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« Reply #750 on: July 28, 2021, 08:20:32 PM »
« edited: July 28, 2021, 08:35:10 PM by The DNC Hates the Left More Than Transphobes »


But guys you don’t get it we need to vote blue no matter who even if they block every bit of progress just like an R would

Um, in general elections, Yes. Had she lost to McSally, Biden would have accomplished absolutely nothing outside of executive orders.

It's likely that Sinema goes down in the primary in 2024, but if she survives somehow, you've got to still prefer her over Kelli Ward or whoever the Arizona GOP nominates. Her Republican replacement would be orders of magnitude worse.

I respectfully disagree. If I wanted to vote for someone who would obstruct the Democratic agenda, I would vote for a Republican.

Your vote is the most powerful tool you have to control a politician. With all of us together, Democrats can start acting like Democrats again.
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« Reply #751 on: July 28, 2021, 08:31:15 PM »

You all acting like getting this through isn't a massive accomplishment that will help the American people on its own smh.

That’s because it isn’t.  It’s a sh!t sandwich we were prepared to eat to get to $3.5 trillion reconciliation bill. 

No, it isn't. This is really, really important stuff that we've been needing for years. The contents and funding of this bill are genuinely exceptional--and better than any of us could have hoped pre-2021. Don't move the goalposts. This is the most important infrastructure investment since the Eisenhower Interstate System. We've spent the past decade talking about broadband, about transit, about bringing our roads back to a state of good repair. This will do that and more. Topline numbers aren't everything.
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« Reply #752 on: July 28, 2021, 08:59:01 PM »


But guys you don’t get it we need to vote blue no matter who even if they block every bit of progress just like an R would

Um, in general elections, Yes. Had she lost to McSally, Biden would have accomplished absolutely nothing outside of executive orders.

It's likely that Sinema goes down in the primary in 2024, but if she survives somehow, you've got to still prefer her over Kelli Ward or whoever the Arizona GOP nominates. Her Republican replacement would be orders of magnitude worse.

I respectfully disagree. If I wanted to vote for someone who would obstruct the Democratic agenda, I would vote for a Republican.

Your vote is the most powerful tool you have to control a politician. With all of us together, Democrats can start acting like Democrats again.

We can't though. Democrats only get anything because Manchin, Tester, Sinema, and the other 47 won their races. Had any single one of them lost, there would be no infrastructure deal, no judges at all, lots of executive vacancies probably, potentially cabinet vacancies or at least concessions made to Mitch McConnell just to fill them.

I don't like Sinema. I hope she gets primaried out in 2024 since Arizona could elect a more progressive Democrat. But in the meantime I'm soooooooo glad she's in there over McSally and I'm grateful that every one of her voters who want someone who will fight for progressive causes more than she does (which is the vast majority of them) decided to vote for her anyway and give the Democrats a majority.
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« Reply #753 on: July 29, 2021, 03:28:04 AM »

You all acting like getting this through isn't a massive accomplishment that will help the American people on its own smh.

That’s because it isn’t.  It’s a sh!t sandwich we were prepared to eat to get to $3.5 trillion reconciliation bill. 

No, it isn't. This is really, really important stuff that we've been needing for years. The contents and funding of this bill are genuinely exceptional--and better than any of us could have hoped pre-2021. Don't move the goalposts. This is the most important infrastructure investment since the Eisenhower Interstate System. We've spent the past decade talking about broadband, about transit, about bringing our roads back to a state of good repair. This will do that and more. Topline numbers aren't everything.

Yeah seriously wtf, four years ago there was all this idiotic chatter about a trillion dollar infrastructure bill that would make the GOP the populist left-wing economic party of the Working ClassTM and now that we actually do have a trillion dollar infrastructure bill, we're acting like this is some kind of defeat?

Hundreds of billions of dollars for roads, public transit, passenger rail, electric vehicles, airports, ports, drinking water, environmental projects, power grid, and nationwide broadband is now a defeat?
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« Reply #754 on: July 29, 2021, 03:41:08 AM »

Very funny that people here are pretending that a bill that totals to - what, an eighth? Of the original Biden proposal is somehow “getting everything we/Biden wanted”.

