SENATE BILL: Combating Asian Hate Crimes (Passed)
       |           

Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
April 30, 2024, 05:04:42 AM
News: Election Simulator 2.0 Released. Senate/Gubernatorial maps, proportional electoral votes, and more - Read more

  Talk Elections
  Atlas Fantasy Elections
  Atlas Fantasy Government (Moderators: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee, Lumine)
  SENATE BILL: Combating Asian Hate Crimes (Passed)
« previous next »
Pages: [1] 2
Author Topic: SENATE BILL: Combating Asian Hate Crimes (Passed)  (Read 1124 times)
Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee
North Carolina Yankee
Moderator
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 54,118
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« on: May 23, 2021, 10:42:42 AM »
« edited: July 02, 2021, 02:30:52 AM by Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee »

Quote
SENATE BILL
To condemn the rise in hate crimes against the Asian community and provide for better reporting of the same and other purposes.

Be it enacted in both Houses of Congress Assembled,
Quote
Combating Anti-Asian Hate Crimes.

This act hereby recognises and condemns the rise in anti-Asian bigotry, hate crimes and violence both in Atlasia and across the world.

1.) Commission.

A.) A commission is hereby created to coordinate state, regional and federal law enforcement bodies and other relevant public bodies to reduce anti-Asian hate crimes in Atlasia. This commission shall consist of individuals appointed by the Attorney General.

2.) Data.

A.) Federal Law Enforcement bodies shall collect data on the number of asian hate crimes, and be required to report these numbers on an annual basis.

B.) Local, state-wide and regional law enforcement shall hereby receive support from the department of Justice to establish online reporting of hate crimes or incidents, with said data available on a monthly and yearly basis.

C.) $50 million in training grants shall hereby be appropriated to improve the reporting of hate crimes and to expand co-operation and inter-agency working practices.

People's Regional Senate
Pending

Sponsor: Blair
Senate Designation: SB30:07 I think
Logged
Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee
North Carolina Yankee
Moderator
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 54,118
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2021, 10:44:02 AM »

Initial Debate Period, Sponsor has 24 hours to commence advocacy, the rest of the members 48 hours to respond.
Logged
Blair
Blair2015
Atlas Politician
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 11,847
United Kingdom


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2021, 03:55:40 PM »

This is a bill that largely aims to improve the recording of hate crimes: when I read around this subject recently one of the biggest issues cited was how few departments even monitoring or recording anti Asian hate crimes.

This bill is also one that I very much want to add more to; I got a bit of writers block while drafting it and thought it would be better to submit like this rather than giving up.
Logged
SevenEleven
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 5,603


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2021, 10:21:03 PM »

I strongly support this bill. At first glance, I see no glaring issues, but combating hatred and violence must be an absolute priority.
Logged
Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee
North Carolina Yankee
Moderator
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 54,118
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2021, 06:32:06 PM »

In response to the sponsors "writer's block", an issue I seem to get frequently these days amazingly, how does this compare to actions both legislative and not taken to respond to hate crimes in other communities?

I think that combined with a basis in what we have done that is cross applicable, would be a good way to determine what other appropriate steps need to be taken.
Logged
Senator-elect Spark
Spark498
Atlas Politician
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 9,714
United States


Political Matrix
E: -6.58, S: 0.00

P P P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2021, 09:34:31 AM »

I am in full support of this bill.
Logged
Blair
Blair2015
Atlas Politician
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 11,847
United Kingdom


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2021, 04:42:24 PM »

In response to the sponsors "writer's block", an issue I seem to get frequently these days amazingly, how does this compare to actions both legislative and not taken to respond to hate crimes in other communities?

I think that combined with a basis in what we have done that is cross applicable, would be a good way to determine what other appropriate steps need to be taken.

