ignorance until a decade or so ago. I'm not sure how you could think that wearing a Nazi uniform was ever OK.

[AustralianSwingVoter]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-64245422

This feels infinitely worse than all those blackface scandals. At least those outside of the US you could argue ignorance until a decade or so ago. I'm not sure how you could think that wearing a Nazi uniform was ever OK.

However it’s important to note this is an obvious hit job on Perrottet by Clubs NSW in retaliation for his anti-gambling proposals. The timing is very blatant.

But hey, at least they didn’t firebomb his house like they totally definitely 100% didn’t do to Jordan Shanks/friendlyjordies.

[Meclazine for Israel]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-64245422

This feels infinitely worse than all those blackface scandals. At least those outside of the US you could argue ignorance until a decade or so ago. I'm not sure how you could think that wearing a Nazi uniform was ever OK.

However it’s important to note this is an obvious hit job on Perrottet by Clubs NSW in retaliation for his anti-gambling proposals. The timing is very blatant.

But hey, at least they didn’t firebomb his house like they totally definitely 100% didn’t do to Jordan Shanks/friendlyjordies.

Agreed.

100% political from the Transport Minister of the Liberal Party who does not like his politics.

[AustralianSwingVoter]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-64245422

This feels infinitely worse than all those blackface scandals. At least those outside of the US you could argue ignorance until a decade or so ago. I'm not sure how you could think that wearing a Nazi uniform was ever OK.

However it’s important to note this is an obvious hit job on Perrottet by Clubs NSW in retaliation for his anti-gambling proposals. The timing is very blatant.

But hey, at least they didn’t firebomb his house like they totally definitely 100% didn’t do to Jordan Shanks/friendlyjordies.

Agreed.

100% political from the Transport Minister of the Liberal Party who does not like his politics.

To call it ideological gives him too much credit. David Elliot is in the pocket of the gambling industry and deeply embittered he’s been forced to retire after a hopeless Preselection battle (thanks to the redistribution).

[Meclazine for Israel]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-64245422

This feels infinitely worse than all those blackface scandals. At least those outside of the US you could argue ignorance until a decade or so ago. I'm not sure how you could think that wearing a Nazi uniform was ever OK.

However it’s important to note this is an obvious hit job on Perrottet by Clubs NSW in retaliation for his anti-gambling proposals. The timing is very blatant.

But hey, at least they didn’t firebomb his house like they totally definitely 100% didn’t do to Jordan Shanks/friendlyjordies.

Agreed.

100% political from the Transport Minister of the Liberal Party who does not like his politics.

To call it ideological gives him too much credit. David Elliot is in the pocket of the gambling industry and deeply embittered he’s been forced to retire after a hopeless Preselection battle (thanks to the redistribution).

You know more about these guys than I do.

Looks like Dominic is going to survive relatively unscathed. Everyone I spoke to is like "who cares what he wore to a party at University 22 years ago".

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-14/politics-behind-nsw-premier-dominic-perrottet-nazi-costume-spat/101853538

Price Harry survived.

The Swastika is the main offensive symbol to the Jewish community in Australia and Dominic does not deliberately show those off in public, let alone own one.

You can't even get a model Tamiya plane with a swastika on the back wing anymore.

If he wore it in the last 2 years, then I would agree there is in fact a problem. The fact that no photo existed at the time highlights that no one was offended (or smart phones and Facebook were not invented yet).

Are we to assume that Mel Brooks will not make anymore Nazi comedies?

[AustralianSwingVoter]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-64245422

This feels infinitely worse than all those blackface scandals. At least those outside of the US you could argue ignorance until a decade or so ago. I'm not sure how you could think that wearing a Nazi uniform was ever OK.

However it’s important to note this is an obvious hit job on Perrottet by Clubs NSW in retaliation for his anti-gambling proposals. The timing is very blatant.

But hey, at least they didn’t firebomb his house like they totally definitely 100% didn’t do to Jordan Shanks/friendlyjordies.

Agreed.

100% political from the Transport Minister of the Liberal Party who does not like his politics.

To call it ideological gives him too much credit. David Elliot is in the pocket of the gambling industry and deeply embittered he’s been forced to retire after a hopeless Preselection battle (thanks to the redistribution).

You know more about these guys than I do.

Well you're out in Perth, right? Gloriously insulated from the nuclear stupidity of NSW state politics. Meanwhile I'm a Sydneysider so it's inescapable.

You can't even get a model Tamiya plane with a swastika on the back wing anymore.

They only do that because of German laws. It'd be far too much hassle to have two seperate decals for german and non-german sale, so they just comply with the strictest laws. Just like many California regulations are de facto nationwide.

[Meclazine for Israel]

They only do that because of German laws.

A lot of people have got the old models and just grey out the Swastika in Photoshop before showing them off.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

Has he tried saying that his sister in law found it funny?

[politicallefty]

I don't follow Australian politics too closely, although I do make an attempt to understand the basics. With that said, I'm legit curious. How long before the republican movement gets its legs back and makes another attempt? As some time has passed since the Queen's death, is Albanese really going to wait until a second term (if he gets one) or will the itch become too great?