Elder care funding is dead. The child tax credit and universal child care are dead. If you’re happy about that, at least go ahead and admit it instead of pretending that “oh, everyone only ever actually wanted the stuff that’s in the small bill”.
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« Reply #755 on: July 29, 2021, 04:00:37 AM »

Very funny that people here are pretending that a bill that totals to - what, an eighth? Of the original Biden proposal is somehow “getting everything we/Biden wanted”.

Elder care funding is dead. The child tax credit and universal child care are dead. If you’re happy about that, at least go ahead and admit it instead of pretending that “oh, everyone only ever actually wanted the stuff that’s in the small bill”.

The bipartisan bill on hard-infrastructure & reconciliation package on literally-everything-else-in-the-American-Jobs-&-Families-Plans-that-isn't-hard-infrastructure constitute literally everything that Biden asked Congress for, & if you respond by unironically saying that Sinema just killed the reconciliation package, then I have a fully paid-for bridge to sell you.
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« Reply #756 on: July 29, 2021, 04:25:55 AM »
« Edited: July 29, 2021, 04:33:34 AM by Clarko95 📚💰📈 »

Very funny that people here are pretending that a bill that totals to - what, an eighth? Of the original Biden proposal is somehow “getting everything we/Biden wanted”.

Elder care funding is dead. The child tax credit and universal child care are dead. If you’re happy about that, at least go ahead and admit it instead of pretending that “oh, everyone only ever actually wanted the stuff that’s in the small bill”.

Who are you even addressing? No one is saying that. I'm pretty sure everyone here is aware there are two separate bills moving through Congress.
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« Reply #757 on: July 29, 2021, 04:38:39 AM »

Very funny that people here are pretending that a bill that totals to - what, an eighth? Of the original Biden proposal is somehow “getting everything we/Biden wanted”.

Elder care funding is dead. The child tax credit and universal child care are dead. If you’re happy about that, at least go ahead and admit it instead of pretending that “oh, everyone only ever actually wanted the stuff that’s in the small bill”.

The bipartisan bill on hard-infrastructure & reconciliation package on literally-everything-else-in-the-American-Jobs-&-Families-Plans-that-isn't-hard-infrastructure constitute literally everything that Biden asked Congress for, & if you respond by unironically saying that Sinema just killed the reconciliation package, then I have a fully paid-for bridge to sell you.

I’m just finding it very hard to believe that McConnell was willing to let the votes go on the bipartisan package unless he has what he views as an ironclad guarantee of the reconciliation side failing. Maybe the Dems have him outmaneuvered on this but that would be a first.
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« Reply #758 on: July 29, 2021, 05:14:04 AM »

Very funny that people here are pretending that a bill that totals to - what, an eighth? Of the original Biden proposal is somehow “getting everything we/Biden wanted”.

Elder care funding is dead. The child tax credit and universal child care are dead. If you’re happy about that, at least go ahead and admit it instead of pretending that “oh, everyone only ever actually wanted the stuff that’s in the small bill”.

The bipartisan bill on hard-infrastructure & reconciliation package on literally-everything-else-in-the-American-Jobs-&-Families-Plans-that-isn't-hard-infrastructure constitute literally everything that Biden asked Congress for, & if you respond by unironically saying that Sinema just killed the reconciliation package, then I have a fully paid-for bridge to sell you.

I’m just finding it very hard to believe that McConnell was willing to let the votes go on the bipartisan package unless he has what he views as an ironclad guarantee of the reconciliation side failing. Maybe the Dems have him outmaneuvered on this but that would be a first.

