Sentencing for the following crimes.

[© tweed]

1.  Woman living in poverty steals a loaf of bread to feed her family: Community Service

2.  Robbing a bank: 5 years

3.  Vehicular Manslaughter (unintentional): Suspended License, optional jail time

4.  Vehicular manslaughter (under the influence): Suspended license, 10-15 yrs

5.  Possession of Child Pornography: nominal small fine (assuming they downloaded it off of Limewire or something, it's a different issue if they filmed it)

6.  Possession of one ounce marijuana: none

7.  1st Degree Rape: 25 yrs

8.  1st Degree Murder: 25 yrs to life

9.  Possession of illegal firearm: 2-5 years

10.  Treason: 25 yrs

Of course, every single figure I posted is incredibly arbitrary.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Hmmm, interesting. I'll answer this again then check my old answers:

1.  Woman living in poverty steals a loaf of bread to feed her family - like 4 hours community service plus fine for the price of the bread.

2.  Robbing a bank - Depends on how it's done...I'll say ranging from 10 years to life depending on the methods and amount taken.

3.  Vehicular Manslaughter (unintentional) - Nothing if purely accidental, if caused by very reckless driving loss of license plus probation and stiff fine, if in illegal street racing loss of license for life plus 5 year sentence (and I would support this in street racing cases even if no deaths occur.)

4.  Vehicular manslaughter (under the influence) - Loss of license, sentence of a year but up to 10 years for further violations/probation violation.

5.  Possession of Child Pornography - If it just some random video they downloaded off the internet nothing but a harsh warning. If they actually have stockpiles of the stuff up to 10 years.

6.  Possession of one ounce marijuana - Nothing.

7.  1st Degree Rape - 20 years

8.  1st Degree Murder - Life without parole

9.  Possession of illegal firearm - Depends on the weapon and previous criminal record...I'll say ranging from a $500 fine to 5 years for just one weapon. 10 years to life for illegal arms dealing depending on the scale of operation and how it's done.

10.  Treason - Depends greatly on definition, ranges from loss of security clearance to life.

[Sewer]

1.  Woman living in poverty steals a loaf of bread to feed her family - Community service

2.  Robbing a bank - Banishment

3.  Vehicular Manslaughter (unintentional) -

4.  Vehicular manslaughter (under the influence) -

5.  Possession of Child Pornography - Life without parole

6.  Possession of one ounce marijuana - Nothing

7.  1st Degree Rape - Life without parole

8.  1st Degree Murder - Life without parole

9.  Possession of illegal firearm - Banishment

10.  Treason - Exile or Life without parole

[© tweed]

why does it matter if someone is in possession of child porn?

[Sewer]

why does it matter if someone is in possession of child porn?

what is this i don't even

[© tweed]

are you generally accepted to be a 'real' poster or not?  before I engage you in discussion.

[Boris]

why does it matter if someone is in possession of child porn?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2lBk1apr-w&feature=related

[Mechaman]

1.  Woman living in poverty steals a loaf of bread to feed her family - Community Service and maybe Jury Duty

2.  Robbing a bank - Depending on the severity: 18 months to 5 years, unless the perps killed someone in the process, then it's treated as murder.

3.  Vehicular Manslaughter (unintentional) - Revoke license and make driver wait two years (at least) before getting license back. They must also take 100 hours of driving school before they are able to retake the test.

4.  Vehicular manslaughter (under the influence) - 2 years in jail.

5.  Possession of Child Pornography - Tell them to keep it in their pants, but don't punish for the act of possession.

6.  Possession of one ounce marijuana - Smoke that sh*t.

7.  1st Degree Rape - 20 years to life in a jail cell as someone's bitch.

8.  1st Degree Murder - Life in prison (depending on severity parole may or may not be possible) as someone's bitch.

9.  Possession of illegal firearm - Nothing, there should be no such thing.

10.  Treason - Depends on severity. If there is no loss of life, 5-15 years.
If the treason results in lives lost=Life in Prison without the possibility of parole.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

why does it matter if someone is in possession of child porn?

They're funding the rings that produce it and give them a reason to create it.

[© tweed]

why does it matter if someone is in possession of child porn?

