2021 Philadelphia District Attorney Race - Larry Krasner vs Carlos Vega

[Suburbia]

Krasner should win, but yes it will probably be closer than expected. The left's hardcore anti-police stance is very alienating to everyone but the most devoted of professional activists.

I'm glad you're seeing it now......it's not good when you have cops on TikTok and social media espousing the views of a major political party (GOP) when they are supposed to be apolitical and public servants.....................

Vega wins by 1-2 points....I see some African-Americans going for Vega as well.....a lot of cops will vote in this primary because the GOP will NEVER win there...

A lot of Republicans and conservadems will vote for Vega, even if he is endorsed by the police unions..

[Suburbia]

Krasner should win, but yes it will probably be closer than expected. The left's hardcore anti-police stance is very alienating to everyone but the most devoted of professional activists.

Those damn progressives, demanding that police be held accountable for killing unarmed black people . . .

Yes, police should be held accountable for killing unarmed black people, but you don't go around threatening officers and chanting "what do we want dead cops"...what does that do to solve police brutality? What does that do?

[Suburbia]

Ed Rendell has endorsed Carlos Vega. Krasner won in 7 man primary with 38% of the vote(59,000 votes), so there's a good chance he'll be knocked off with NE Philly turnout alone.

Rendell is seen as a tough on crime 1990s moderate Democrat....he is in a sense...that's why he was effective as Philadelphia mayor....used that formula to win the 2002 Pennsylvania governorship.....

Isn't the Rendell formula bygone in the modern Democratic Party?

[Suburbia]

Murder rates have been increasing since Larry Krasner took office. Consistently, Krasner has been weak even when it comes to serious crime, procuring way-too-low sentences for murders and other violent offenders. I don't like Bill McSwain but I'm glad he stepped in at times!! Other crimes aren't even getting reported because Krasner has signaled that he won't go after the perps. For instance, shoplifters are getting treated with kiddy gloves even as they steal from small businesses that are already struggling during COVID-19.

Morale at the DA's office, even among people aligned with Krasner's agenda, is low. He came in, fired a bunch of ADAs (decimating the office's infrastructure), and has failed to properly rebuild it. In addition, it's not just about holding the police accountable. Carlos Vega has done that before, actually prosecuting bad cops. Larry Krasner goes out of his way to antagonize law enforcement and in so doing, ignores victims and their families. We need more police accountability, sure. But that's gotta have buy-in and stem from a productive relationship. Krasner will not get us there.

Oh, and Krasner attacking Vega for the FOP endorsement (which is literally just an anti-Krasner marriage of convenience b/c Vega is a reformer) is silly because Krasner tried to get their endorsement in 2017.

Fwiw, I still think Krasner will win around 60-40. Vega's not a perfect candidate, although I like him and will be voting for him. I don't know if the Northeast + Riverwards + South + Latino areas are enough turnout to get Vega over the line. That said, Vega's got some impressive endorsements and the wards who have not yet made a choice could well put his name on there come election day. The local Democratic Pary refusing to endorse either candidate is a big deal because they almost always pick the incumbent.

Why are people assuming Latinos/Latino areas are going to vote Vega?

Also, please show me where Vega has actually held police accountable? There is a reason the police unions are endorsing him - because they think he'll be a friend.

And also please cite Krasner trying to get the FOP endorsement in 2017. The FOP *never* endorses Democrats. Ever. They're pretty openly a (very corrupt) Republican-supporting organization. So it doesn't sound like they actually endorsed Vega, but are shadily helping Vega anyway they can since they hate Krasner so much.

Yes, the FOP hates far left Democrats and probably far right Libertarians. They endorse moderate Democrats and conservative Republicans--that's the national FOP and local FOPs. Some FOPs have no other choice to endorse Democrats because in some cities there are no Republicans. Philadelphia doesn't have a strong Republican presence like NYC, Northeast Philly is the FOP's base.

[Suburbia]

The bottom line is, Vega is clearly Republican-lite, and that's the last thing the city needs.

True, but crime needs to be contained. Krasner is seen as a soft on crime leftist and the cops and him don't get along. You can criticize police officers, but don't make it in a way where the police and prosecutor don't get along at all and tensions simmer, as it is now.

Krasner will be used by the Bucks County GOP/PAGOP to drive up white suburban turnout in 2022, so he will have to prepare for that.

When a police officer was killed in the line of duty last year, Krasner tried to visit the victim's family at the hospital, but cops lined up in a wall to prevent him from going in...

https://www.inquirer.com/news/cop-shot-philadelphia-police-officer-20200313.html

You can't be so antipolice that police don't want anything to do with you....

Both Vega and Krasner are not so good candidates, there should be someone who doesn't bow down to neither the police unions and the anarchists.

[Suburbia]

So far I've heard it's slowing going and there is low turnout across the city. That bodes well for Vega.

We will see.....

[Suburbia]

Not from Philly, so this is not first-hand info, but one of my Philly contacts told me there are folks distributing pro-Vega pamphlets with no “paid for by” disclaimer.  Vega campaign saying they aren’t sanctioning it, while the distributors are saying the Vega campaign is paying them.   😅

 . . . is that even legal?

Absolutely not.

If Krasner loses, so help me, God, I will f***ing pissed.

If he loses, he needs to realize that there is a need for police. Attack police brutality, not police officers and their families as a whole

[Suburbia]

If Krasner wins, the FOP will go ballistic, but oh well.

Police unions should not endorse candidates for their bidding....

The FOP and Krasner will continue to feud

Krasner needs to focus on prosecuting murderers, etc or else Philly will have violent crime every summer.... a lot of cops don't even want to deal with Philly anymore

He may not even run again in 2025, he may run for Mayor of Philly in 2023 or Senate in 2024

[Suburbia]

If Krasner wins, the FOP will go ballistic, but oh well.

