2021 Philadelphia District Attorney Race - Larry Krasner vs Carlos Vega

[Roronoa D. Law]

And this was supposed to be competitive why?

[Never Made it to Graceland]

With Gainey beating Peduto in PGH, I’m starting to think today was a victory for progressives.

Big victory for progressives so far...pretty much everywhere.

Looks like dems hold SD-22 also.

Except for the idiotic statewide constitutional amendments.

[Lourdes]

Vega has conceded the race.

[PSOL]

Suburbia on suicide watch

[GoTfan]

https://mobile.twitter.com/sbcmw/status/1394853057582833665

[Interlocutor is just not there yet]

Ed Rendell has endorsed Carlos Vega. Krasner won in 7 man primary with 38% of the vote(59,000 votes), so there's a good chance he'll be knocked off with NE Philly turnout alone.

Larry Krasner in a 7-man race:  38.2%     59,368 votes
Carlos Vega in a 2-man race:  ~33.4%   ~62,411 votes

[Gass3268]

FOP attacks backfired on Vega

https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1395022403210780676?s=21

[CityofSinners]

Police unions should rethink their strategy. You can only take so many high profile losses before politicans stop respecting you.
Police unions thought they could punish NY state senate democrats over bail reform. Only for dems to gain a supermajority.
They thought the rising (gun) crime would make Krasner vulnerable. Only to lose by 30 points.

The playbook police unions sucessfuly used for decades isn't working anymore. The parties have sorted themselves and tough on crime is now rather unpopular in deep blue areas. At some point police unions will have to make a decision. Either change or become irrelevant as a political force in blue areas.

[Devils30]

The urban wing of the party will keep electing progressives and the suburban wing will keep electing moderates. Both sides need to just deal with this fact and de-emphasize issues that divide the party such as policing, Israel/Palestine.

[Suburbia]

Suburbia on suicide watch

No I am not. I don't like either candidates, Krasner and Vega both are underwhelming....

Krasner is going to have a challenge with the FOP, a lot of cops don't want him at their funerals like the way de Blasio was treated in 2014.

[Suburbia]

Police unions should rethink their strategy. You can only take so many high profile losses before politicans stop respecting you.
Police unions thought they could punish NY state senate democrats over bail reform. Only for dems to gain a supermajority.
They thought the rising (gun) crime would make Krasner vulnerable. Only to lose by 30 points.

The playbook police unions sucessfuly used for decades isn't working anymore. The parties have sorted themselves and tough on crime is now rather unpopular in deep blue areas. At some point police unions will have to make a decision. Either change or become irrelevant as a political force in blue areas.

So places like Somerton, North Philly and Long Island will be irrelevant? Do you think they will be more reactionary or will they adjust their playbooks?

[Suburbia]

The urban wing of the party will keep electing progressives and the suburban wing will keep electing moderates. Both sides need to just deal with this fact and de-emphasize issues that divide the party such as policing, Israel/Palestine.

Do you think a progressive can win the Bucks County DA office, or the Montgomery County DA office?

[coloradocowboi]

The urban wing of the party will keep electing progressives and the suburban wing will keep electing moderates. Both sides need to just deal with this fact and de-emphasize issues that divide the party such as policing, Israel/Palestine.

Fat chance. The consensus is split, but moving in one direction. Neoliberalism and imperialism are out. Multiethnic democracy and democratic socialism are in. Those who don't like it are welcome to form a third party like they told leftists to for decades.

[Suburbia]

Police unions should rethink their strategy. You can only take so many high profile losses before politicans stop respecting you.
Police unions thought they could punish NY state senate democrats over bail reform. Only for dems to gain a supermajority.
They thought the rising (gun) crime would make Krasner vulnerable. Only to lose by 30 points.

The playbook police unions sucessfuly used for decades isn't working anymore. The parties have sorted themselves and tough on crime is now rather unpopular in deep blue areas. At some point police unions will have to make a decision. Either change or become irrelevant as a political force in blue areas.

That is true, but if crime spikes in these blue cities, you will see the suburbs become more reactionary....on Dom Giordano's show I heard some suburban callers from  saying that they want to build a wall to keep Philadelphians from entering Bucks and Montgomery counties......they need to be accountable on crime, not soft on crime and not draconian like Frank Rizzo or Rudy Giuliani was in the 1960s and 1990s.

Accountable on crime.

