Australia General Discussion 4.0: It ain’t easy under Albanese

[GoTfan]

boatist = someone who supports unauthorised boat arrivals. Or, less charitably, the illegal immigration racket under the guise of asylum seeking.

So the fact that the Nadeslingam family is home must enrage you.

Genuinely, why do you feed them?

It's a problem of mine, I admit.

In any case, shifting the discussion back, we now have movement on the Indigenous Voice and federal ICAC, both of which are long overdue. I must say, I am very much looking forward tò what happens when the ICAC investigates the previous government.

[(no subject)]

Disclosure: I am myself a university-educated professional living in an inner city. How then have I been inoculated against the biases I criticise my fellow commentators for? I believe the answer, paradoxically, is my membership of the ALP, and more particularly the ALP Right. Since my political affiliation is formal and widely known, I have to guard especially carefully against partisanship. And since I support a faction dominated by hard-boiled pragmatists and generally hostile to the views of the inner urban cosmopolitan elite, I am better equipped to avoid the trap of elite group-think into which many others have fallen.

[GoTfan]

One thing that might actually be worth more than what most people think is the restoration of funding for Australian broadcasting in some Pacific island nations. Provides a decent counterweight to the Chinese propaganda shovelled in there 24 hours a day.

It will be interesting to see how the Teals go, to be honest. They were likely hoping for a Labor minority so they could push them on things a bit more. The Liberals need to win those seats back to have a hope of winning government back in three years.

[Frodo]

With the climbing ban on Uluru (formerly Ayers Rock) having set the example three years ago, other aboriginal groups in Australia are looking to replicate it in their areas:

The next Uluru? Hikers and Aboriginal elders await decision on closure of Wollumbin summit

[GoTfan]

With the climbing ban on Uluru (formerly Ayers Rock) having set the example three years ago, other aboriginal groups in Australia are looking to replicate it in their areas:

The next Uluru? Hikers and Aboriginal elders await decision on closure of Wollumbin summit

I think it's well past time that these sorts of lands are returned to full control of the indigenous people. Frankly, the way we've treated them has been disgusting and as i remember one user pointing out, quite paternalistic, even as we were supposedly fixing things.

[Meclazine for Israel]

With the climbing ban on Uluru (formerly Ayers Rock) having set the example three years ago, other aboriginal groups in Australia are looking to replicate it in their areas:

The next Uluru? Hikers and Aboriginal elders await decision on closure of Wollumbin summit

Mt Augustus is over twice the size of Uluru and could be added to your list.



It's not a big issue for the indigenous community or the WA public to be honest. If they close it, not much will happen. It's more of a poster topic for international political discussion.

The Aboriginal community at Burringurrah don't mind people climbing it, but they say there are bad spirits there. They would prefer to have financial assistance as a community rather than banning people from climbing it. If they do take money from tourists for climbing it, then that may imply some level of Duty of Care when they get into strife.

People die on the 12km climb in summer, (1-2 per year) mainly through heat exhaustion, getting lost, or both.

The members of the Burringurrah community I met don't really care. They want there kids to move to the Pilbara and get jobs on the Iron Ore mines rather than waste away in squalor, drunkenness and methamphetamine currently ravaging outback communities. It's not pretty.

Rio Tinto, BHP and Fortescue now have 15% qoutas on the mine site employee numbers for aboriginal workers.

That helps their community and people 100 times more than closing 'rocks' to be climbed.

[GoTfan]

With the climbing ban on Uluru (formerly Ayers Rock) having set the example three years ago, other aboriginal groups in Australia are looking to replicate it in their areas:

The next Uluru? Hikers and Aboriginal elders await decision on closure of Wollumbin summit

Mt Augustus is over twice the size of Uluru and could be added to your list.



It's not a big issue for the indigenous community or the WA public to be honest. Id they close it, not much will happen. It's more of a poster topic for international political discussion.

The Aboriginal community at Burringurrah don't mind people climbing it, but they say there are bad spirits there. They would prefer to have financial assistance as a community rather than banning people from climbing it. If they do take money from tourists for climbing it, then that may imply some level of Duty of Care when they get into strife.

People die on the 12km climb in summer, (1-2 per year) mainly through heat exhaustion, getting lost, or both.

The members of the Burringurrah community I met don't really care. They want there kids to move to the Pilbara and get jobs on the Iron Ore mines rather than waste away in squalor, drunkenness and methamphetamine currently ravaging outback communities. It's not pretty.

Rio Tinto, BHP and Fortescue now have 15% qoutas on the mine site employee numbers for aboriginal workers.

