Biden infrastructure/tax increase megathread

[MillennialModerate]

This is so confusing to me.

Do these moderates who I’m normally in line with - not realize how politically helpful passing this bill will be? They’re committing political suicide here

[President Johnson]

This is so confusing to me.

Do these moderates who I’m normally in line with - not realize how politically helpful passing this bill will be? They’re committing political suicide here

I feel like they're living in the past and believe this presumed appearance as "independent maverick" somehow scores points among voters. Especially Sinema, whom I believe doesn't have any real political convictions. I hope she gets primaried by a competent mainstream Democrat in 2024.

What Biden and Schumer need here is enough leverage to make Sinema and others to vote for it and I'm not sure they have it. Sometimes I'd prefer to play hardball against members to threaten to derail the entire agenda the president campaigned and was elected on. A guy like Lyndon Johnson definitely wouldn't take a No here.

[Attorney General, Senator-Elect, & Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

This is so confusing to me.

Do these moderates who I’m normally in line with - not realize how politically helpful passing this bill will be? They’re committing political suicide here

The number one thing for the house moderates is making sure the Senate's bipartisan efforts don't go to waste. If something happens where the reconciliation bill can't pass they still want the bipartisan bill to have its chance. Further they want to eliminate any chance that the passage of the reconciliation bill would dampen the desire to do the bipartisan bill.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

This is so confusing to me.

Do these moderates who I’m normally in line with - not realize how politically helpful passing this bill will be? They’re committing political suicide here

I feel like they're living in the past and believe this presumed appearance as "independent maverick" somehow scores points among voters. Especially Sinema, whom I believe doesn't have any real political convictions. I hope she gets primaried by a competent mainstream Democrat in 2024.

What Biden and Schumer need here is enough leverage to make Sinema and others to vote for it and I'm not sure they have it. Sometimes I'd prefer to play hardball against members to threaten to derail the entire agenda the president campaigned and was elected on. A guy like Lyndon Johnson definitely wouldn't take a No here.

Biden is on Sinema’s side, not Schumer and Pelosi’s

[President Johnson]

This is so confusing to me.

Do these moderates who I’m normally in line with - not realize how politically helpful passing this bill will be? They’re committing political suicide here

I feel like they're living in the past and believe this presumed appearance as "independent maverick" somehow scores points among voters. Especially Sinema, whom I believe doesn't have any real political convictions. I hope she gets primaried by a competent mainstream Democrat in 2024.

What Biden and Schumer need here is enough leverage to make Sinema and others to vote for it and I'm not sure they have it. Sometimes I'd prefer to play hardball against members to threaten to derail the entire agenda the president campaigned and was elected on. A guy like Lyndon Johnson definitely wouldn't take a No here.

Biden is on Sinema’s side, not Schumer and Pelosi’s

On the filibuster and passing the bipartisan bill now? I was primarily talking about the 3.5 trillion package. It shouldn't be reduced. Even the deficit argument falls flat as indpendent analysts and economists concluded it would reduce the deficit over the long run.

[MR DARK BRANDON]

Well it passed

[Attorney General, Senator-Elect, & Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

https://mobile.twitter.com/RepCloakroom/status/1430252625384071172

[Attorney General, Senator-Elect, & Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

https://mobile.twitter.com/RepCloakroom/status/1430261459976704000

[President Johnson]

Republicans voting against this are pathetic.

[CookieDamage]

Moderate Nine Terrorists lost today how embarrassing for them

[Bootes Void]

Republicans voting against this are pathetic.

is this for the 3.5t infrastructure bill?

[Attorney General, Senator-Elect, & Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

Republicans voting against this are pathetic.

is this for the 3.5t infrastructure bill?

Budget for it yes

[Attorney General, Senator-Elect, & Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

Moderate Nine Terrorists lost today how embarrassing for them

I mean the language approved is much more firm with regards to setting the bipartisan bill vote date than it was originally going to be. Not a total win but not a complete loss either.

[TiltsAreUnderrated]

The commitment to vote on the infrastructure bill by September 27 is non-binding, but the leadership does appear to have lost some leverage today (assuming it was even invested in winning this struggle to begin with).

So much for Pelosi the Incredible Negotiator.