I don't see how that's all that likely, given the factors that we already know are at play here: Sinema badly wanting the bipartisan bill to be a thing while Pelosi & her caucus aren't allowing the House to consider the bipartisan bill 'til after the Senate has also sent the reconciliation package over in the fall, meaning that Sinema has to give in on reconciliation so that her baby can become law just as much as the House & Pelosi are giving in on there being a bipartisan bill at all so that they can get their baby - in this case, the comparatively sweeter reconciliation package - to become law. The only influence which the GOP really wields over this process is their ability to kill the bipartisan bill if they wanna, but even they know that if they do so, then Sinema would very likely just retaliate against what would be their evident bad-faith by allowing for reconciliation & still getting the bipartisan-bill provisions that she likes passed as part of the reconciliation package anyway.
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« Reply #759 on: July 29, 2021, 07:03:00 AM »

Is the reconciliation bill still largely the “American Families Plan”?
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« Reply #760 on: July 29, 2021, 08:25:54 AM »

Very funny that people here are pretending that a bill that totals to - what, an eighth? Of the original Biden proposal is somehow “getting everything we/Biden wanted”.

Elder care funding is dead. The child tax credit and universal child care are dead. If you’re happy about that, at least go ahead and admit it instead of pretending that “oh, everyone only ever actually wanted the stuff that’s in the small bill”.

The bipartisan bill on hard-infrastructure & reconciliation package on literally-everything-else-in-the-American-Jobs-&-Families-Plans-that-isn't-hard-infrastructure constitute literally everything that Biden asked Congress for, & if you respond by unironically saying that Sinema just killed the reconciliation package, then I have a fully paid-for bridge to sell you.

I’m just finding it very hard to believe that McConnell was willing to let the votes go on the bipartisan package unless he has what he views as an ironclad guarantee of the reconciliation side failing. Maybe the Dems have him outmaneuvered on this but that would be a first.

I don't see how that's all that likely, given the factors that we already know are at play here: Sinema badly wanting the bipartisan bill to be a thing while Pelosi & her caucus aren't allowing the House to consider the bipartisan bill 'til after the Senate has also sent the reconciliation package over in the fall, meaning that Sinema has to give in on reconciliation so that her baby can become law just as much as the House & Pelosi are giving in on there being a bipartisan bill at all so that they can get their baby - in this case, the comparatively sweeter reconciliation package - to become law. The only influence which the GOP really wields over this process is their ability to kill the bipartisan bill if they wanna, but even they know that if they do so, then Sinema would very likely just retaliate against what would be their evident bad-faith by allowing for reconciliation & still getting the bipartisan-bill provisions that she likes passed as part of the reconciliation package anyway.

If anything is made the enemy of everything and if we get nothing by Christmas, then they can forget about people donating to their campaign. Sure, the real reason is that we lost too many races where Democrats were favored in 2018 and 2020 (NC, Maine, Florida, Iowa?, Missouri?), not that Democrats don't want to do the things they were elected to do but ultimately many will see this as the need to "start over".
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« Reply #761 on: July 29, 2021, 08:39:57 AM »

Very funny that people here are pretending that a bill that totals to - what, an eighth? Of the original Biden proposal is somehow “getting everything we/Biden wanted”.

Elder care funding is dead. The child tax credit and universal child care are dead. If you’re happy about that, at least go ahead and admit it instead of pretending that “oh, everyone only ever actually wanted the stuff that’s in the small bill”.
What?

An eighth? Biden's original plan was 2.3 trillion, but the details were never released. Because that was never going to pass lol. Its like sticker price on a car

What he really wanted was 1.7 trillion. He is getting 1.2 trillion. That is a win, if it means giving Manchin "bipartisanship"

Elder care and child care will be passed in reconciliation. That is the American Family Plan. Congress has to pass some budget by Oct 1st and there is nothing McConnell can do to stop it.

The FY 2019 budget was 1.3 billion. Democrats want 3.5 trillion for the FY 2022. 1.6 for a boosted budget for regular things and a one time 1.7 trillion that over 10 years pays for

-free community college
-universal pre-k
-national paid leave
-double pell grants
-double title 1
-child/elder care tax credits
-EBT boosted
-Medicaid boosted
-Lower Medicare age
-Medicare covers dental, health, vision
-Obamacare subsidies

Hopefully the FY 2023 budget passed next year will have a public option
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« Reply #762 on: July 29, 2021, 08:51:23 AM »

Very funny that people here are pretending that a bill that totals to - what, an eighth? Of the original Biden proposal is somehow “getting everything we/Biden wanted”.