They're funding the rings that produce it and give them a reason to create it.

identical logic to locking up drug users, which I believe you have stated many times to not be your position.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I'm not against mandatory rehab though.

The biggest difference though is it's impossible to create child pornography without exploiting and abusing children in the process. Remember I'm not talking about someone who downloaded a video off the internet with someone in it who turned out to be a few months younger than 18 as stated in my post, but if someone is actually getting magazines of that stuff mailed to them or has a subscription to a site that's an active involvement. At the very least they could at least be threatened with jail unless they assisted in shutting down the ring.

[Associate Justice PiT]

1.  Woman living in poverty steals a loaf of bread to feed her family - cost of the loaf of bread

2.  Robbing a bank - reimbursement for any property damage as well as for lost income of any persons killed or maimed, to their families.

3.  Vehicular Manslaughter (unintentional) - reimbursement for lost income of any persons killed or maimed.

4.  Vehicular manslaughter (under the influence) - same as #3.

5.  Possession of Child Pornography - reimbursement for an amount equal to what any restorative surgery due to physical/sexual abuse & counselling for the children involved would cost, assuming they were the ones who took the pictures. Otherwise nothing.

6.  Possession of one ounce marijuana - nothing.

7.  1st Degree Rape - reimbursement for any income lost, surgery, & counselling.

8.  1st Degree Murder - reimbursement for income lost.

9.  Possession of illegal firearm - nothing.

10.  Treason - nothing.

[dead0man]

1.  Woman living in poverty steals a loaf of bread to feed her family-a job

2.  Robbing a bank-(assuming a weapon was used) 20 years for everybody that was in any danger from him

3.  Vehicular Manslaughter (unintentional)-nothing

4.  Vehicular manslaughter (under the influence)-20 years each life, large amounts of money paid to victims family

5.  Possession of Child Pornography-depend on a lot of variables.  From nothing to life in custody.

6.  Possession of one ounce marijuana-nothing

7.  1st Degree Rape-20 years

8.  1st Degree Murder-life in custody or death

9.  Possession of illegal firearm-depends.  From nothing to 20 years.

10.  Treason-depends.  From little (a month in the can) to death

[dead0man]

7.  1st Degree Rape - reimbursement for any income lost, surgery, & counselling.

8.  1st Degree Murder - reimbursement for income lost.

So rich people can rape and kill at will?

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heh?  If somebody sells a secret to the "bad guys" and that secret leads to the death of Americans and they are caught, they should be let go?

[Scam of God]

1.  Woman living in poverty steals a loaf of bread to feed her family - The cost of the bread

2.  Robbing a bank - Reimbursement for cost of any repairs, as well as turning over the stolen property.

3.  Vehicular Manslaughter (unintentional) - Reimbursement for funeral arrangements, lost income, and hospital bills.

4.  Vehicular manslaughter (under the influence) - See above.

5.  Possession of Child Pornography - Payment for treatment of the child and turning over all equipment related to its production if producing. Nothing for possession.

6.  Possession of one ounce marijuana - None.

7.  1st Degree Rape - See numbers two and three.

8.  1st Degree Murder - See number seven.

9.  Possession of illegal firearm - Nothing.

10.  Treason - Nothing.

It is remarkable how much PiT and I agree on this.

[dead0man]

why does it matter if someone is in possession of child porn?

They're funding the rings that produce it and give them a reason to create it.

identical logic to locking up drug users, which I believe you have stated many times to not be your position.

Right because ethically speaking making meth or growing pot is the exact same as raping children or pimping out your preteen daughters.

[Associate Justice PiT]

7.  1st Degree Rape - reimbursement for any income lost, surgery, & counselling.

8.  1st Degree Murder - reimbursement for income lost.

So rich people can rape and kill at will?

     Reimbursement need not be monetary. If the victim or his/her family so demands, the offender could be subjected to forced servitude, with any fruits thereof going directly to the victim or his/her family.

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heh?  If somebody sells a secret to the "bad guys" and that secret leads to the death of Americans and they are caught, they should be let go?
[/quote]

     Well my point was that treason shouldn't exist as an actual crime. If somebody does that, they should be charged with murder of anyone who dies as a result, but not with any crime called treason.

