BREAKING: Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health (Mississippi abortion case): Cert granted

[I’m not Stu]

What happens? The case has been relisted since September 2, 2020.

[Geoffrey Howe]

Will Alito vote to turn America into ‘a dictatorship’ here, ERM64?

[I’m not Stu]

Will Alito vote to turn America into ‘a dictatorship’ here, ERM64?

Yes. You know what I said isn’t something I just imagined. You know that I have heard it from other places.

[Geoffrey Howe]

Will Alito vote to turn America into ‘a dictatorship’ here, ERM64?

Yes. You know what I said isn’t something I just imagined. You know that I have heard it from other places.

Oh I see, you're Bronz?

[I’m not Stu]

Will Alito vote to turn America into ‘a dictatorship’ here, ERM64?

Yes. You know what I said isn’t something I just imagined. You know that I have heard it from other places.

Oh I see, you're Bronz?

Read this book. It’s mentioned in it. I think cert is granted in the Mississippi abortion case.

[Geoffrey Howe]

Will Alito vote to turn America into ‘a dictatorship’ here, ERM64?

Yes. You know what I said isn’t something I just imagined. You know that I have heard it from other places.

Oh I see, you're Bronz?

Read this book. It’s mentioned in it. I think cert is granted in the Mississippi abortion case.

Can you direct me to a quote?

[I’m not Stu]

Will Alito vote to turn America into ‘a dictatorship’ here, ERM64?

Yes. You know what I said isn’t something I just imagined. You know that I have heard it from other places.

Oh I see, you're Bronz?

Read this book. It’s mentioned in it. I think cert is granted in the Mississippi abortion case.

Can you direct me to a quote?

I haven’t read it yet, but SCOTUS is frequently mentioned in it. I believe it also mentions frivolous lawsuits attempting to make the 1964 Civil Rights Act serve as a national bathroom bill similar to North Carolina’s HB2.

[Geoffrey Howe]

Will Alito vote to turn America into ‘a dictatorship’ here, ERM64?

Yes. You know what I said isn’t something I just imagined. You know that I have heard it from other places.

Oh I see, you're Bronz?

Read this book. It’s mentioned in it. I think cert is granted in the Mississippi abortion case.

Can you direct me to a quote?

I haven’t read it yet, but SCOTUS is frequently mentioned in it. I believe it also mentions frivolous lawsuits attempting to make the 1964 Civil Rights Act serve as a national bathroom bill similar to North Carolina’s HB2.

Oh I see. You claim that members of the highest court in the land support a dictatorship based on a book which isn't about the Court and you haven't actually read?

[I’m not Stu]

Will Alito vote to turn America into ‘a dictatorship’ here, ERM64?

Yes. You know what I said isn’t something I just imagined. You know that I have heard it from other places.

Oh I see, you're Bronz?

Read this book. It’s mentioned in it. I think cert is granted in the Mississippi abortion case.

Can you direct me to a quote?

I haven’t read it yet, but SCOTUS is frequently mentioned in it. I believe it also mentions frivolous lawsuits attempting to make the 1964 Civil Rights Act serve as a national bathroom bill similar to North Carolina’s HB2.

Oh I see. You claim that members of the highest court in the land support a dictatorship based on a book which isn't about the Court and you haven't actually read?

SCOTUS is a major part of the book, which is about a GOP plan to create a dictatorship.

[Geoffrey Howe]

And how does the SCOTUS play out in this dictatorship?

[I’m not Stu]

And how does the SCOTUS play out in this dictatorship?

Attacks on voting rights, declaring fetal personhood (which makes abortion illegal nationwide, even in blue states), reinstating sodomy laws, upholding state laws similar to Section 28, upholding xenophobic immigration policies, and possibly making the 1964 Civil Rights Act serve as a bathroom bill.

[Geoffrey Howe]

And how does the SCOTUS play out in this dictatorship?

Attacks on voting rights, declaring fetal personhood (which makes abortion illegal nationwide, even in blue states), reinstating sodomy laws, upholding state laws similar to Section 28, upholding xenophobic immigration policies, and possibly making the 1964 Civil Rights Act serve as a bathroom bill.

