Could Trump have become President if 9/11 never happened?
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« Reply #25 on: May 11, 2021, 01:18:53 PM »

Could he have? Sure. But would he have? Unlikely, since the lack of 9/11 is a massive butterfly that changes everything.
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« Reply #26 on: May 15, 2021, 12:28:39 AM »

Could he have? Sure. But would he have? Unlikely, since the lack of 9/11 is a massive butterfly that changes everything.

disagree. After enough time the changes brought on by a single event tend to go away. For instance - would the us of 1975 be any different if JFK wasn't assassinated? I doubt it. Many other western countries had the same loss of confidence/trust during that time period. Look to France with May 68.
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« Reply #27 on: May 15, 2021, 12:44:42 AM »

Could he have? Sure. But would he have? Unlikely, since the lack of 9/11 is a massive butterfly that changes everything.

disagree. After enough time the changes brought on by a single event tend to go away. For instance - would the us of 1975 be any different if JFK wasn't assassinated? I doubt it. Many other western countries had the same loss of confidence/trust during that time period. Look to France with May 68.

If the lack of a JFK assassination produces the lack of an RFK assassination, then presumably, yeah.
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« Reply #28 on: May 15, 2021, 01:17:18 AM »

The political Fallout of 9/11 and even its indirect impact or long over by the time Trump was elected 15 years later. So yes.
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« Reply #29 on: May 15, 2021, 02:03:46 AM »

It may depend on whether PNAC found some other "second Pearl Harbor" to use as an excuse to invade Iraq.
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« Reply #30 on: May 15, 2021, 08:20:02 AM »

Could he have? Sure. But would he have? Unlikely, since the lack of 9/11 is a massive butterfly that changes everything.

disagree. After enough time the changes brought on by a single event tend to go away. For instance - would the us of 1975 be any different if JFK wasn't assassinated? I doubt it. Many other western countries had the same loss of confidence/trust during that time period. Look to France with May 68.

If the lack of a JFK assassination produces the lack of an RFK assassination, then presumably, yeah.

The JFK assassination is typically seen as a turning point in RFK's political and personal life. That is, him viewing politics through empathy rather than careerism stemmed from his reaction to his brother's murder.
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« Reply #31 on: May 15, 2021, 11:11:35 AM »

It depends

The Iraq War was a non issue in 2016. The biggest were trade deals and immigration. Also the lack of recovery from the recession

Does the housing bubble still happen?
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« Reply #32 on: May 15, 2021, 11:46:33 AM »

Could he have? Sure. But would he have? Unlikely, since the lack of 9/11 is a massive butterfly that changes everything.

disagree. After enough time the changes brought on by a single event tend to go away. For instance - would the us of 1975 be any different if JFK wasn't assassinated? I doubt it. Many other western countries had the same loss of confidence/trust during that time period. Look to France with May 68.

If the lack of a JFK assassination produces the lack of an RFK assassination, then presumably, yeah.

there's still no reason to think that by 1975 the following wouldn't have happened
1) great postwar economic growth eventually loses steam
2) raw number of murders triple and quadruple in the major cities - even as population decreases
3) something happens that causes people to lose trust in institutions
4) the culture shifts dramatically. Like look at how people dressed in 1963 vs 1975. It's like a century happened in a dozen years.
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