My understanding is that most common problem is that there's no reporting at all (regardless of race)

This is why I didn't make it specific within 2B about what the hate crime reporting was; I'll have a look at what other legislative work has been done on this too.
Logged
Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee
North Carolina Yankee
Moderator
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 54,118
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2021, 11:53:01 AM »

In response to the sponsors "writer's block", an issue I seem to get frequently these days amazingly, how does this compare to actions both legislative and not taken to respond to hate crimes in other communities?

I think that combined with a basis in what we have done that is cross applicable, would be a good way to determine what other appropriate steps need to be taken.

My understanding is that most common problem is that there's no reporting at all (regardless of race)

This is why I didn't make it specific within 2B about what the hate crime reporting was; I'll have a look at what other legislative work has been done on this too.


So if we have the reporting, then the presumption of the "common problem", is that existing statutes and procedures and penalties are sufficient to handle the problem from there basically?
Logged
Blair
Blair2015
Atlas Politician
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 11,847
United Kingdom


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2021, 04:02:20 PM »

In response to the sponsors "writer's block", an issue I seem to get frequently these days amazingly, how does this compare to actions both legislative and not taken to respond to hate crimes in other communities?

I think that combined with a basis in what we have done that is cross applicable, would be a good way to determine what other appropriate steps need to be taken.

My understanding is that most common problem is that there's no reporting at all (regardless of race)

This is why I didn't make it specific within 2B about what the hate crime reporting was; I'll have a look at what other legislative work has been done on this too.


So if we have the reporting, then the presumption of the "common problem", is that existing statutes and procedures and penalties are sufficient to handle the problem from there basically?

Broadly yes; although there is more that can be done through education, extra awareness etc
Logged
President Punxsutawney Phil
TimTurner
Atlas Politician
Atlas Legend
*****
Posts: 41,393
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2021, 04:14:12 PM »
« Edited: June 05, 2021, 04:47:40 PM by Southern Deputy Speaker Punxsutawney Phil »

The commission ought to consider the inherent vagueness and subjectiveness of the nature of the designation in practice.
I recall reading somewhere (in a Xahar post, iirc) that hate crime status is often added on in investigative phase and not reviewed in the vast majority of cases. There is a valid argument to the idea that hate crime status says more about how we as a society see crimes rather than anything about the crimes themselves. This means that frequently it is wishcasting. If it's not fashionable to see something as a hate crime, it won't get labelled as one, and vice versa.
Logged
Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee
North Carolina Yankee
Moderator
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 54,118
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2021, 11:40:01 AM »

The commission ought to consider the inherent vagueness and subjectiveness of the nature of the designation in practice.
I recall reading somewhere (in a Xahar post, iirc) that hate crime status is often added on in investigative phase and not reviewed in the vast majority of cases. There is a valid argument to the idea that hate crime status says more about how we as a society see crimes rather than anything about the crimes themselves. This means that frequently it is wishcasting. If it's not fashionable to see something as a hate crime, it won't get labelled as one, and vice versa.

Kind of like how in the post 911 world, how only Islamic originated terrorism is seen as terrorism in some eyes.
Logged
Blair
Blair2015
Atlas Politician
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 11,847
United Kingdom


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #11 on: June 09, 2021, 04:38:15 PM »

The commission ought to consider the inherent vagueness and subjectiveness of the nature of the designation in practice.
I recall reading somewhere (in a Xahar post, iirc) that hate crime status is often added on in investigative phase and not reviewed in the vast majority of cases. There is a valid argument to the idea that hate crime status says more about how we as a society see crimes rather than anything about the crimes themselves. This means that frequently it is wishcasting. If it's not fashionable to see something as a hate crime, it won't get labelled as one, and vice versa.