Elder care funding is dead. The child tax credit and universal child care are dead. If you’re happy about that, at least go ahead and admit it instead of pretending that “oh, everyone only ever actually wanted the stuff that’s in the small bill”.
What?

An eighth? Biden's original plan was 2.3 trillion, but the details were never released. Because that was never going to pass lol. Its like sticker price on a car

What he really wanted was 1.7 trillion. He is getting 1.2 trillion. That is a win, if it means giving Manchin "bipartisanship"

Elder care and child care will be passed in reconciliation. That is the American Family Plan. Congress has to pass some budget by Oct 1st and there is nothing McConnell can do to stop it.

The FY 2019 budget was 1.3 billion. Democrats want 3.5 trillion for the FY 2022. 1.6 for a boosted budget for regular things and a one time 1.7 trillion that over 10 years pays for

-free community college
-universal pre-k
-national paid leave
-double pell grants
-double title 1
-child/elder care tax credits
-EBT boosted
-Medicaid boosted
-Lower Medicare age
-Medicare covers dental, health, vision
-Obamacare subsidies

Hopefully the FY 2023 budget passed next year will have a public option


It's not like there's going to be a "cliff" if nothing happens by 10/1 right? It's not like we are going to default on the debt or there is going to be a shutdown.
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« Reply #763 on: July 29, 2021, 09:47:56 AM »
« Edited: July 29, 2021, 10:01:04 AM by lfromnj »

Oh wow I heard the BIF doesn't have Davis Bacon and contracterz paying the prevailing wage in it ?
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« Reply #764 on: July 29, 2021, 10:11:58 AM »

Very funny that people here are pretending that a bill that totals to - what, an eighth? Of the original Biden proposal is somehow “getting everything we/Biden wanted”.

Elder care funding is dead. The child tax credit and universal child care are dead. If you’re happy about that, at least go ahead and admit it instead of pretending that “oh, everyone only ever actually wanted the stuff that’s in the small bill”.
What?

An eighth? Biden's original plan was 2.3 trillion, but the details were never released. Because that was never going to pass lol. Its like sticker price on a car

What he really wanted was 1.7 trillion. He is getting 1.2 trillion. That is a win, if it means giving Manchin "bipartisanship"

Elder care and child care will be passed in reconciliation. That is the American Family Plan. Congress has to pass some budget by Oct 1st and there is nothing McConnell can do to stop it.

The FY 2019 budget was 1.3 billion. Democrats want 3.5 trillion for the FY 2022. 1.6 for a boosted budget for regular things and a one time 1.7 trillion that over 10 years pays for

-free community college
-universal pre-k
-national paid leave
-double pell grants
-double title 1
-child/elder care tax credits
-EBT boosted
-Medicaid boosted
-Lower Medicare age
-Medicare covers dental, health, vision
-Obamacare subsidies

Hopefully the FY 2023 budget passed next year will have a public option


It's not like there's going to be a "cliff" if nothing happens by 10/1 right? It's not like we are going to default on the debt or there is going to be a shutdown.
Actually yes

That said, rarely is the budget passed by Oct 1

Usually they pass a temporary spending bill at current levels to buy more times. Recent years the budget was passed by December to Januarary

Nancy Pelosi forced the FY 2021 budget until the new year so that Biden could have three budgets before midterms. The ARP was just the FY 2021 budget lol

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« Reply #765 on: July 29, 2021, 10:15:58 AM »

Very funny that people here are pretending that a bill that totals to - what, an eighth? Of the original Biden proposal is somehow “getting everything we/Biden wanted”.