Plainly they cannot be accused of setting up a dictatorship for things the elected branches have done. How do they reinstate sodomy laws? What constitutional basis would they have to declare abortion illegal?

[I’m not Stu]

And how does the SCOTUS play out in this dictatorship?

Attacks on voting rights, declaring fetal personhood (which makes abortion illegal nationwide, even in blue states), reinstating sodomy laws, upholding state laws similar to Section 28, upholding xenophobic immigration policies, and possibly making the 1964 Civil Rights Act serve as a bathroom bill.

Plainly they cannot be accused of setting up a dictatorship for things the elected branches have done. How do they reinstate sodomy laws? What constitutional basis would they have to declare abortion illegal?

It seems you’re assuming support for precedent. Reinstating state sodomy laws would be done by overruling Lawrence v. Texas. Declaring fetal personhood would be done by declaring fetuses as people under the 14th Amendment.

[Geoffrey Howe]

And how does the SCOTUS play out in this dictatorship?

Attacks on voting rights, declaring fetal personhood (which makes abortion illegal nationwide, even in blue states), reinstating sodomy laws, upholding state laws similar to Section 28, upholding xenophobic immigration policies, and possibly making the 1964 Civil Rights Act serve as a bathroom bill.

Plainly they cannot be accused of setting up a dictatorship for things the elected branches have done. How do they reinstate sodomy laws? What constitutional basis would they have to declare abortion illegal?

It seems you’re assuming support for precedent. Reinstating state sodomy laws would be done by overruling Lawrence v. Texas. Declaring fetal personhood would be done by declaring fetuses as people under the 14th Amendment.

You're missing my point. Overruling Lawrence wouldn't necessarily criminalise the activity. How can it declare abortion illegal? How can the Court promulgate positive law affecting individuals rather than the government?

[I’m not Stu]

And how does the SCOTUS play out in this dictatorship?

Attacks on voting rights, declaring fetal personhood (which makes abortion illegal nationwide, even in blue states), reinstating sodomy laws, upholding state laws similar to Section 28, upholding xenophobic immigration policies, and possibly making the 1964 Civil Rights Act serve as a bathroom bill.

Plainly they cannot be accused of setting up a dictatorship for things the elected branches have done. How do they reinstate sodomy laws? What constitutional basis would they have to declare abortion illegal?

It seems you’re assuming support for precedent. Reinstating state sodomy laws would be done by overruling Lawrence v. Texas. Declaring fetal personhood would be done by declaring fetuses as people under the 14th Amendment.

You're missing my point. Overruling Lawrence wouldn't necessarily criminalise the activity. How can it declare abortion illegal? How can the Court promulgate positive law affecting individuals rather than the government?

Some states still have sodomy laws on the books. An overruling would make them enforceable. If a fetus is considered a person, terminating the fetus would be considered murder.

[Geoffrey Howe]

And how does the SCOTUS play out in this dictatorship?

Attacks on voting rights, declaring fetal personhood (which makes abortion illegal nationwide, even in blue states), reinstating sodomy laws, upholding state laws similar to Section 28, upholding xenophobic immigration policies, and possibly making the 1964 Civil Rights Act serve as a bathroom bill.

Plainly they cannot be accused of setting up a dictatorship for things the elected branches have done. How do they reinstate sodomy laws? What constitutional basis would they have to declare abortion illegal?

It seems you’re assuming support for precedent. Reinstating state sodomy laws would be done by overruling Lawrence v. Texas. Declaring fetal personhood would be done by declaring fetuses as people under the 14th Amendment.

You're missing my point. Overruling Lawrence wouldn't necessarily criminalise the activity. How can it declare abortion illegal? How can the Court promulgate positive law affecting individuals rather than the government?

Some states still have sodomy laws on the books. An overruling would make them enforceable. If a fetus is considered a person, terminating the fetus would be considered murder.

Would they be enforced? How does the SCOTUS have the power to criminalise murder?

[I’m not Stu]

And how does the SCOTUS play out in this dictatorship?

Attacks on voting rights, declaring fetal personhood (which makes abortion illegal nationwide, even in blue states), reinstating sodomy laws, upholding state laws similar to Section 28, upholding xenophobic immigration policies, and possibly making the 1964 Civil Rights Act serve as a bathroom bill.