[AustralianSwingVoter]

I don't follow Australian politics too closely, although I do make an attempt to understand the basics. With that said, I'm legit curious. How long before the republican movement gets its legs back and makes another attempt? As some time has passed since the Queen's death, is Albanese really going to wait until a second term (if he gets one) or will the itch become too great?

If the Aboriginal Voice referendum doesn't go well then the Republic is off the table for Albo. If it goes well then they probably start the process next term.

I'd still bet against a republic referendum succeeding though. It's just so symbolic and pointless that it's hard to get people motivated. Making the Governor General more powerful isn't a particularly inspiring goal.

[AustralianSwingVoter]

Has he tried saying that his sister in law found it funny?

Well by sheer coincidence at least three current sitting Liberal MPs attended the party and can vouch for him!

[GoTfan]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-64245422

This feels infinitely worse than all those blackface scandals. At least those outside of the US you could argue ignorance until a decade or so ago. I'm not sure how you could think that wearing a Nazi uniform was ever OK.

However it’s important to note this is an obvious hit job on Perrottet by Clubs NSW in retaliation for his anti-gambling proposals. The timing is very blatant.

But hey, at least they didn’t firebomb his house like they totally definitely 100% didn’t do to Jordan Shanks/friendlyjordies.

I remember bringing that up a while back.

[AustralianSwingVoter]

Jim Molan is dead.

> Almost destroys the coalition agreement in the 2018 preselection debacle (is it too obvious i still hold it against him?)
> Lucks into Sinodinos's seat anyway
> Claims to be pro-life
> Dies anyway

I'll never forget "I'm not relying on evidence" for denying climate change. No more brilliant rebuttal than “You should keep an open mind but not so open that your brain falls out."

[Meclazine for Israel]

If you are an alcoholic from Alice Springs, it ain't easy under Albanese.

New restrictions on alcohol sales.

Labor's introduction of the 168 hour per week pissup has been a failure.

(a) No alcohol sales on Monday or Tuesday;
(b) Other days, bottle's only open only 3pm-7pm.
(c) only one sale per day per person
(d) scanning of ID to make sure criminals (or people onnthe pissy register) cannot buy alcohol.

It's not really Albo's job. Clearly the Labor leadership in the Northern Territory are not doing their job living in fantasy land.

[AustralianSwingVoter]

The Western Australian opposition has imploded in hilarious fashion today.

Her Accidency the Opposition Leader Mia Davies has stepped down from leadership, and looks likely to retire at the next election. WA Nats only have 4 MPs but it looks like they might still have a 2 way fight (their 4th MP only won a by-election 6 months ago, so couldn't really be involved)
Onto the worst job in Australian politics, leader of the WA Liberals. Who have decided to put on a complete farce. They only have two lower house MPs, both career backbenchers until the shellacking in 2021. One became leader. The other has decided to challenge him in a farcical leadership spill. It looks like she has the numbers (there are 7 upper house MPs in addition to the lower house duet).

Only in Australia could a party of four have a leader resign and a contested election And a party of two have a leadership spill. No I'm not joking.

[GoTfan]

The Western Australian opposition has imploded in hilarious fashion today.

Her Accidency the Opposition Leader Mia Davies has stepped down from leadership, and looks likely to retire at the next election. WA Nats only have 4 MPs but it looks like they might still have a 2 way fight (their 4th MP only won a by-election 6 months ago, so couldn't really be involved)
Onto the worst job in Australian politics, leader of the WA Liberals. Who have decided to put on a complete farce. They only have two lower house MPs, both career backbenchers until the shellacking in 2021. One became leader. The other has decided to challenge him in a farcical leadership spill. It looks like she has the numbers (there are 7 upper house MPs in addition to the lower house duet).

Only in Australia could a party of four have a leader resign and a contested election And a party of two have a leadership spill. No I'm not joking.

Between this and the Robodebt Commission, how do the Liberals as a whole hope to win the next elections?

And yes, I say elections because the Liberal Party right now is a farce and from what I can see, stands little chance in nearly every election for the next few years. Tasmania is the exception

[GoTfan]

So Lidia Thorpe has quit the Greens.

She is truly a left wing clone of Pauline Hanson. She wants to be Australia's AOC, but lack a single one of AOC's qualities.

[S019]

So Lidia Thorpe has quit the Greens.

She is truly a left wing clone of Pauline Hanson. She wants to be Australia's AOC, but lack a single one of AOC's qualities.

I haven't followed Australian politics that closely lately, but I still don't understand why exactly she opposed the Voice.

[Meclazine for Israel]

So Lidia Thorpe has quit the Greens.

She is truly a left wing clone of Pauline Hanson. She wants to be Australia's AOC, but lack a single one of AOC's qualities.

I haven't followed Australian politics that closely lately, but I still don't understand why exactly she opposed the Voice.

She wants a full "black sovereign movement", not a voice.

A voice is seen as toothless. She simply wants more power.

If the ultra left vote against it, then it is doomed.

[AustralianSwingVoter]

So Lidia Thorpe has quit the Greens.

She is truly a left wing clone of Pauline Hanson. She wants to be Australia's AOC, but lack a single one of AOC's qualities.

Aaand we're stuck with her for five more years. What a shambles.