That helps their community and people 100 times more than closing 'rocks' to be climbed.

Rio Tinto? You mean the guys who quite infamously blew up a sacred Aboriginal site?

[(no subject)]

Leftist activists have little to no connection with what the "oppressed" actually want or believe. I cannott be the only one who was hoping that freak Bob Brown would get his own taste of mob justice when he came with that freaking convoy. I hate him almost as much as i hate Bandt and Richard di Gelato.

[(no subject)]

It's 2022. Religion matters as little to most Aboriginal Australians as it does to most white Australians - not much at all in day to day life and concerns.

[Ebowed]

Disclosure: I am myself a university-educated professional living in an inner city. How then have I been inoculated against the biases I criticise my fellow commentators for? I believe the answer, paradoxically, is my membership of the ALP, and more particularly the ALP Right. Since my political affiliation is formal and widely known, I have to guard especially carefully against partisanship. And since I support a faction dominated by hard-boiled pragmatists and generally hostile to the views of the inner urban cosmopolitan elite, I am better equipped to avoid the trap of elite group-think into which many others have fallen.

You sound way too wrapped up in weird identity politics, dude.

[Ebowed]

With the climbing ban on Uluru (formerly Ayers Rock) having set the example three years ago, other aboriginal groups in Australia are looking to replicate it in their areas:

The next Uluru? Hikers and Aboriginal elders await decision on closure of Wollumbin summit

I have to confess that I don't quite understand how one can reconcile banning people from accessing an area that somebody considers a 'sacred site' when they would likely have a hostile reaction to Christian or Muslim principles being enshrined into law.

[Pericles]

With the climbing ban on Uluru (formerly Ayers Rock) having set the example three years ago, other aboriginal groups in Australia are looking to replicate it in their areas:

The next Uluru? Hikers and Aboriginal elders await decision on closure of Wollumbin summit

I have to confess that I don't quite understand how one can reconcile banning people from accessing an area that somebody considers a 'sacred site' when they would likely have a hostile reaction to Christian or Muslim principles being enshrined into law.

Aren't those sites usually protected? Australia just wouldn't have them for other religions.

[No War, but the War on Christmas]

With the climbing ban on Uluru (formerly Ayers Rock) having set the example three years ago, other aboriginal groups in Australia are looking to replicate it in their areas:

The next Uluru? Hikers and Aboriginal elders await decision on closure of Wollumbin summit

I have to confess that I don't quite understand how one can reconcile banning people from accessing an area that somebody considers a 'sacred site' when they would likely have a hostile reaction to Christian or Muslim principles being enshrined into law.

Last time I checked; most Christian and Muslim holy sites are indeed protected by law in one way or another.

[(no subject)]

and, of course, just like Christianity, and Judaism and Islam, Australian Aboriginal religion is based in belief not science so the supposed notion of sacred sites is fictional any way.

[CumbrianLefty]

Which is how to completely miss the point.

[Meclazine for Israel]

and, of course, just like Christianity, and Judaism and Islam, Australian Aboriginal religion is based in belief not science so the supposed notion of sacred sites is fictional any way.

I find there is a 'fictional' component invented by white people on how they want aboriginal people to appear, particularly on the ABC.

One of the issues people don't want to recognise in Western Australia is that the violence and particularly sexual violence towards woman and young aboriginal children is rife.

Is that because of any particular social issue or is it simply the introduction of CCTV and mobile phones bringing these issues to light?

https://www.watoday.com.au/national/western-australia/its-a-war-zone-out-there-confronting-video-shows-wa-alcohol-drug-violence-20170809-gxsgxu.html

It is hard to imagine, but these behaviours are endemic.

https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/court-justice/cctv-reveals-horrific-extent-of-brennan-stack-and-shai-martins-alleged-attack-on-two-women-c-6348774

https://omny.fm/shows/the-west-live/breaking-unpacking-cctv-footage-of-northbridge-att

[GoTfan]

and, of course, just like Christianity, and Judaism and Islam, Australian Aboriginal religion is based in belief not science so the supposed notion of sacred sites is fictional any way.

I find there is a 'fictional' component invented by white people on how they want aboriginal people to appear, particularly on the ABC.

One of the issues people don't want to recognise in Western Australia is that the violence and particularly sexual violence towards woman and young aboriginal children is rife.

