Australia General Discussion 4.0: It ain’t easy under Albanese

[(no subject)]

I love how in the Australia thread, one of the most far-right posters is a fully paid up member of the labour party.

I am only "right wing" relative to an Australian socialist or communist (i.e. the far left to an average Australian voter).

You and CL would no more know Labor values than you can fly.

[AustralianSwingVoter]

Callide state by-election is tonight, LNP's Bryson Head clearly victorious with 18 booths in with LNP down about 15% on primaries to One Nation, who didn't run in Callide last election thanks to a deal with the former incumbent Boyce.

[CumbrianLefty]

You and CL would no more know Labor values than you can fly.

Heh, you have no idea of my general political positioning do you.

[(no subject)]

Supporting Labor's own policies on Israel and unauthorised boat arrivals does not make me right wing.

[CumbrianLefty]

Ah right, good old horseshoe theory.

[(no subject)]

McKim, Bandt etc. want to bring back pre-1980s nonsense such as deficit spending etc. etc. You cannot move forward by looking back.

[CumbrianLefty]

In other words, normal sensible economics to anyone whose brain hasn't turned into neoliberal mush.

[(no subject)]

In other words, gone for 40 years in the West and not coming back outside the dreams of Corbyn's Ten Pound Trots. British Labour needs to reinstate an actual membership fee and a 12 months of membership before you can vote for Labour's leader. Weed out the trots and tankies.

[MaxQue]

In other words, gone for 40 years in the West and not coming back outside the dreams of Corbyn's Ten Pound Trots. British Labour needs to reinstate an actual membership fee and a 12 months of membership before you can vote for Labour's leader. Weed out the trots and tankies.

You're aware Canada and most provinces of it actually removed their balanced budget laws in the last years?

[(no subject)]

Once again, we see that women haters' best friends are often women themselves. Thank you, loose lipped TV person.

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/trial-for-alleged-higgins-rapist-delayed/ar-AAYFWSj?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=9723ff6fd8f144219bae290470e16919

[GoTfan]

Once again, we see that women haters' best friends are often women themselves. Thank you, loose lipped TV person.

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/trial-for-alleged-higgins-rapist-delayed/ar-AAYFWSj?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=9723ff6fd8f144219bae290470e16919

How about you do everyone a favour and stop derailing the thread?

[CumbrianLefty]

In other words, gone for 40 years in the West and not coming back outside the dreams of Corbyn's Ten Pound Trots. British Labour needs to reinstate an actual membership fee and a 12 months of membership before you can vote for Labour's leader. Weed out the trots and tankies.

I first joined the party four decades ago, pal.

[Ebowed]

I love how in the Australia thread, one of the most far-right posters is a fully paid up member of the labour party.

The major parties are very paternalistic and that can manifest in different ways.  There are a lot of rank-and-file Labor members who are total racists (I've known several), just as there are in the LNP.  Likewise, many lifetime Labor and Coalition voters strongly oppose Australia's treatment of refugees, particularly among religious communities.  I was talking to a guy who works in the defence industry (and Liberal supporter) the other day who says Australia needs to double its population through immigration intake.  I think you'd find some very strong hostility towards that sentiment among the Labor faithful...

That being said, personally, I'm not sure that the debate over indigenous recognition is going to be successful on its current trajectory.  The original conversation was around simply recognising them in the constitution; after the Uluru statement five years ago, that shifted to the 'Voice to Parliament'.  There are persuasive reasons for and against it.  Similar bodies operated fairly noncontroversially until being dismantled by the Howard government, but it is important to prevent the overt appearance of laws being applied differently on the basis of race.  The irony, is of course, that they already are (against indigenous people, obviously).  Nonetheless it's fair to have concerns over the codification of that premise.

What Slugg is getting at is that the conversation among the most vocal activists (largely affiliated with the Greens) increasingly sounds like the Voice to Parliament is only the starting point towards returning sovereignty to the traditional custodians, and if Albanese doesn't manage the discourse carefully (and it will also depend on what the Opposition does), there is a risk that what he is proposing will be conflated with something more extreme.

Potentially some of the opponents of a Voice will actually be recent immigrants, of which Australia has many.  The growing attacks on Australia Day, which is largely associated with citizenship ceremonies among immigrant communities, have fallen flat with many of Australia's non-indigenous racial minorities.  (Also, while we're speaking in racial generalities about racism, many first- and second-generation immigrants from Europe seem to be reflexively anti-woke.)

[(no subject)]

I love how in the Australia thread, one of the most far-right posters is a fully paid up member of the labour party.

(Also, while we're speaking in racial generalities about racism, many first- and second-generation immigrants from Europe seem to be reflexively anti-woke.)

Indeed - Blaxland - the most Muslim federal electorate - voted strongly against marriage equality in the postal survey. A lot of Aussie leftists twisted themselves into knots about that. Hee Hee Hee.

see here - http://psephos.adam-carr.net/countries/a/australia/2022guide/reps/blax/blaxland2022.shtml

[PSOL]

Honestly a lot of opposition from gay marriage in these communities are from butthurt small businessmen angsty at not having silk white twinks and instead having sex with their portly wives.