But where do police unions find their power now? White ethnic strongholds? Suburbs? Rural areas?

What happens to Democratic prosecutors endorsed by police unions? Primaried? Do city police unions move their offices to the suburbs?

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

The urban wing of the party will keep electing progressives and the suburban wing will keep electing moderates. Both sides need to just deal with this fact and de-emphasize issues that divide the party such as policing, Israel/Palestine.

Fat chance. The consensus is split, but moving in one direction. Neoliberalism and imperialism are out. Multiethnic democracy and democratic socialism are in. Those who don't like it are welcome to form a third party like they told leftists to for decades.

LOL, the party elected officials are roughly 90-10 center-left right now and the far-left has yet to win a single seat outside of locked-down Dem strongholds. And when the whole electorate is tested, it picks center-left democracy by a clear majority every time.

[Roronoa D. Law]

Police unions should rethink their strategy. You can only take so many high profile losses before politicans stop respecting you.
Police unions thought they could punish NY state senate democrats over bail reform. Only for dems to gain a supermajority.
They thought the rising (gun) crime would make Krasner vulnerable. Only to lose by 30 points.

The playbook police unions sucessfuly used for decades isn't working anymore. The parties have sorted themselves and tough on crime is now rather unpopular in deep blue areas. At some point police unions will have to make a decision. Either change or become irrelevant as a political force in blue areas.

That is true, but if crime spikes in these blue cities, you will see the suburbs become more reactionary....on Dom Giordano's show I heard some suburban callers from  saying that they want to build a wall to keep Philadelphians from entering Bucks and Montgomery counties......they need to be accountable on crime, not soft on crime and not draconian like Frank Rizzo or Rudy Giuliani was in the 1960s and 1990s.

Accountable on crime.

But where do police unions find their power now? White ethnic strongholds? Suburbs? Rural areas?

What happens to Democratic prosecutors endorsed by police unions? Primaried? Do city police unions move their offices to the suburbs?

Bronz its 2021

[It’s so Joever]

What do we think about this race? Does it have potential to be closer than expected? Predictions?

As a Philadelphia resident and former Krasner supporter, I was in favor of his criminal justice reform policies like advocating for the abolition of the death penalty, reducing cash bail, focus on rehabilitation, etc. but as of late, there has been very little deterrence and no fear of harsh penalties. However, as of late, the city is headed in the wrong direction IMO.

I believe this has led to the increased violent crime we are seeing in Philadelphia. Things have gotten so bad that it has been the worst year for violent crime in Philadelphia since 1990. Vega, a Democrat, has police organization endorsements. Vega also seems to be exploiting the fact that Krasner's policies have failed the inner city. If DAs in major cities do not enforce the laws and pursue harsher sentences, there is more of a reason to believe that crime will continue to skyrocket.

Vega will do well with Hispanics in North and Northeast Philadelphia in places like Fairhill and Hunting Park, in areas that are more conservative like South Philadelphia, and with police unions.
Krasner will perform best with Progressives and African Americans where turnout is higher.

I could see Vega winning over working class support in minority communities to narrowly win, especially with the current situation in the city.

Here is my map so far: https://www.ourcampaigns.com/RaceDetail.html?RaceID=828150



Asst. DA Carlos Vega (D) - 64,070 votes, 50.69%
Philadelphia District Attorney Lawrence Krasner (D), inc. - 62,325 votes, 49.37%

Strong margins for Vega in NE Philly and droves of cops switching to Dem cost Krasner the nomination. I could be wrong but this is my prediction as of now.

When you hit, you hit well (2016), but when you miss, you miss terribly like today.

[wbrocks67]

The urban wing of the party will keep electing progressives and the suburban wing will keep electing moderates. Both sides need to just deal with this fact and de-emphasize issues that divide the party such as policing, Israel/Palestine.

Do you think a progressive can win the Bucks County DA office, or the Montgomery County DA office?

the latter, yes

[Suburbia]

Police unions should rethink their strategy. You can only take so many high profile losses before politicans stop respecting you.
Police unions thought they could punish NY state senate democrats over bail reform. Only for dems to gain a supermajority.
They thought the rising (gun) crime would make Krasner vulnerable. Only to lose by 30 points.

The playbook police unions sucessfuly used for decades isn't working anymore. The parties have sorted themselves and tough on crime is now rather unpopular in deep blue areas. At some point police unions will have to make a decision. Either change or become irrelevant as a political force in blue areas.