Is that because of any particular social issue or is it simply the introduction of CCTV and mobile phones bringing these issues to light?

https://www.watoday.com.au/national/western-australia/its-a-war-zone-out-there-confronting-video-shows-wa-alcohol-drug-violence-20170809-gxsgxu.html

It is hard to imagine, but these behaviours are endemic.

https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/court-justice/cctv-reveals-horrific-extent-of-brennan-stack-and-shai-martins-alleged-attack-on-two-women-c-6348774

https://omny.fm/shows/the-west-live/breaking-unpacking-cctv-footage-of-northbridge-att

Look, if you two can put down the thinly-veiled racism for a minute, why should we continue telling the indigenous population "We know what's good for you" when clearly, we have no idea?

[(no subject)]

and, of course, just like Christianity, and Judaism and Islam, Australian Aboriginal religion is based in belief not science so the supposed notion of sacred sites is fictional any way.

I find there is a 'fictional' component invented by white people on how they want aboriginal people to appear, particularly on the ABC.

One of the issues people don't want to recognise in Western Australia is that the violence and particularly sexual violence towards woman and young aboriginal children is rife.

Is that because of any particular social issue or is it simply the introduction of CCTV and mobile phones bringing these issues to light?

https://www.watoday.com.au/national/western-australia/its-a-war-zone-out-there-confronting-video-shows-wa-alcohol-drug-violence-20170809-gxsgxu.html

It is hard to imagine, but these behaviours are endemic.

https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/court-justice/cctv-reveals-horrific-extent-of-brennan-stack-and-shai-martins-alleged-attack-on-two-women-c-6348774

https://omny.fm/shows/the-west-live/breaking-unpacking-cctv-footage-of-northbridge-att

Look, if you two can put down the thinly-veiled racism for a minute, why should we continue telling the indigenous population "We know what's good for you" when clearly, we have no idea?

Pointing out that Australian Aboriginal religion is unscientific bullplop like any other religion is reality. By the way, do you want to know how "always was always will be" and "never ceded" will go down with the ordinary voters once they are publicised in the referendum campaign?  Like a cup of cold sick.

[Lord Halifax]

and, of course, just like Christianity, and Judaism and Islam, Australian Aboriginal religion is based in belief not science so the supposed notion of sacred sites is fictional any way.

I find there is a 'fictional' component invented by white people on how they want aboriginal people to appear, particularly on the ABC.

One of the issues people don't want to recognise in Western Australia is that the violence and particularly sexual violence towards woman and young aboriginal children is rife.

Is that because of any particular social issue or is it simply the introduction of CCTV and mobile phones bringing these issues to light?

https://www.watoday.com.au/national/western-australia/its-a-war-zone-out-there-confronting-video-shows-wa-alcohol-drug-violence-20170809-gxsgxu.html

It is hard to imagine, but these behaviours are endemic.

https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/court-justice/cctv-reveals-horrific-extent-of-brennan-stack-and-shai-martins-alleged-attack-on-two-women-c-6348774

https://omny.fm/shows/the-west-live/breaking-unpacking-cctv-footage-of-northbridge-att

Look, if you two can put down the thinly-veiled racism for a minute, why should we continue telling the indigenous population "We know what's good for you" when clearly, we have no idea?

Pointing out that Australian Aboriginal religion is unscientific bullplop like any other religion is reality. By the way, do you want to know how "always was always will be" and "never ceded" will go down with the ordinary voters once they are publicised in the referendum campaign?  Like a cup of cold sick.

Something being unscientific doesn't make it not worthy of respect, there are other dimensions in life than the ones that can be comprehended and described scientifically, and the spiritual dimension of life is immensely important to hundreds of millions of people around the world and for many closely intertwined with their identity, dismissing that as superstition or bullplop makes you narrow-minded and a bigot. Using atheism to justify assholery and callousness is unfortunately all to common.

Religion is closely interwoven with culture, so disrespecting their traditional religion is disrespecting their culture and identity. Disrespecting indigenous people when belonging to the group that destroyed their way of life and subsequently oppressed and marginalized them (or groups that benefitted from said actions) is not something any decent person should engage in.

[GoTfan]

and, of course, just like Christianity, and Judaism and Islam, Australian Aboriginal religion is based in belief not science so the supposed notion of sacred sites is fictional any way.

I find there is a 'fictional' component invented by white people on how they want aboriginal people to appear, particularly on the ABC.

One of the issues people don't want to recognise in Western Australia is that the violence and particularly sexual violence towards woman and young aboriginal children is rife.