More importantly, Sunriso my boi, is derailing this thread over a bad election result really worth not trying to go clubbing to find a special one? Your seriously choosing s•••posting atlas over finding the one; a gay Jewish Latino Republican who voted for Lil’ Marco in 2016? Take it from a fellow addict man, this isn’t the life you want to be living.

[GoTfan]

I love how in the Australia thread, one of the most far-right posters is a fully paid up member of the labour party.

(Also, while we're speaking in racial generalities about racism, many first- and second-generation immigrants from Europe seem to be reflexively anti-woke.)

Indeed - Blaxland - the most Muslim federal electorate - voted strongly against marriage equality in the postal survey. A lot of Aussie leftists twisted themselves into knots about that. Hee Hee Hee.

see here - http://psephos.adam-carr.net/countries/a/australia/2022guide/reps/blax/blaxland2022.shtml

Sorry mate, you lost all credibility when you said my grandparents swung from a rope.

[(no subject)]

I love how in the Australia thread, one of the most far-right posters is a fully paid up member of the labour party.

(Also, while we're speaking in racial generalities about racism, many first- and second-generation immigrants from Europe seem to be reflexively anti-woke.)

Indeed - Blaxland - the most Muslim federal electorate - voted strongly against marriage equality in the postal survey. A lot of Aussie leftists twisted themselves into knots about that. Hee Hee Hee.

see here - http://psephos.adam-carr.net/countries/a/australia/2022guide/reps/blax/blaxland2022.shtml

Sorry mate, you lost all credibility when you said my grandparents swung from a rope.

You do know i stole that joke from Red Dwarf?

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103521/characters/nm0001177

[GoTfan]

I love how in the Australia thread, one of the most far-right posters is a fully paid up member of the labour party.

(Also, while we're speaking in racial generalities about racism, many first- and second-generation immigrants from Europe seem to be reflexively anti-woke.)

Indeed - Blaxland - the most Muslim federal electorate - voted strongly against marriage equality in the postal survey. A lot of Aussie leftists twisted themselves into knots about that. Hee Hee Hee.

see here - http://psephos.adam-carr.net/countries/a/australia/2022guide/reps/blax/blaxland2022.shtml

Sorry mate, you lost all credibility when you said my grandparents swung from a rope.

You do know i stole that joke from Red Dwarf?

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103521/characters/nm0001177

Don't care. Not at all acceptable to make in the slightest.

[(no subject)]

It wasnt a lynching joke. The joke is about Lister being so slobby he's barely moved on from an ape.

[TiltsAreUnderrated]

I love how in the Australia thread, one of the most far-right posters is a fully paid up member of the labour party.

(Also, while we're speaking in racial generalities about racism, many first- and second-generation immigrants from Europe seem to be reflexively anti-woke.)

Indeed - Blaxland - the most Muslim federal electorate - voted strongly against marriage equality in the postal survey. A lot of Aussie leftists twisted themselves into knots about that. Hee Hee Hee.

see here - http://psephos.adam-carr.net/countries/a/australia/2022guide/reps/blax/blaxland2022.shtml

Sorry mate, you lost all credibility when you said my grandparents swung from a rope.

You do know i stole that joke from Red Dwarf?

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103521/characters/nm0001177

If true, perhaps even worse the bog standard racism. Red Dwarf ran itself into the ground within a couple of seasons and became incredibly stale.

[(no subject)]

My great grand-father fought in WWI. And for those who think the Germany of the Kaiser was “better” than Herr Hitler, my great grand-father and his mates knew Wilhelm II was certainly worth fighting to stop and they rightly viewed pacifism as cowardice and defeatism and would have regarded Bandt and his band with utter contempt.

[GoTfan]

Slugg just conveniently ignoring that the "Whiny inner city lefties" who were being slagged off by people like him for years just cost the Coalition the government.

[(no subject)]

The Greens national vote is only just above what they got at their peak in 2010. 88 percent of voters did *not* vote for the Greens and they do not have mass appeal or a mandate.

The Teals aren't left wingers. They wouldn't have won places like Kooyong etc. if they were.

[Meclazine for Israel]

The Greens national vote is only just above what they got at their peak in 2010. 88 percent of voters did *not* vote for the Greens and they do not have mass appeal or a mandate.

The Teals aren't left wingers. They wouldn't have won places like Kooyong etc. if they were.

My Teal that I like Kate Chaney is niece of a former Liberal senator, Fred Chaney.

She is just a new breed of business savvy women coming through. Let's give her a chance and see what she's got.

[(no subject)]

The Greens national vote is only just above what they got at their peak in 2010. 88 percent of voters did *not* vote for the Greens and they do not have mass appeal or a mandate.

The Teals aren't left wingers. They wouldn't have won places like Kooyong etc. if they were.

My Teal that I like Kate Chaney is niece of a former Liberal senator, Fred Chaney.

She is just a new breed of business savvy women coming through. Let's give her a chance and see what she's got.

Bandt wants people to believe that the Greens taking a seat off the Liberals means that their left (and far left such as Rhiannon, Shoebridge, Thorpe et al) politics suddenly appeals to LNP supporters. In reality, the demographics of that seat have changed and it wasn't conservative voters that gave the Greens that seat.