French presidential election, 2022

[parochial boy]

Well, if you want, er, news - Zemmour launched his campaign in a predictably unpleasant style. Journalists from the independent news outlet Mediapart and TV show Le  Quotidien (both firmly anti-Zemmour, although the former has rather more integrity than the latter) were apparently harrassed and threatened. Then, anti-racist campaigners were beaten up after they revealed t-shirts with the slogan "no to racism".

All in all, about what you'd expect really.

The slightlier scarier side was that in response to this, the newly crowned LR candidate, and her defeated opponent - clearly outraged by the events - both agreed something more or less along the lines of "the protestors got what was coming to them" (provocation you see). Pécresse then added some both sides stuff about the "extreme left" being violent too. For context, recent weeks in France have seen a spate of far right terrorist plots foiled by the security forces; there have been numerous documented cases of aggressions against migrants and left wing activists - notably in Lyon, of course, some traditions never change.

In any case, yes, it is obviously the extreme left and it's "iel" pronoun that is the problem here.

[Boobs]

Provoking people by…. wearing shirts that say… racism is bad?

[H. Ross Peron]

According to the Wikipedia article on Zemmour's Reconquest Party, the party's ideology includes anti-Masonry and its youth organization is called Generation Z.

[Coldstream]

Interesting that despite his high profile announcement, the most recent polling has Zemmour in 4th behind even Pecresse. Perhaps Pecresse is getting a nomination bounce?

[kelestian]

According to the Wikipedia article on Zemmour's Reconquest Party, the party's ideology includes anti-Masonry and its youth organization is called Generation Z.

Interesting, but what's Zemmour's stance on silver standard?

[Continential]

Interesting that despite his high profile announcement, the most recent polling has Zemmour in 4th behind even Pecresse. Perhaps Pecresse is getting a nomination bounce?

It would be hilarious, if in the end, the two candidates in the runoff are Pecresse/Macron.

[Coldstream]

Interesting that despite his high profile announcement, the most recent polling has Zemmour in 4th behind even Pecresse. Perhaps Pecresse is getting a nomination bounce?

It would be hilarious, if in the end, the two candidates in the runoff are Pecresse/Macron.

Honestly that was my thought looking at the polls, if Le Pen and Zemmour split the vote the right way and Pecresse holds on to her polling it could happen.

[parochial boy]

https://twitter.com/mathieugallard/status/1467972038858264577

The guy is a research director at Ipsos. Goes on to point out that both Fillon and Hamon had similar double digit surges - after surprise victories and consequential media buzz - before falling back dramatically over the course of the campaign. Even Hollande, who had been the favourite since DSK getting arrested back in 2011 still lost ground after his primary win.

Point being - I wouldn's say this as a cast iron prediction - but it seems highly unlikely that Pécresse holds at this level all the way until April. Honestly, I really don't think she has any particular wow factor that would seem to indicate an alternative trajectory

[Dan the Roman]

Her "wow" factor is second round polls showing she could beat Macron. Don't send a message, send a President was Carter's old 1976 slogan for Wallace voters in Florida.

[parochial boy]

Yes, her honeymoon period after her suprise primary win. That was literally the jist of my post.

Other than that, she is an unexceptional RPR heritage career politician. Her campaign up to now has been regurgitating the same old identitarian anxiety mongering mixed with some vaguely populist ultraliberalism aimed at the LR's ageing right wing base. Youn know, the "I'm going to fire 600 million fonctionnaires" and that sort of stuff. In the grand scheme of things it's all fairly turgid and predictable and there's not really a lot there that would really keep people outside of the base on board.

You know, the Pétainiste hatemonger has already lost 5 off points, and despite everything else, he does actually have people out there who like him.

[Umengus]

Based on polls, the most surprising  is that pecresse takes votes from Le pen but few from macron.

The last ipsos poll:

Macron: 25
MLP: 16
Pecresse: 16
Z: 14
Melanchon: 8
Jadot: 7
Hidalgo: 5

[Umengus]

Well, if you want, er, news - Zemmour launched his campaign in a predictably unpleasant style. Journalists from the independent news outlet Mediapart and TV show Le  Quotidien (both firmly anti-Zemmour, although the former has rather more integrity than the latter) were apparently harrassed and threatened. Then, anti-racist campaigners were beaten up after they revealed t-shirts with the slogan "no to racism".

All in all, about what you'd expect really.

The slightlier scarier side was that in response to this, the newly crowned LR candidate, and her defeated opponent - clearly outraged by the events - both agreed something more or less along the lines of "the protestors got what was coming to them" (provocation you see). Pécresse then added some both sides stuff about the "extreme left" being violent too. For context, recent weeks in France have seen a spate of far right terrorist plots foiled by the security forces; there have been numerous documented cases of aggressions against migrants and left wing activists - notably in Lyon, of course, some traditions never change.