Elder care funding is dead. The child tax credit and universal child care are dead. If you’re happy about that, at least go ahead and admit it instead of pretending that “oh, everyone only ever actually wanted the stuff that’s in the small bill”.
What?

An eighth? Biden's original plan was 2.3 trillion, but the details were never released. Because that was never going to pass lol. Its like sticker price on a car

What he really wanted was 1.7 trillion. He is getting 1.2 trillion. That is a win, if it means giving Manchin "bipartisanship"

Elder care and child care will be passed in reconciliation. That is the American Family Plan. Congress has to pass some budget by Oct 1st and there is nothing McConnell can do to stop it.

The FY 2019 budget was 1.3 billion. Democrats want 3.5 trillion for the FY 2022. 1.6 for a boosted budget for regular things and a one time 1.7 trillion that over 10 years pays for

-free community college
-universal pre-k
-national paid leave
-double pell grants
-double title 1
-child/elder care tax credits
-EBT boosted
-Medicaid boosted
-Lower Medicare age
-Medicare covers dental, health, vision
-Obamacare subsidies

Hopefully the FY 2023 budget passed next year will have a public option


It's not like there's going to be a "cliff" if nothing happens by 10/1 right? It's not like we are going to default on the debt or there is going to be a shutdown.
Actually yes

That said, rarely is the budget passed by Oct 1

Usually they pass a temporary spending bill at current levels to buy more times. Recent years the budget was passed by December to Januarary

Nancy Pelosi forced the FY 2021 budget until the new year so that Biden could have three budgets before midterms. The ARP was just the FY 2021 budget lol



Could Schumer and Pelosi in theory use a cliff to force Senate centrists and House socialists to get together and pass SOMETHING by then?
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« Reply #766 on: July 29, 2021, 10:23:48 AM »

Very funny that people here are pretending that a bill that totals to - what, an eighth? Of the original Biden proposal is somehow “getting everything we/Biden wanted”.

Elder care funding is dead. The child tax credit and universal child care are dead. If you’re happy about that, at least go ahead and admit it instead of pretending that “oh, everyone only ever actually wanted the stuff that’s in the small bill”.
What?

An eighth? Biden's original plan was 2.3 trillion, but the details were never released. Because that was never going to pass lol. Its like sticker price on a car

What he really wanted was 1.7 trillion. He is getting 1.2 trillion. That is a win, if it means giving Manchin "bipartisanship"

Elder care and child care will be passed in reconciliation. That is the American Family Plan. Congress has to pass some budget by Oct 1st and there is nothing McConnell can do to stop it.

The FY 2019 budget was 1.3 billion. Democrats want 3.5 trillion for the FY 2022. 1.6 for a boosted budget for regular things and a one time 1.7 trillion that over 10 years pays for

-free community college
-universal pre-k
-national paid leave
-double pell grants
-double title 1
-child/elder care tax credits
-EBT boosted
-Medicaid boosted
-Lower Medicare age
-Medicare covers dental, health, vision
-Obamacare subsidies

Hopefully the FY 2023 budget passed next year will have a public option


It's not like there's going to be a "cliff" if nothing happens by 10/1 right? It's not like we are going to default on the debt or there is going to be a shutdown.
Actually yes

That said, rarely is the budget passed by Oct 1

Usually they pass a temporary spending bill at current levels to buy more times. Recent years the budget was passed by December to Januarary

Nancy Pelosi forced the FY 2021 budget until the new year so that Biden could have three budgets before midterms. The ARP was just the FY 2021 budget lol



Could Schumer and Pelosi in theory use a cliff to force Senate centrists and House socialists to get together and pass SOMETHING by then?
Eh, I guess?

That would never happen though. The threat of going off a cliff is only used by opposition parties. Going off the cliff would result in millions of government workers not getting paid, causing a recession. Stock markets would crash and would kill the economy. No party in power would dare mention that

Plus it would make Democrats look weak and divided. And make leadership (Schumer and Pelosi) look like they were unable to control their members

Plus, that would probably make Manchin switch parties. We know McConnell offered that to him

Besides, the bipartisan bill will probably be passed in the next two weeks. And a rough blueprint for the budget to be worked on after the August recess and hopefully passed by October.