Plainly they cannot be accused of setting up a dictatorship for things the elected branches have done. How do they reinstate sodomy laws? What constitutional basis would they have to declare abortion illegal?

It seems you’re assuming support for precedent. Reinstating state sodomy laws would be done by overruling Lawrence v. Texas. Declaring fetal personhood would be done by declaring fetuses as people under the 14th Amendment.

You're missing my point. Overruling Lawrence wouldn't necessarily criminalise the activity. How can it declare abortion illegal? How can the Court promulgate positive law affecting individuals rather than the government?

Some states still have sodomy laws on the books. An overruling would make them enforceable. If a fetus is considered a person, terminating the fetus would be considered murder.

Would they be enforced? How does the SCOTUS have the power to criminalise murder?

Yes, GOP-run states would enforce them. Abortion would be considered murder not by SCOTUS, but by state law, because a fetus is considered a person, therefore, terminating a fetus is considered murder under state law as interpreted by SCOTUS.

[Geoffrey Howe]

And how does the SCOTUS play out in this dictatorship?

Attacks on voting rights, declaring fetal personhood (which makes abortion illegal nationwide, even in blue states), reinstating sodomy laws, upholding state laws similar to Section 28, upholding xenophobic immigration policies, and possibly making the 1964 Civil Rights Act serve as a bathroom bill.

Plainly they cannot be accused of setting up a dictatorship for things the elected branches have done. How do they reinstate sodomy laws? What constitutional basis would they have to declare abortion illegal?

It seems you’re assuming support for precedent. Reinstating state sodomy laws would be done by overruling Lawrence v. Texas. Declaring fetal personhood would be done by declaring fetuses as people under the 14th Amendment.

You're missing my point. Overruling Lawrence wouldn't necessarily criminalise the activity. How can it declare abortion illegal? How can the Court promulgate positive law affecting individuals rather than the government?

Some states still have sodomy laws on the books. An overruling would make them enforceable. If a fetus is considered a person, terminating the fetus would be considered murder.

Would they be enforced? How does the SCOTUS have the power to criminalise murder?

Yes, GOP-run states would enforce them. Abortion would be considered murder not by SCOTUS, but by state law, because a fetus is considered a person, therefore, terminating a fetus is considered murder under state law as interpreted by SCOTUS.

Well if it's the states doing it don't blame the Court. What you're saying is in effect they would overrule Roe v. Wade.

[I’m not Stu]

And how does the SCOTUS play out in this dictatorship?

Attacks on voting rights, declaring fetal personhood (which makes abortion illegal nationwide, even in blue states), reinstating sodomy laws, upholding state laws similar to Section 28, upholding xenophobic immigration policies, and possibly making the 1964 Civil Rights Act serve as a bathroom bill.

Plainly they cannot be accused of setting up a dictatorship for things the elected branches have done. How do they reinstate sodomy laws? What constitutional basis would they have to declare abortion illegal?

It seems you’re assuming support for precedent. Reinstating state sodomy laws would be done by overruling Lawrence v. Texas. Declaring fetal personhood would be done by declaring fetuses as people under the 14th Amendment.

You're missing my point. Overruling Lawrence wouldn't necessarily criminalise the activity. How can it declare abortion illegal? How can the Court promulgate positive law affecting individuals rather than the government?

Some states still have sodomy laws on the books. An overruling would make them enforceable. If a fetus is considered a person, terminating the fetus would be considered murder.

Would they be enforced? How does the SCOTUS have the power to criminalise murder?

Yes, GOP-run states would enforce them. Abortion would be considered murder not by SCOTUS, but by state law, because a fetus is considered a person, therefore, terminating a fetus is considered murder under state law as interpreted by SCOTUS.

Well if it's the states doing it don't blame the Court. What you're saying is in effect they would overrule Roe v. Wade.

It’s SCOTUS that would allow the states to enforce it. SCOTUS deserves blame. Fetal personhood actually goes farther than overruling Roe v. Wade, which established a constitutional right to abortion. Fetal personhood isn’t simply declaring there’s no constitutional right to abortion, it declares that a fetus has a right to life protection by state murder laws under the 14th Amendment.

[Geoffrey Howe]

And how does the SCOTUS play out in this dictatorship?