That is true, but if crime spikes in these blue cities, you will see the suburbs become more reactionary....on Dom Giordano's show I heard some suburban callers from  saying that they want to build a wall to keep Philadelphians from entering Bucks and Montgomery counties......they need to be accountable on crime, not soft on crime and not draconian like Frank Rizzo or Rudy Giuliani was in the 1960s and 1990s.

Accountable on crime.

But where do police unions find their power now? White ethnic strongholds? Suburbs? Rural areas?

What happens to Democratic prosecutors endorsed by police unions? Primaried? Do city police unions move their offices to the suburbs?

Bronz its 2021

I know it is 2021, but cities need to control their crime rates. There is a reason why the suburbs are seen as tough on crime, because of the cities. When you have people like Wendy Williams this morning complaining that NYC is heading back to the 70s and 80s show that it's a serious issue. Covid lockdowns lead to this crime surge, Krasner needs to prosecute those who are doing violent crime.

As for the FOP, they need to change their ways.

[Suburbia]

Police unions should rethink their strategy. You can only take so many high profile losses before politicans stop respecting you.
Police unions thought they could punish NY state senate democrats over bail reform. Only for dems to gain a supermajority.
They thought the rising (gun) crime would make Krasner vulnerable. Only to lose by 30 points.

The playbook police unions sucessfuly used for decades isn't working anymore. The parties have sorted themselves and tough on crime is now rather unpopular in deep blue areas. At some point police unions will have to make a decision. Either change or become irrelevant as a political force in blue areas.

Michael Barone says that the white ethnics are dwindling or they moved to Florida or Texas.....but they are dwindling...

Almost entirely absent in these cities and counties are the white ethnic non-college homeowners who cast crucial votes against soft-on-crime mayors and prosecutors in the 1975-95 high crime years. Staten Island and Queens made Rudy Giuliani Mayor of New York in 1993 and blue collar Delaware suburbs with Philly TV prompted Joe Biden to sponsor the crime bill in 1994.

But most such voters in “reform” prosecutor constituencies have died or moved to Florida or Texas or far-out exurbs. Where they still linger, in downscale Cook County suburbs, they’ve voted anti-“reform.”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/soft-on-crime-prosecutors-may-hang-on-but-national-democrats-may-not/ar-BB1gUPUY?ocid=msedgntp

[Devils30]

The urban wing of the party will keep electing progressives and the suburban wing will keep electing moderates. Both sides need to just deal with this fact and de-emphasize issues that divide the party such as policing, Israel/Palestine.

Do you think a progressive can win the Bucks County DA office, or the Montgomery County DA office?

Bucks no chance, MontCo somewhat of one but these voters are suburban center left moderates not urban liberals.

[Devils30]

The urban wing of the party will keep electing progressives and the suburban wing will keep electing moderates. Both sides need to just deal with this fact and de-emphasize issues that divide the party such as policing, Israel/Palestine.

Fat chance. The consensus is split, but moving in one direction. Neoliberalism and imperialism are out. Multiethnic democracy and democratic socialism are in. Those who don't like it are welcome to form a third party like they told leftists to for decades.

The anti-Israel UK labor style wing of the party would cause another 1992 style realignment if they ever got real power. The GOP never recovered from the toxicity from the rise of the religious right and has been stuck scrapping for narrow victories since (have gotten lucky twice). A Dem party that is like Labour might start not just places like MI, WI, PA but ones you would never expect like Rhode Island, New Jersey, Connecticut, Maine. It's not just Jews..Asians and moderate/liberal white Catholics will oppose stuff like eliminating the SAT and standardized tests.

[wbrocks67]

FOP attacks backfired on Vega

https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1395022403210780676?s=21

this is 100% right and anyone with a brain could've seen it coming. the FOP is despised in Philadelphia and known as very corrupt. Not sure why Vega thought latching on to them would be a good idea.

[Interlocutor is just not there yet]

About 23 divisions left to report and Krasner is at 66.5%. Oh so close to a 2:1 result.

Spark, any thoughts on the results?

[Senator-elect Spark]

About 23 divisions left to report and Krasner is at 66.5%. Oh so close to a 2:1 result.

Spark, any thoughts on the results?

I got %s wrong but map is kinda close to actual result. Thought Vega would do better in AA wards but couldn't be more disappointed.