Police unions should not endorse candidates for their bidding....

The FOP and Krasner will continue to feud

Krasner needs to focus on prosecuting murderers, etc or else Philly will have violent crime every summer.... a lot of cops don't even want to deal with Philly anymore

He may not even run again in 2025, he may run for Mayor of Philly in 2023 or Senate in 2024

Krasner has no chance of winning statewide, but Mayor probably wouldn't be impossible.

How do you think the relationship with him and the FOP will look like in a second term?

[Suburbia]

Suburbia on suicide watch

No I am not. I don't like either candidates, Krasner and Vega both are underwhelming....

Krasner is going to have a challenge with the FOP, a lot of cops don't want him at their funerals like the way de Blasio was treated in 2014.

[Suburbia]

Police unions should rethink their strategy. You can only take so many high profile losses before politicans stop respecting you.
Police unions thought they could punish NY state senate democrats over bail reform. Only for dems to gain a supermajority.
They thought the rising (gun) crime would make Krasner vulnerable. Only to lose by 30 points.

The playbook police unions sucessfuly used for decades isn't working anymore. The parties have sorted themselves and tough on crime is now rather unpopular in deep blue areas. At some point police unions will have to make a decision. Either change or become irrelevant as a political force in blue areas.

So places like Somerton, North Philly and Long Island will be irrelevant? Do you think they will be more reactionary or will they adjust their playbooks?

[Suburbia]

The urban wing of the party will keep electing progressives and the suburban wing will keep electing moderates. Both sides need to just deal with this fact and de-emphasize issues that divide the party such as policing, Israel/Palestine.

Do you think a progressive can win the Bucks County DA office, or the Montgomery County DA office?

[Suburbia]

Police unions should rethink their strategy. You can only take so many high profile losses before politicans stop respecting you.
Police unions thought they could punish NY state senate democrats over bail reform. Only for dems to gain a supermajority.
They thought the rising (gun) crime would make Krasner vulnerable. Only to lose by 30 points.

The playbook police unions sucessfuly used for decades isn't working anymore. The parties have sorted themselves and tough on crime is now rather unpopular in deep blue areas. At some point police unions will have to make a decision. Either change or become irrelevant as a political force in blue areas.

That is true, but if crime spikes in these blue cities, you will see the suburbs become more reactionary....on Dom Giordano's show I heard some suburban callers from  saying that they want to build a wall to keep Philadelphians from entering Bucks and Montgomery counties......they need to be accountable on crime, not soft on crime and not draconian like Frank Rizzo or Rudy Giuliani was in the 1960s and 1990s.

Accountable on crime.

But where do police unions find their power now? White ethnic strongholds? Suburbs? Rural areas?

What happens to Democratic prosecutors endorsed by police unions? Primaried? Do city police unions move their offices to the suburbs?

[Suburbia]

Police unions should rethink their strategy. You can only take so many high profile losses before politicans stop respecting you.
Police unions thought they could punish NY state senate democrats over bail reform. Only for dems to gain a supermajority.
They thought the rising (gun) crime would make Krasner vulnerable. Only to lose by 30 points.

The playbook police unions sucessfuly used for decades isn't working anymore. The parties have sorted themselves and tough on crime is now rather unpopular in deep blue areas. At some point police unions will have to make a decision. Either change or become irrelevant as a political force in blue areas.

That is true, but if crime spikes in these blue cities, you will see the suburbs become more reactionary....on Dom Giordano's show I heard some suburban callers from  saying that they want to build a wall to keep Philadelphians from entering Bucks and Montgomery counties......they need to be accountable on crime, not soft on crime and not draconian like Frank Rizzo or Rudy Giuliani was in the 1960s and 1990s.

Accountable on crime.

But where do police unions find their power now? White ethnic strongholds? Suburbs? Rural areas?

What happens to Democratic prosecutors endorsed by police unions? Primaried? Do city police unions move their offices to the suburbs?

Bronz its 2021

I know it is 2021, but cities need to control their crime rates. There is a reason why the suburbs are seen as tough on crime, because of the cities. When you have people like Wendy Williams this morning complaining that NYC is heading back to the 70s and 80s show that it's a serious issue. Covid lockdowns lead to this crime surge, Krasner needs to prosecute those who are doing violent crime.

As for the FOP, they need to change their ways.

[Suburbia]

Police unions should rethink their strategy. You can only take so many high profile losses before politicans stop respecting you.
Police unions thought they could punish NY state senate democrats over bail reform. Only for dems to gain a supermajority.
They thought the rising (gun) crime would make Krasner vulnerable. Only to lose by 30 points.

The playbook police unions sucessfuly used for decades isn't working anymore. The parties have sorted themselves and tough on crime is now rather unpopular in deep blue areas. At some point police unions will have to make a decision. Either change or become irrelevant as a political force in blue areas.

Michael Barone says that the white ethnics are dwindling or they moved to Florida or Texas.....but they are dwindling...

Almost entirely absent in these cities and counties are the white ethnic non-college homeowners who cast crucial votes against soft-on-crime mayors and prosecutors in the 1975-95 high crime years. Staten Island and Queens made Rudy Giuliani Mayor of New York in 1993 and blue collar Delaware suburbs with Philly TV prompted Joe Biden to sponsor the crime bill in 1994.

But most such voters in “reform” prosecutor constituencies have died or moved to Florida or Texas or far-out exurbs. Where they still linger, in downscale Cook County suburbs, they’ve voted anti-“reform.”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/soft-on-crime-prosecutors-may-hang-on-but-national-democrats-may-not/ar-BB1gUPUY?ocid=msedgntp