In any case, yes, it is obviously the extreme left and it's "iel" pronoun that is the problem here.

lol. you just forget to say the zemmour was assaulted by a guy. And left protesters outside the meeting were found with acid and molotov cocktails on them.

[Umengus]

Well, if you want, er, news - Zemmour launched his campaign in a predictably unpleasant style. Journalists from the independent news outlet Mediapart and TV show Le  Quotidien (both firmly anti-Zemmour, although the former has rather more integrity than the latter) were apparently harrassed and threatened. Then, anti-racist campaigners were beaten up after they revealed t-shirts with the slogan "no to racism".

All in all, about what you'd expect really.

The slightlier scarier side was that in response to this, the newly crowned LR candidate, and her defeated opponent - clearly outraged by the events - both agreed something more or less along the lines of "the protestors got what was coming to them" (provocation you see). Pécresse then added some both sides stuff about the "extreme left" being violent too. For context, recent weeks in France have seen a spate of far right terrorist plots foiled by the security forces; there have been numerous documented cases of aggressions against migrants and left wing activists - notably in Lyon, of course, some traditions never change.

In any case, yes, it is obviously the extreme left and it's "iel" pronoun that is the problem here.

lol. you just forget to say the zemmour was assaulted by a guy. And left protesters outside the meeting were found with acid and molotov cocktails on them.

and we learned yesterday that the former spokesperson for Generation Identitaire was allegedly sexually assaulted by a Tunisian migrant at her home.

[Zinneke]

Well, if you want, er, news - Zemmour launched his campaign in a predictably unpleasant style. Journalists from the independent news outlet Mediapart and TV show Le  Quotidien (both firmly anti-Zemmour, although the former has rather more integrity than the latter) were apparently harrassed and threatened. Then, anti-racist campaigners were beaten up after they revealed t-shirts with the slogan "no to racism".

All in all, about what you'd expect really.

The slightlier scarier side was that in response to this, the newly crowned LR candidate, and her defeated opponent - clearly outraged by the events - both agreed something more or less along the lines of "the protestors got what was coming to them" (provocation you see). Pécresse then added some both sides stuff about the "extreme left" being violent too. For context, recent weeks in France have seen a spate of far right terrorist plots foiled by the security forces; there have been numerous documented cases of aggressions against migrants and left wing activists - notably in Lyon, of course, some traditions never change.

In any case, yes, it is obviously the extreme left and it's "iel" pronoun that is the problem here.

lol. you just forget to say the zemmour was assaulted by a guy. And left protesters outside the meeting were found with acid and molotov cocktails on them.

Source Mr Propaganda

[parochial boy]

The guy who assaulted Zemmour is a Les Républicains member. And more to the point, I haven't exactly seen anyone, and certainly not any left wing political figures, trying to justify it. So rather different in that respect.

But good to know that excuses violence against non-violent anti-racism protestors.

[Umengus]

The guy who assaulted Zemmour is a Les Républicains member. And more to the point, I haven't exactly seen anyone, and certainly not any left wing political figures, trying to justify it. So rather different in that respect.

But good to know that excuses violence against non-violent anti-racism protestors.

Zemmour has condemned the violence at his meeting.

And the problem is not to justify but to condemn.

Considering the guy who assulted zemmour, he would have joined the Republicans only a month ago and has a solid criminal record. Not clear, for now.

[Umengus]

Well, if you want, er, news - Zemmour launched his campaign in a predictably unpleasant style. Journalists from the independent news outlet Mediapart and TV show Le  Quotidien (both firmly anti-Zemmour, although the former has rather more integrity than the latter) were apparently harrassed and threatened. Then, anti-racist campaigners were beaten up after they revealed t-shirts with the slogan "no to racism".

All in all, about what you'd expect really.

The slightlier scarier side was that in response to this, the newly crowned LR candidate, and her defeated opponent - clearly outraged by the events - both agreed something more or less along the lines of "the protestors got what was coming to them" (provocation you see). Pécresse then added some both sides stuff about the "extreme left" being violent too. For context, recent weeks in France have seen a spate of far right terrorist plots foiled by the security forces; there have been numerous documented cases of aggressions against migrants and left wing activists - notably in Lyon, of course, some traditions never change.

In any case, yes, it is obviously the extreme left and it's "iel" pronoun that is the problem here.

lol. you just forget to say the zemmour was assaulted by a guy. And left protesters outside the meeting were found with acid and molotov cocktails on them.