This is interesting- it’s similar I suppose to how LGBT hate crimes laws were once opposed because people wanted to pretend that it either didn’t exist or even worse... was justified. I’ll look into getting this into the bill but happy to hear more on it from you and others
Logged
President Punxsutawney Phil
TimTurner
Atlas Politician
Atlas Legend
*****
Posts: 41,393
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2021, 01:24:54 AM »
« Edited: June 16, 2021, 01:36:11 AM by Southern Deputy Speaker Punxsutawney Phil »

The commission ought to consider the inherent vagueness and subjectiveness of the nature of the designation in practice.
I recall reading somewhere (in a Xahar post, iirc) that hate crime status is often added on in investigative phase and not reviewed in the vast majority of cases. There is a valid argument to the idea that hate crime status says more about how we as a society see crimes rather than anything about the crimes themselves. This means that frequently it is wishcasting. If it's not fashionable to see something as a hate crime, it won't get labelled as one, and vice versa.

This is interesting- it’s similar I suppose to how LGBT hate crimes laws were once opposed because people wanted to pretend that it either didn’t exist or even worse... was justified. I’ll look into getting this into the bill but happy to hear more on it from you and others
I guess if there is anything I would add at this point it is that hate crime data is not as "scientific" as it would be in an ideal world, in part because the very concept is fundamentally an effort to distinguish bigotry-driven crimes from non-bigotry-driven crimes, and that is less of a hard break in reality than many would like.
I would favor the creation of a division within the relevant Federal Department who oversees the matter, tasked with looking at hate crimes (and if the resources so exist, crimes that might fairly be considered such but weren't) after the fact and seeing if events over the course of the legal system's proceedings in relation to the deeds show that the initial categorization was warranted. But I understand if that is too mighty of an effort to be feasible.
Logged
Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee
North Carolina Yankee
Moderator
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 54,118
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #13 on: June 22, 2021, 04:59:29 PM »

So where does that leave us here?
Logged
President Punxsutawney Phil
TimTurner
Atlas Politician
Atlas Legend
*****
Posts: 41,393
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2021, 05:06:12 PM »

is my assistance required in writing an amendment or whatnot?
Logged
Blair
Blair2015
Atlas Politician
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 11,847
United Kingdom


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #15 on: June 23, 2021, 04:48:38 PM »

I was going to offer an amendment but on review it doesn't seem like it is actually needed in the bill- at least in what I was hoping for the bill to do.
Logged
Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee
North Carolina Yankee
Moderator
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 54,118
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #16 on: June 26, 2021, 08:48:57 PM »

So proceeding with text as is then?
Logged
Blair
Blair2015
Atlas Politician
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 11,847
United Kingdom


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #17 on: June 27, 2021, 11:16:34 PM »


I’m happy to
Logged
Blair
Blair2015
Atlas Politician
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 11,847
United Kingdom


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #18 on: June 29, 2021, 04:56:19 AM »

Motion for a finale vote- 24 hours to object
Logged
Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee
North Carolina Yankee
Moderator
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 54,118
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #19 on: July 01, 2021, 11:20:04 AM »

A final vote is now open here, Senators please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.
Logged
Senator-elect Spark
Spark498
Atlas Politician
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 9,714
United States


Political Matrix
E: -6.58, S: 0.00

P P P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #20 on: July 01, 2021, 11:22:40 AM »

Aye
Logged
Left Wing
FalterinArc
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 3,525
United Kingdom


Political Matrix
E: -8.26, S: -6.09


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #21 on: July 01, 2021, 11:26:06 AM »

Aye
Logged
Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee
North Carolina Yankee
Moderator
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 54,118
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #22 on: July 01, 2021, 11:39:37 AM »

Aye
Logged
Blair
Blair2015
Atlas Politician
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 11,847
United Kingdom


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #23 on: July 01, 2021, 12:26:08 PM »

Aye
Logged
Pericles
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 17,110


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #24 on: July 01, 2021, 04:23:45 PM »

Aye
Logged
Pages: [1] 2  
« previous next »
Jump to:  


Login with username, password and session length

Terms of Service - DMCA Agent and Policy - Privacy Policy and Cookies

Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines

Page created in 0.051 seconds with 12 queries.