Biden infrastructure/tax increase megathread

[Torie]

Does anyone think Pelosi's threat to hold the infrastructure bill hostage to a reconciliation package will hold up? It seems to me she will have to accept what both Sinema and Manchin are willing to accept, and if it drags out, she might face a discharge petition to at least get the infrastructure bill passed. I don't think the hold hostage approach will be popular (particular if interest and inflation begin to inch up), and the optics are terrible. Team Sanders and Pelosi at least in public seem to act as if they have cards to play in their deck, that I at least can't discern myself.  Am I missing something here?

[emailking]

The Senate is going to take up the reconciliation bill right away and the House is on vacation so I don't think it matters. They'll come back to both.

[Virginiá]

I can't believe people are here are actually buying into Sinema BS lol
I don't for 1 second believe that she will vote against the reconciliation bill if even Joe Manchin ends up supporting it in the end

I mean, when January came, there were a quite a few users convinced Manchin and Sinema wouldn't actually block FB reform / HR1 when push came to shove, and block it they did.

Not saying she will vote against it in the end, but to be so sure about it is not appropriate. There is a decent amount of evidence at this point that Sinema is an opportunist and far from the leftist she pretended to be rising through the ranks in Arizona, who is completely fine with blocking that bill and others if she thinks it will benefit her (possibly post-political career) or otherwise make her life easier.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Does anyone think Pelosi's threat to hold the infrastructure bill hostage to a reconciliation package will hold up? It seems to me she will have to accept what both Sinema and Manchin are willing to accept, and if it drags out, she might face a discharge petition to at least get the infrastructure bill passed. I don't think the hold hostage approach will be popular (particular if interest and inflation begin to inch up), and the optics are terrible. Team Sanders and Pelosi at least in public seem to act as if they have cards to play in their deck, that I at least can't discern myself.  Am I missing something here?

Congress waits til the end of the ye to pay it's bills anyways there will be some sort of deal combined with the debt ceiling, we have gone thru this every yr, they gotta pass budget deal so the shutdown doesn't materialize in the Fall and it will happen with Reconciliation

These same Maverick Senators including Warmer and Cassidy were instrumental in passing stimulus plus an Omnibus spending bill last yr

[Buffalo Mayor Young Kim]

https://twitter.com/escochrane/status/1420507296690495488
Lmao to anybody who actually believes Sinema here. Just like Manchin tHrEaTeNiNg not to vote for the ARP. It's the cycle.

If it's all kabuki why is there a filibuster?

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Does anyone think Pelosi's threat to hold the infrastructure bill hostage to a reconciliation package will hold up? It seems to me she will have to accept what both Sinema and Manchin are willing to accept, and if it drags out, she might face a discharge petition to at least get the infrastructure bill passed. I don't think the hold hostage approach will be popular (particular if interest and inflation begin to inch up), and the optics are terrible. Team Sanders and Pelosi at least in public seem to act as if they have cards to play in their deck, that I at least can't discern myself.  Am I missing something here?

Yes, getting nothing is unambiguously better than passing something Sinema wants enacted without getting significant progressive legislation passed in exchange.  If Manchin, Tester, and Sinema (R-AZ), aren’t going to keep their word then the House should kill their pet piece of crap.  The deal was their pet piece of crap in exchange for the $3.5 billion reconciliation bill.  The Democrats deserve to lose the House if the “bipartisan” piece of crap gets passed by Congress and the reconciliation bill doesn’t.

Biden can piss off too btw, he’s enabling this nonsense by acting like a passive, impotent bystander instead of a President.  He needs to take a less from Pelosi and Schumer and start doing his job for a change.

[Torie]

Does anyone think Pelosi's threat to hold the infrastructure bill hostage to a reconciliation package will hold up? It seems to me she will have to accept what both Sinema and Manchin are willing to accept, and if it drags out, she might face a discharge petition to at least get the infrastructure bill passed. I don't think the hold hostage approach will be popular (particular if interest and inflation begin to inch up), and the optics are terrible. Team Sanders and Pelosi at least in public seem to act as if they have cards to play in their deck, that I at least can't discern myself.  Am I missing something here?

Yes, getting nothing is unambiguously better than passing something Sinema wants enacted without getting significant progressive legislation passed in exchange.  If Manchin, Tester, and Sinema (R-AZ), aren’t going to keep their word then the House should kill their pet piece of crap.  The deal was their pet piece of crap in exchange for the $3.5 billion reconciliation bill.  The Democrats deserve to lose the House if the “bipartisan” piece of crap gets passed by Congress and the reconciliation bill doesn’t.

Biden can piss off too btw, he’s enabling this nonsense by acting like a passive, impotent bystander instead of a President.  He needs to take a less from Pelosi and Schumer and start doing his job for a change.

Thank you for your opinion, but I guess the issue is whether or not team Pelosi shares that point of view as well, that nothing is better than something, for whatever reason. Granted, you seem to be saying that the infrastructure bill is bad on its own merits, for whatever reason.

[Frodo]

https://twitter.com/AP/status/1422012687207346177

[Brittain33]

Does anyone think Pelosi's threat to hold the infrastructure bill hostage to a reconciliation package will hold up? It seems to me she will have to accept what both Sinema and Manchin are willing to accept, and if it drags out, she might face a discharge petition to at least get the infrastructure bill passed. I don't think the hold hostage approach will be popular (particular if interest and inflation begin to inch up), and the optics are terrible. Team Sanders and Pelosi at least in public seem to act as if they have cards to play in their deck, that I at least can't discern myself.  Am I missing something here?