[Attorney General, Senator-Elect, & Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

The commitment to vote on the infrastructure bill by September 27 is non-binding, but the leadership does appear to have lost some leverage today (assuming it was even invested in winning this struggle to begin with).

So much for Pelosi the Incredible Negotiator.

Actually it is basically binding - the way the rule is written, the only way to change it to a later date is to have the whole house explicitly approve the date change - meaning the moderates would have to sign off on any change.

[Pres Mike]

Schumer needs to have a reconciliation bill written and voted on by September 27. Sit that weird women from Arizona down and hash things out. Do the same with Manchin concerning a gerrymandering ban

We need all this past by October 1st

If Democrats went a chance at government for the next 40 years, we need a gerrymandering ban AND a reason for the public to vote for Democrats. Which would require a full year of social/infrastructure funding being seen

[MysteryMan]

Pelosi doesn't seem to think she gave up anything

https://twitter.com/DaniellaMicaela/status/1430231949759717381

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Pelosi doesn't seem to think she gave up anything

https://twitter.com/DaniellaMicaela/status/1430231949759717381

She wouldn’t admit it if she had

[Pyro]

https://twitter.com/ryangrim/status/1430364544535351302

2022 will be rough for the Democrats if they can't even pass the compromise reconciliation as-is.

[emailking]

If the progressives don't have a reconciliation bill from the Senate to their liking by the 27th, can't they just vote down the bipartisan bill, and we're back where we are now? The House can pass a bill it previously voted down, right?

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

https://twitter.com/ryangrim/status/1430364544535351302

2022 will be rough for the Democrats if they can't even pass the compromise reconciliation as-is.

No Labels has always been a joke. It’s a relic of a bygone era and it wasn’t even good then. “The Unbreakable Nine” lol.

[Person Man]

If the progressives don't have a reconciliation bill from the Senate to their liking by the 27th, can't they just vote down the bipartisan bill, and we're back where we are now? The House can pass a bill it previously voted down, right?

And if nothing gets passed, Gottheimer and Synema become modern day Millard Fillmores. You know, the guy who became president because his running mate played in the rain or something and then basically cancelled the the agenda and policies he ran on? It basically immediately doomed the Whig Party, gave us a dominant party system, a constitutional right to own slaves (at least until the constitution was rewritten), and eventually led to the Civil War? Imagine if atlas was around then.

[emailking]

But what I mean is I don't see how the Sept 27 date is leverage really. They have a year and half to pass the bipartisan bill. I don't think this ends with nothing passed, because they'll eventually pass it if the Senate gives them nothing useful.

[Vaccinated Russian Bear]

If the progressives don't have a reconciliation bill from the Senate to their liking by the 27th, can't they just vote down the bipartisan bill, and we're back where we are now? The House can pass a bill it previously voted down, right?

But there is (slim?) possibility there are enough moderates R in house to get it done without the progressives, if the reconciliation bill is truly decoupled from the Bipartisan Bill.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/08/23/mccarthy-bipartisan-infrastructure-bill-506465

Meanwhile, McCarthy is navigating a political tightrope of his own. Most Republicans are expected to oppose the infrastructure bill, but with the GOP largely expected to take the House majority in 2022 and McCarthy openly vying for the speakership, he must both ensure moderates don’t feel left out to dry and also shore up his right flank.

McCarthy, for his part, has said he opposes the bill. The California Republican told Fox News on Tuesday that he believes “zero” Republicans would support the bill if it is tied to reconciliation.

“He has spoken directly with many members about his concerns with the infrastructure bill — from its lack of game-changing regulatory reform to over $250 billion in missing payfors — and does not support the bill in its current form,” McCarthy spokesperson Mark Bednar said in a statement, while hitting the Democrats’ budget as “a socialist roadmap.”

Some Republicans hope McCarthy actively whips against the bill, whether it is tied to reconciliation or not — and they are curious if McCarthy can get all his members in line in the event of a standalone vote.

Meanwhile, many centrist Republicans who say they worked with senators to craft the bipartisan legislation firmly hold that their support of the bill is contingent on Pelosi’s next move. But they also want to see if McCarthy pushes the conference against the bill.

[StateBoiler]

No quarter for Gottheimer's goons. Of course Gottheimer is a goon too.

No quarter!

Hold a formal vote and evict them from the party then, although Pelosi would no longer hold a majority of the House.