Attacks on voting rights, declaring fetal personhood (which makes abortion illegal nationwide, even in blue states), reinstating sodomy laws, upholding state laws similar to Section 28, upholding xenophobic immigration policies, and possibly making the 1964 Civil Rights Act serve as a bathroom bill.

Plainly they cannot be accused of setting up a dictatorship for things the elected branches have done. How do they reinstate sodomy laws? What constitutional basis would they have to declare abortion illegal?

It seems you’re assuming support for precedent. Reinstating state sodomy laws would be done by overruling Lawrence v. Texas. Declaring fetal personhood would be done by declaring fetuses as people under the 14th Amendment.

You're missing my point. Overruling Lawrence wouldn't necessarily criminalise the activity. How can it declare abortion illegal? How can the Court promulgate positive law affecting individuals rather than the government?

Some states still have sodomy laws on the books. An overruling would make them enforceable. If a fetus is considered a person, terminating the fetus would be considered murder.

Would they be enforced? How does the SCOTUS have the power to criminalise murder?

Yes, GOP-run states would enforce them. Abortion would be considered murder not by SCOTUS, but by state law, because a fetus is considered a person, therefore, terminating a fetus is considered murder under state law as interpreted by SCOTUS.

Well if it's the states doing it don't blame the Court. What you're saying is in effect they would overrule Roe v. Wade.

It’s SCOTUS that would allow the states to enforce it. SCOTUS deserves blame. Fetal personhood actually goes farther than overruling Roe v. Wade, which established a constitutional right to abortion. Fetal personhood isn’t simply declaring there’s no constitutional right to abortion, it declares that a fetus has a right to life protection by state murder laws under the 14th Amendment.

Oh I get your point about the abortion. Still, the States can always amend their laws. Don't tell me that SCOTUS deserves the blame for the States enforcing unwise laws.

[I’m not Stu]

And how does the SCOTUS play out in this dictatorship?

Attacks on voting rights, declaring fetal personhood (which makes abortion illegal nationwide, even in blue states), reinstating sodomy laws, upholding state laws similar to Section 28, upholding xenophobic immigration policies, and possibly making the 1964 Civil Rights Act serve as a bathroom bill.

Plainly they cannot be accused of setting up a dictatorship for things the elected branches have done. How do they reinstate sodomy laws? What constitutional basis would they have to declare abortion illegal?

It seems you’re assuming support for precedent. Reinstating state sodomy laws would be done by overruling Lawrence v. Texas. Declaring fetal personhood would be done by declaring fetuses as people under the 14th Amendment.

You're missing my point. Overruling Lawrence wouldn't necessarily criminalise the activity. How can it declare abortion illegal? How can the Court promulgate positive law affecting individuals rather than the government?

Some states still have sodomy laws on the books. An overruling would make them enforceable. If a fetus is considered a person, terminating the fetus would be considered murder.

Would they be enforced? How does the SCOTUS have the power to criminalise murder?

Yes, GOP-run states would enforce them. Abortion would be considered murder not by SCOTUS, but by state law, because a fetus is considered a person, therefore, terminating a fetus is considered murder under state law as interpreted by SCOTUS.

Well if it's the states doing it don't blame the Court. What you're saying is in effect they would overrule Roe v. Wade.

It’s SCOTUS that would allow the states to enforce it. SCOTUS deserves blame. Fetal personhood actually goes farther than overruling Roe v. Wade, which established a constitutional right to abortion. Fetal personhood isn’t simply declaring there’s no constitutional right to abortion, it declares that a fetus has a right to life protection by state murder laws under the 14th Amendment.

Oh I get your point about the abortion. Still, the States can always amend their laws. Don't tell me that SCOTUS deserves the blame for the States enforcing unwise laws.

GOP-run states won’t amend their laws. With Lawrence v. Texas in place, they can’t enforce their sodomy laws. I think cert will be granted in the MS abortion case.

[Geoffrey Howe]

And how does the SCOTUS play out in this dictatorship?

Attacks on voting rights, declaring fetal personhood (which makes abortion illegal nationwide, even in blue states), reinstating sodomy laws, upholding state laws similar to Section 28, upholding xenophobic immigration policies, and possibly making the 1964 Civil Rights Act serve as a bathroom bill.