I am skeptical a discharge petition would ever be used against Pelosi. It takes a remarkable circumstance for it to be used and she has good if not perfect control of her caucus.

[Torie]

Does anyone think Pelosi's threat to hold the infrastructure bill hostage to a reconciliation package will hold up? It seems to me she will have to accept what both Sinema and Manchin are willing to accept, and if it drags out, she might face a discharge petition to at least get the infrastructure bill passed. I don't think the hold hostage approach will be popular (particular if interest and inflation begin to inch up), and the optics are terrible. Team Sanders and Pelosi at least in public seem to act as if they have cards to play in their deck, that I at least can't discern myself.  Am I missing something here?

I am skeptical a discharge petition would ever be used against Pelosi. It takes a remarkable circumstance for it to be used and she has good if not perfect control of her caucus.

I understand, but I suspect the threat of it has caused tacking in the past. I just don't believe that ending up with nothing is going to happen, so somebody is going to have to tack.

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

Does anyone think Pelosi's threat to hold the infrastructure bill hostage to a reconciliation package will hold up? It seems to me she will have to accept what both Sinema and Manchin are willing to accept, and if it drags out, she might face a discharge petition to at least get the infrastructure bill passed. I don't think the hold hostage approach will be popular (particular if interest and inflation begin to inch up), and the optics are terrible. Team Sanders and Pelosi at least in public seem to act as if they have cards to play in their deck, that I at least can't discern myself.  Am I missing something here?

I am skeptical a discharge petition would ever be used against Pelosi. It takes a remarkable circumstance for it to be used and she has good if not perfect control of her caucus.

It's far easier to do it than it would be in most congresses because of the narrow margin.
Even if only half as many Dems would sign on as the number of Rs that signed the 2018 immigration discharge attempt, it would have the votes to go forward. It's important to remember that the "calendar monday only" rule that the GOP used to limit opportunity for the immigration petition was eliminated in a compromise with the problem solvers caucus when Pelosi became Speaker - short of adjourning the House for the rest of the year, there's nothing Pelosi can do if the signatures are there. And they might be eventually.

[Person Man]

What's going on now with it?

[emailking]

What's going on now with it?

They're working through amendments. McConnell urged Schumer to let it play out to keep everyone happy on his side.

[Frodo]

The Congressional Budget Office confirms what many of us had already suspected:

CBO: Infrastructure Bill Would Add $256 Billion to Deficit

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

Senate is trying to get an agreement for various amendment votes and final passage to happen overnight or tomorrow. The Eunice Lee cloture vote is being held open while Senators continue to talk on the floor.

If there is no deal, Senators will take a series of procedural votes over the weekend:

Saturday: Cloture on Schumer Manager's Amendment, as amended by the previous amendments
Sunday: Final on Schumer Amendment, Cloture on Bill
Monday: Motion to Override Budget Point of Order (if needed), Final on Bill.

Once this bill is passed the Senate will start on the budget resolution.

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

https://twitter.com/burgessev/status/1423491554338123779

[Roll Roons]

https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1424041519279915010

[Sestak]

Vote has indeed passed 60.

[American2020]

https://twitter.com/burgessev/status/1424056091969822720

[Starry Eyed Jagaloon]

GOP yes votes:

Blunt, Capito, Cassidy, Collins, Cornyn, Cramer, Crapo, Fischer, Grassley, Hoeven, McConnell, Murkowski, Portman, Risch, Rounds, Romney, Tillis, Young

[MT Treasurer]

GOP yes votes:

Blunt, Capito, Cassidy, Collins, Cornyn, Cramer, Crapo, Fischer, Grassley, Hoeven, McConnell, Murkowski, Portman, Risch, Rounds, Romney, Tillis, Young

Not Daines? Must be a very partisan package then, I want a little more bipartisanship still

[Bootes Void]

Heres Trump's view:
Trump slams McConnell, infrastructure package: 'A disgrace'

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/566838-trump-slams-mcconnell-infrastructure-package-a-disgrace

Former President Trump on Saturday slammed the Senate's $1 trillion bipartisan infrastructure package just hours before the upper chamber is scheduled to vote on winding down debate, calling the bill a “disgrace” and pushing Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to negotiate a better deal.

The ex-commander in chief issued the message from his Save America PAC, accusing Republican leaders of satisfying the policy agenda of Democrats and telling GOP senators to think “twice before you approve this terrible deal.”

“Joe Biden’s infrastructure bill is a disgrace,” Trump wrote. “If Mitch McConnell was smart, which we’ve seen no evidence of, he would use the debt ceiling card to negotiate a good infrastructure package.”

Trump went on to express doubt that lawmakers have actually read through the entirety of the 2,700-page infrastructure proposal, arguing, “They would have needed to take speed reading courses.”

“It is a gift to the Democrat Party, compliments of Mitch McConnell and some RINOs [Republicans in name only], who have no idea what they are doing,” he added.

Trump, who has used his platform in recent months to throw his support behind allied congressional candidates running in 2022, warned Saturday that the “infrastructure bill will be used against the Republican Party in the upcoming elections in 2022 and 2024.”

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

As long as the Biden DOJ leaves Trump alone, Trump is gonna continue to interfere in the politics, just like he is doing with Voter Suppression

They keep talking about Jan 6th Instead of Ukraine

[Lief 🗽]

Looks like Biden has pulled off an historic, bipartisan achievement. Where are all the very smart media people now who called him a senile old fool for even trying? When will the President receive their formal, preferably written, apologies?

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

https://mobile.twitter.com/ChadPergram/status/1424141653015777281