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« Reply #767 on: July 29, 2021, 10:32:31 AM »
« Edited: July 29, 2021, 10:35:33 AM by Mr. Kanye West »

Sinema doesn't support 3.5T in spending for Reconciliation, it's gonna be cut to her liking to 2T we have a debt ceiling coming up, that 3=5T is DOA

They say the Economy is back to pre Pandemic norms, they lie, they are closing all of Aldi stores, if anyone thinks that all the white color jobs that are being replaced, like Teaching jobs that were outsourced with blue collar factor jobs and all the store closings, they have another thing coming.

It will be back once we end Covid for good
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« Reply #768 on: July 29, 2021, 11:11:55 AM »

Very funny that people here are pretending that a bill that totals to - what, an eighth? Of the original Biden proposal is somehow “getting everything we/Biden wanted”.

Elder care funding is dead. The child tax credit and universal child care are dead. If you’re happy about that, at least go ahead and admit it instead of pretending that “oh, everyone only ever actually wanted the stuff that’s in the small bill”.
What?

An eighth? Biden's original plan was 2.3 trillion, but the details were never released. Because that was never going to pass lol. Its like sticker price on a car

What he really wanted was 1.7 trillion. He is getting 1.2 trillion. That is a win, if it means giving Manchin "bipartisanship"

Elder care and child care will be passed in reconciliation. That is the American Family Plan. Congress has to pass some budget by Oct 1st and there is nothing McConnell can do to stop it.

The FY 2019 budget was 1.3 billion. Democrats want 3.5 trillion for the FY 2022. 1.6 for a boosted budget for regular things and a one time 1.7 trillion that over 10 years pays for

-free community college
-universal pre-k
-national paid leave
-double pell grants
-double title 1
-child/elder care tax credits
-EBT boosted
-Medicaid boosted
-Lower Medicare age
-Medicare covers dental, health, vision
-Obamacare subsidies

Hopefully the FY 2023 budget passed next year will have a public option


It's not like there's going to be a "cliff" if nothing happens by 10/1 right? It's not like we are going to default on the debt or there is going to be a shutdown.
Actually yes

That said, rarely is the budget passed by Oct 1

Usually they pass a temporary spending bill at current levels to buy more times. Recent years the budget was passed by December to Januarary

Nancy Pelosi forced the FY 2021 budget until the new year so that Biden could have three budgets before midterms. The ARP was just the FY 2021 budget lol



Could Schumer and Pelosi in theory use a cliff to force Senate centrists and House socialists to get together and pass SOMETHING by then?
Eh, I guess?

That would never happen though. The threat of going off a cliff is only used by opposition parties. Going off the cliff would result in millions of government workers not getting paid, causing a recession. Stock markets would crash and would kill the economy. No party in power would dare mention that

Plus it would make Democrats look weak and divided. And make leadership (Schumer and Pelosi) look like they were unable to control their members

Plus, that would probably make Manchin switch parties. We know McConnell offered that to him

Besides, the bipartisan bill will probably be passed in the next two weeks. And a rough blueprint for the budget to be worked on after the August recess and hopefully passed by October.




If Manchin wanted to switch parties, would he have done so? Of course Sinema could never be a Republican so she is just SOL if nothing happens at all.
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« Reply #769 on: July 29, 2021, 12:48:57 PM »

Very funny that people here are pretending that a bill that totals to - what, an eighth? Of the original Biden proposal is somehow “getting everything we/Biden wanted”.

Elder care funding is dead. The child tax credit and universal child care are dead. If you’re happy about that, at least go ahead and admit it instead of pretending that “oh, everyone only ever actually wanted the stuff that’s in the small bill”.
What?