Plainly they cannot be accused of setting up a dictatorship for things the elected branches have done. How do they reinstate sodomy laws? What constitutional basis would they have to declare abortion illegal?

It seems you’re assuming support for precedent. Reinstating state sodomy laws would be done by overruling Lawrence v. Texas. Declaring fetal personhood would be done by declaring fetuses as people under the 14th Amendment.

You're missing my point. Overruling Lawrence wouldn't necessarily criminalise the activity. How can it declare abortion illegal? How can the Court promulgate positive law affecting individuals rather than the government?

Some states still have sodomy laws on the books. An overruling would make them enforceable. If a fetus is considered a person, terminating the fetus would be considered murder.

Would they be enforced? How does the SCOTUS have the power to criminalise murder?

Yes, GOP-run states would enforce them. Abortion would be considered murder not by SCOTUS, but by state law, because a fetus is considered a person, therefore, terminating a fetus is considered murder under state law as interpreted by SCOTUS.

Well if it's the states doing it don't blame the Court. What you're saying is in effect they would overrule Roe v. Wade.

It’s SCOTUS that would allow the states to enforce it. SCOTUS deserves blame. Fetal personhood actually goes farther than overruling Roe v. Wade, which established a constitutional right to abortion. Fetal personhood isn’t simply declaring there’s no constitutional right to abortion, it declares that a fetus has a right to life protection by state murder laws under the 14th Amendment.

Oh I get your point about the abortion. Still, the States can always amend their laws. Don't tell me that SCOTUS deserves the blame for the States enforcing unwise laws.

GOP-run states won’t amend their laws. With Lawrence v. Texas in place, they can’t enforce their sodomy laws. I think cert will be granted in the MS abortion case.

Well then the GOP is at fault.

[I’m not Stu]

And how does the SCOTUS play out in this dictatorship?

Attacks on voting rights, declaring fetal personhood (which makes abortion illegal nationwide, even in blue states), reinstating sodomy laws, upholding state laws similar to Section 28, upholding xenophobic immigration policies, and possibly making the 1964 Civil Rights Act serve as a bathroom bill.

Plainly they cannot be accused of setting up a dictatorship for things the elected branches have done. How do they reinstate sodomy laws? What constitutional basis would they have to declare abortion illegal?

It seems you’re assuming support for precedent. Reinstating state sodomy laws would be done by overruling Lawrence v. Texas. Declaring fetal personhood would be done by declaring fetuses as people under the 14th Amendment.

You're missing my point. Overruling Lawrence wouldn't necessarily criminalise the activity. How can it declare abortion illegal? How can the Court promulgate positive law affecting individuals rather than the government?

Some states still have sodomy laws on the books. An overruling would make them enforceable. If a fetus is considered a person, terminating the fetus would be considered murder.

Would they be enforced? How does the SCOTUS have the power to criminalise murder?

Yes, GOP-run states would enforce them. Abortion would be considered murder not by SCOTUS, but by state law, because a fetus is considered a person, therefore, terminating a fetus is considered murder under state law as interpreted by SCOTUS.

Well if it's the states doing it don't blame the Court. What you're saying is in effect they would overrule Roe v. Wade.

It’s SCOTUS that would allow the states to enforce it. SCOTUS deserves blame. Fetal personhood actually goes farther than overruling Roe v. Wade, which established a constitutional right to abortion. Fetal personhood isn’t simply declaring there’s no constitutional right to abortion, it declares that a fetus has a right to life protection by state murder laws under the 14th Amendment.

Oh I get your point about the abortion. Still, the States can always amend their laws. Don't tell me that SCOTUS deserves the blame for the States enforcing unwise laws.

GOP-run states won’t amend their laws. With Lawrence v. Texas in place, they can’t enforce their sodomy laws. I think cert will be granted in the MS abortion case.

Well then the GOP is at fault.

The GOP includes six SCOTUS justices. One will even dissent from the other five sometimes.

[Geoffrey Howe]

Thank you, ERM. Need I point out how silly what you said was, or that I was referring to state legislatures and executives?

[I’m not Stu]

Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health was relisted 20 times. What’s going on?