Source Mr Propaganda

Liberation confirms that one coktail molotov was found. And 62 people arrested.

[Coolface’s actual roommate]

Valerie will win

[Continential]

Valerie will win

I thought you supported Zemmour coolface.

[P. Clodius Pulcher did nothing wrong]

Zemmour was asking for it by wearing a shirt that said "Racism is ok"

[Zinneke]

Well, if you want, er, news - Zemmour launched his campaign in a predictably unpleasant style. Journalists from the independent news outlet Mediapart and TV show Le  Quotidien (both firmly anti-Zemmour, although the former has rather more integrity than the latter) were apparently harrassed and threatened. Then, anti-racist campaigners were beaten up after they revealed t-shirts with the slogan "no to racism".

All in all, about what you'd expect really.

The slightlier scarier side was that in response to this, the newly crowned LR candidate, and her defeated opponent - clearly outraged by the events - both agreed something more or less along the lines of "the protestors got what was coming to them" (provocation you see). Pécresse then added some both sides stuff about the "extreme left" being violent too. For context, recent weeks in France have seen a spate of far right terrorist plots foiled by the security forces; there have been numerous documented cases of aggressions against migrants and left wing activists - notably in Lyon, of course, some traditions never change.

In any case, yes, it is obviously the extreme left and it's "iel" pronoun that is the problem here.

lol. you just forget to say the zemmour was assaulted by a guy. And left protesters outside the meeting were found with acid and molotov cocktails on them.

Source Mr Propaganda

Liberation confirms that one coktail molotov was found. And 62 people arrested.

Post a link

[Umengus]

Well, if you want, er, news - Zemmour launched his campaign in a predictably unpleasant style. Journalists from the independent news outlet Mediapart and TV show Le  Quotidien (both firmly anti-Zemmour, although the former has rather more integrity than the latter) were apparently harrassed and threatened. Then, anti-racist campaigners were beaten up after they revealed t-shirts with the slogan "no to racism".

All in all, about what you'd expect really.

The slightlier scarier side was that in response to this, the newly crowned LR candidate, and her defeated opponent - clearly outraged by the events - both agreed something more or less along the lines of "the protestors got what was coming to them" (provocation you see). Pécresse then added some both sides stuff about the "extreme left" being violent too. For context, recent weeks in France have seen a spate of far right terrorist plots foiled by the security forces; there have been numerous documented cases of aggressions against migrants and left wing activists - notably in Lyon, of course, some traditions never change.

In any case, yes, it is obviously the extreme left and it's "iel" pronoun that is the problem here.

lol. you just forget to say the zemmour was assaulted by a guy. And left protesters outside the meeting were found with acid and molotov cocktails on them.

Source Mr Propaganda

Liberation confirms that one coktail molotov was found. And 62 people arrested.

Post a link

Last sentence.

https://www.liberation.fr/checknews/est-il-vrai-que-des-cocktails-molotov-et-des-bouteilles-dacide-ont-ete-confisques-en-marge-du-meeting-deric-zemmour-20211209_I7SIX45HERHCZLWZHQNBRM7BZY/?utm_medium=Social&xtor=CS7-51-&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1639063286

[Frodo]

Pecresse elected with 61 % (and 69K votes). No surprise. Good result for Ciotti.

I see that French conservatives have chosen to go the Anti-Federalist route with regard to the European Union:

Macron's presidential challenger Pecresse would say 'non' to federal EU

I wonder if they are keen readers of the Federalist and Anti-Federalist papers that debated back and forth over our Constitution.  

[Agafin]

When are the primaries of the right going to be held? And who of Pécresse and Xavier is favoured? I'm out of the loop.

[Oryxslayer]

When are the primaries of the right going to be held? And who of cand Xavier is favoured? I'm out of the loop.

Pécresse is the winner of the LR primary. That's done. Bertrand is out. Unless you mean shadow-primary where those without a chance at victory drop out. That won't really be happening for the right, even though there is a slight chance it happens between Jadot and Hildago. If their egos are big, then Le Pen's, Zemmour's, and Pécresse's are either bigger or pushed to be bigger by circumstance. Le Pen can't abandon her built-up position as long-term standard bearer, Pécresse has what remains of the LR machine pushing her forward, and Zemmour has probably the biggest ego of the entire field.

Of the three who are favored, it depends upon what you believe. If you think Pécresse's honeymoon will fade like others have before, then the Le Pen default will return to the runoff slot like previously. If you don't, then Pécresse advances alongside Macron, given that she is pulling from two small pools of voters and her rivals only can pull from one.