Is that because of any particular social issue or is it simply the introduction of CCTV and mobile phones bringing these issues to light?

https://www.watoday.com.au/national/western-australia/its-a-war-zone-out-there-confronting-video-shows-wa-alcohol-drug-violence-20170809-gxsgxu.html

It is hard to imagine, but these behaviours are endemic.

https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/court-justice/cctv-reveals-horrific-extent-of-brennan-stack-and-shai-martins-alleged-attack-on-two-women-c-6348774

https://omny.fm/shows/the-west-live/breaking-unpacking-cctv-footage-of-northbridge-att

Look, if you two can put down the thinly-veiled racism for a minute, why should we continue telling the indigenous population "We know what's good for you" when clearly, we have no idea?

Pointing out that Australian Aboriginal religion is unscientific bullplop like any other religion is reality. By the way, do you want to know how "always was always will be" and "never ceded" will go down with the ordinary voters once they are publicised in the referendum campaign?  Like a cup of cold sick.

Something being unscientific doesn't make it not worthy of respect, there are other dimensions in life than the ones that can be comprehended and described scientifically, and the spiritual dimension of life is immensely important to hundreds of millions of people around the world and for many closely intertwined with their identity, dismissing that as superstition or bullplop makes you narrow-minded and a bigot. Using atheism to justify assholery and callousness is unfortunately all to common.

Religion is closely interwoven with culture, so disrespecting their traditional religion is disrespecting their culture and identity. Disrespecting indigenous people when belonging to the group that destroyed their way of life and subsequently oppressed and marginalized them (or groups that benefitted from said actions) is not something any decent person should engage in.

It seems Slugg and Meclazine are yet to evolve past the White Australia policy.

[(no subject)]

and, of course, just like Christianity, and Judaism and Islam, Australian Aboriginal religion is based in belief not science so the supposed notion of sacred sites is fictional any way.

I find there is a 'fictional' component invented by white people on how they want aboriginal people to appear, particularly on the ABC.

One of the issues people don't want to recognise in Western Australia is that the violence and particularly sexual violence towards woman and young aboriginal children is rife.

Is that because of any particular social issue or is it simply the introduction of CCTV and mobile phones bringing these issues to light?

https://www.watoday.com.au/national/western-australia/its-a-war-zone-out-there-confronting-video-shows-wa-alcohol-drug-violence-20170809-gxsgxu.html

It is hard to imagine, but these behaviours are endemic.

https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/court-justice/cctv-reveals-horrific-extent-of-brennan-stack-and-shai-martins-alleged-attack-on-two-women-c-6348774

https://omny.fm/shows/the-west-live/breaking-unpacking-cctv-footage-of-northbridge-att

Look, if you two can put down the thinly-veiled racism for a minute, why should we continue telling the indigenous population "We know what's good for you" when clearly, we have no idea?

Pointing out that Australian Aboriginal religion is unscientific bullplop like any other religion is reality. By the way, do you want to know how "always was always will be" and "never ceded" will go down with the ordinary voters once they are publicised in the referendum campaign?  Like a cup of cold sick.

Something being unscientific doesn't make it not worthy of respect, there are other dimensions in life than the ones that can be comprehended and described scientifically, and the spiritual dimension of life is immensely important to hundreds of millions of people around the world and for many closely intertwined with their identity, dismissing that as superstition or bullplop makes you narrow-minded and a bigot. Using atheism to justify assholery and callousness is unfortunately all to common.

Religion is closely interwoven with culture, so disrespecting their traditional religion is disrespecting their culture and identity. Disrespecting indigenous people when belonging to the group that destroyed their way of life and subsequently oppressed and marginalized them (or groups that benefitted from said actions) is not something any decent person should engage in.

It seems Slugg and Meclazine are yet to evolve past the White Australia policy.

RIGHT! THAT IS IT!

If you *want* childish insults to stew on at your next Socialist Alternative meeting, try this:

Always was, always will be, Aboriginal grog!

Grog never ceded!

[Meclazine for Israel]

Disrespecting indigenous people when belonging to the group that destroyed their way of life and subsequently oppressed and marginalized them (or groups that benefitted from said actions) is not something any decent person should engage in.

That doesn't make any sense. Caring about children in the Aboriginal community because they are being abused is not disrespectful.

Far from it.

[(no subject)]

I support constitutional recognition but it is clear that indigenous activists do not want that - they want a treaty that will retrospectively recognise, i . e. create, Aboriginal sovereignty over Australia - which i oppose and which will never happen anyway.

[Secretary of State Liberal Hack]

I love how in the Australia thread, one of the most far-right posters is a fully paid up member of the labour party.

[CumbrianLefty]

You mean Slugg? 

Nothing would surprise me there tbh.