An eighth? Biden's original plan was 2.3 trillion, but the details were never released. Because that was never going to pass lol. Its like sticker price on a car

What he really wanted was 1.7 trillion. He is getting 1.2 trillion. That is a win, if it means giving Manchin "bipartisanship"

Elder care and child care will be passed in reconciliation. That is the American Family Plan. Congress has to pass some budget by Oct 1st and there is nothing McConnell can do to stop it.

The FY 2019 budget was 1.3 billion. Democrats want 3.5 trillion for the FY 2022. 1.6 for a boosted budget for regular things and a one time 1.7 trillion that over 10 years pays for

-free community college
-universal pre-k
-national paid leave
-double pell grants
-double title 1
-child/elder care tax credits
-EBT boosted
-Medicaid boosted
-Lower Medicare age
-Medicare covers dental, health, vision
-Obamacare subsidies

Hopefully the FY 2023 budget passed next year will have a public option


It's not like there's going to be a "cliff" if nothing happens by 10/1 right? It's not like we are going to default on the debt or there is going to be a shutdown.
Actually yes

That said, rarely is the budget passed by Oct 1

Usually they pass a temporary spending bill at current levels to buy more times. Recent years the budget was passed by December to Januarary

Nancy Pelosi forced the FY 2021 budget until the new year so that Biden could have three budgets before midterms. The ARP was just the FY 2021 budget lol



Could Schumer and Pelosi in theory use a cliff to force Senate centrists and House socialists to get together and pass SOMETHING by then?
Eh, I guess?

That would never happen though. The threat of going off a cliff is only used by opposition parties. Going off the cliff would result in millions of government workers not getting paid, causing a recession. Stock markets would crash and would kill the economy. No party in power would dare mention that

Plus it would make Democrats look weak and divided. And make leadership (Schumer and Pelosi) look like they were unable to control their members

Plus, that would probably make Manchin switch parties. We know McConnell offered that to him

Besides, the bipartisan bill will probably be passed in the next two weeks. And a rough blueprint for the budget to be worked on after the August recess and hopefully passed by October.




If Manchin wanted to switch parties, would he have done so? Of course Sinema could never be a Republican so she is just SOL if nothing happens at all.
Manchin probably won't switch parties. Based off his voting record, its clear he is a Democrat. He had numerous chances to switch but didn't because he doesn't want to

That said, we can never be sure. If we bully him, the offer to switch and serve another term won't be so bad
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« Reply #770 on: July 29, 2021, 02:59:50 PM »

Is the reconciliation bill still largely the “American Families Plan”?

In addition to those aspects of the "American Jobs Plan" that didn't make it into the bipartisan bill, yes.
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« Reply #771 on: July 29, 2021, 03:38:45 PM »

I have saved d this before the D's are giving us what we already have Dual coverage, Seniors get their premiums paid 144.00 a mnth by Medicaid, Medicaid pays for everything but a fee for prescription drugs, we already have that, but nice going for Seniors or Disabled that's incomes are too high to get Medicaid like 1300 and over

If you get less than 1200 in SSA benefits you qualify for Medicaid and Medicare, which you need in case you have to go to a nursing home, Medicare doesn't pay for long term care for nursing home, Medicaid does
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« Reply #772 on: July 29, 2021, 09:17:29 PM »

Infrastructure week but unironically? Awesome. Build, baby, build! It's about time the Democrats became the party of building stuff again. More of this and less culture war BS, please. And yes I know the Republicans start a lot of the culture war fires but they do it because they know it's the only way they can win. The key is to not fall into their traps and just tout our way more popular economic policy at every opportunity.
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« Reply #773 on: July 29, 2021, 10:57:34 PM »

Infrastructure week but unironically? Awesome. Build, baby, build! It's about time the Democrats became the party of building stuff again. More of this and less culture war BS, please. And yes I know the Republicans start a lot of the culture war fires but they do it because they know it's the only way they can win. The key is to not fall into their traps and just tout our way more popular economic policy at every opportunity.

There has been zero culture war legislation coming from the Dems.  I can't even think of any culture war executive orders.
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« Reply #774 on: August 01, 2021, 10:41:46 AM »

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