[Scam of God]

Well my point was that treason shouldn't exist as an actual crime. If somebody does that, they could be charged with murder of anyone who dies as a result, but not with any crime called treason.

Concurred. The existence of a branch of criminality called 'treason' implicitly places the value of an abstract collective in the nation ahead of the real, malleable, quantifiable effects that 'treason' might have on breathing and living individuals. If a 'traitor' sells the plans to a bomb that kills ten thousand people, let him be charged with ten thousand counts of murder. If another 'traitor' breaks the embargo with Cuba and sells bread at low cost to the poor, give him a medal.

[dead0man]

7.  1st Degree Rape - reimbursement for any income lost, surgery, & counselling.

8.  1st Degree Murder - reimbursement for income lost.

So rich people can rape and kill at will?

     Reimbursement need not be monetary. If the victim or his/her family so demands, the offender could be subjected to forced servitude, with any fruits thereof going directly to the victim or his/her family.

But how many people are going to make Bill Gates Jr cut their grass for the next X number of years versus the number that are going to take the $20million buy out?  It seems to me that this system would benefit the haves over the have nots worse than the current system which is already awfully unbalanced.

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heh?  If somebody sells a secret to the "bad guys" and that secret leads to the death of Americans and they are caught, they should be let go?
[/quote]

     Well my point was that treason shouldn't exist as an actual crime. If somebody does that, they should be charged with murder of anyone who dies as a result, but not with any crime called treason.
[/quote]Aye, understood.  I still disagree, but I understand better where you are coming from and it makes more sense.

Further on this road, say a Private in the Army tells the bad guys where and when the invasion is going to take place, the good guys find out about it before hand and are forced to use plan B which is a much riskier plan.  150 men end up dying during the execution of plan B, about what the planners expected.  They only expected 20 casualties if they could have used plan A.  What should the Private's punishment be?  What is the name of the crime?

[minionofmidas]

why does it matter if someone is in possession of child porn?

They're funding the rings that produce it and give them a reason to create it.

identical logic to locking up drug users, which I believe you have stated many times to not be your position.

Right because ethically speaking making meth or growing pot is the exact same as raping children or pimping out your preteen daughters.

That hasn't, actually, anything to do with the point raised.

Note rather that the "logic" behind the argument is much more strained in the case of kiddie porn than that of drugs, as you cannot smoke the same weed twice, while the same kiddie porn material apparently resurfaces over and over again for decades (which I suppose might not be true if supply weren't as limited, but there you go.)

[Ebowed]

1.  Woman living in poverty steals a loaf of bread to feed her family - no penalty

2.  Robbing a bank - 5 years jail

3.  Vehicular Manslaughter (unintentional) - 5 years

4.  Vehicular manslaughter (under the influence) - 5 years

5.  Possession of Child Pornography - fine of $10,000 or 1 year

6.  Possession of one ounce marijuana - no penalty

7.  1st Degree Rape - 5 years

8.  1st Degree Murder - 20 years to life

9.  Possession of illegal firearm - fine of $10,000 or 1 year

10.  Treason - 20 years to life

[Alexander Hamilton]

Treason assumes loyalty to a particular state.

[Scam of God]

Treason assumes loyalty to a particular state.

And should it apply to those of us who feel no particular loyalty to the State under which we, by accident of birth, exist?

[Alexander Hamilton]

Treason assumes loyalty to a particular state.

And should it apply to those of us who feel no particular loyalty to the State under which we, by accident of birth, exist?

Did I imply that? At all?

[opebo]

1.  Woman living in poverty steals a loaf of bread to feed her family - A generous dole, food stamps, rent subsidy, medical care, etc.

2.  Robbing a bank - no weapon, restitution/probation.  Weapon - 5 years.

3.  Vehicular Manslaughter (unintentional) - restitution, punitive damages.

4.  Vehicular manslaughter (under the influence) - as above, but also revocation of license.

5.  Possession of Child Pornography - none

6.  Possession of one ounce marijuana - None.

7.  1st Degree Rape - 5 years.

8.  1st Degree Murder - at least 20 years.

9.  Possession of illegal firearm - confiscation, probation.

10.  Treason - exile