Biden infrastructure/tax increase megathread

[emailking]

I remember some saying there are good and bad climate things in the bipartisan bill.

[President Johnson]

No surprise since Manchin is just doing what his donors of the fossil fuel industry are telling him. I'm not the biggest fan of AOC, but she's completely right here.

Unless individual US states and the private sector are doing even more, America is unfortunately on track to lose the "battle" of over becoming the green superpower of the 21st century. I'm actually glad all major parties in government in Germany (or most of Europe) actually agree here. It's just kinda sad investments in climate action and renewable energies are still not consensus in America. I'm aware the fossil fuel industry employs a lot of people, but nobody is calling to close them at once. Making sure there are other jobs available is an obligation of the government in the meantime.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

We only have until Nov 2032 to listen to Sinema and Manchin on Filibuster, Trifecta is still possible with 52 seats or more with Biden leading in FL and we can Amend this bill

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

No surprise since Manchin is just doing what his donors of the fossil fuel industry are telling him. I'm not the biggest fan of AOC, but she's completely right here.

Unless individual US states and the private sector are doing even more, America is unfortunately on track to lose the "battle" of over becoming the green superpower of the 21st century. I'm actually glad all major parties in government in Germany (or most of Europe) actually agree here. It's just kinda sad investments in climate action and renewable energies are still not consensus in America. I'm aware the fossil fuel industry employs a lot of people, but nobody is calling to close them at once. Making sure there are other jobs available is an obligation of the government in the meantime.

Parliamentary said all Reconciliation bills can be Amended, if D's win 2022 they can amend the Bill for 2023, stop worrying all Ds have to do is hold the Trifecta and get 52 SEN votes but OH and FL and NH can Fall for 53/47

[CookieDamage]

If Manchin won't pass any climate provisions, then we need to kill both bills.

Why not roll out the red carpet for Trump?

That's a good question for Manchin and Sinema — are their personal financial interests really worth risking a fascist, authoritarian coup? Seemingly, they are. Because bloodsuckers like Manchin and Sinema assume no one in their class will actually pay the price. Risky bet.

Have you heard of the phrase "you have to work with what you have" ?

The fact that you would rather destroy this country than give up some of what you want disgusts me.

Moderates: *gut the reconciliation bill so it is almost entirely toothless in order to appease donors*

Progressives: Ok *nixes the infrastructure bill*

Moderates: wtf why are you destroying this country

[Pres Mike]

No surprise since Manchin is just doing what his donors of the fossil fuel industry are telling him. I'm not the biggest fan of AOC, but she's completely right here.

Unless individual US states and the private sector are doing even more, America is unfortunately on track to lose the "battle" of over becoming the green superpower of the 21st century. I'm actually glad all major parties in government in Germany (or most of Europe) actually agree here. It's just kinda sad investments in climate action and renewable energies are still not consensus in America. I'm aware the fossil fuel industry employs a lot of people, but nobody is calling to close them at once. Making sure there are other jobs available is an obligation of the government in the meantime.

There are several issues transitioning oil/gas workers to green jobs.

First, they can be in totally different career fields. An engineer working wind turbines needs a different set of education than a gas worker.

Second, green energy typically requires a lot more education to work. Oil/gas jobs are probably the best paying field for non college educated workers.

Third, green jobs pay a lot less. They just do. Most oil/gas workers belong to legacy unions from decades ago.

Fourth, they are in different areas. A gas worker in Louisiana isn’t going to just sell his house to work in a wind field in Nebraska. Never mind it’ll devastate local economies

Fifth, green jobs just hire less people

[MillennialModerate]

Climate is a real issue but I struggle to think we can make a real difference if the rest of the world doesn’t follow suit so honestly I don’t care that much if Manchin forces climate provisions to be scrapped.

I have more of an issue with the things SINEMA wants scrapped

Just get the thing passed - if they can do that and get the number anywhere near $2.2T it should be a meaningful package

[Torie]

Climate is a real issue but I struggle to think we can make a real difference if the rest of the world doesn’t follow suit so honestly I don’t care that much if Manchin forces climate provisions to be scrapped.

I have more of an issue with the things SINEMA wants scrapped

Just get the thing passed - if they can do that and get the number anywhere near $2.2T it should be a meaningful package

Sinema confided in you? Please share what she said! Thanks.

[MillennialModerate]

Climate is a real issue but I struggle to think we can make a real difference if the rest of the world doesn’t follow suit so honestly I don’t care that much if Manchin forces climate provisions to be scrapped.

I have more of an issue with the things SINEMA wants scrapped

Just get the thing passed - if they can do that and get the number anywhere near $2.2T it should be a meaningful package

Sinema confided in you? Please share what she said! Thanks.

Correction:

The things she disagrees with….

Being able to negotiate prescription drug prices. Raising taxes on the wealthy and corporations

[Progressive Pessimist]

I can't believe I am going to be making this reference, but negotiating with Manchin and Sinema reminds me of this scene from 'You Don't Mess With the Zohan:'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kxaCcVIaFc

[NOVA Green]

Problem the DEMs have here is the longer this thing drags out the less popular the individual programs will become and the more disgruntled voters will gets with all of the delays because most Americans simply don't understand the intricacies of the "sausage making" process.

Bottom line, let's just move forward with the best we can get, and as I posted upthread setup  tripwires and expiration dates.

We can't stop what Manchin and Sinema will do for their "Red Lines" right now (Although we can always exact retribution later in the 2024 PRIM).

Still---- NO BIF until we get HIF part of BBB.

[Matty]

Wow!

https://mobile.twitter.com/axios/status/1449866575964688394

[Hindsight was 2020]

Wow!

https://mobile.twitter.com/axios/status/1449866575964688394

Disgusting

[Boobs]

Two parents working full-time $15/hr jobs = $62,400. No more child tax credit for them.

Insane or idiotic?

[Tintrlvr]

Two parents working full-time $15/hr jobs = $62,400. No more child tax credit for them.

Insane or idiotic?

I guess this means it would be mostly for single parents. Who, to be fair, on average probably need the help a lot more.

Super frustrating, though. Why should whether children, who can't control anything, get help depend on whether their parents are working?

[Buffalo Mayor Young Kim]

Well you have to understand that he’s from West Virginia and if there is one thing West Virginia is famous for, it’s the kind of high household incomes and strong community systems that makes additional childcare support unnecessary.

[KaiserDave]

He’s so awful

[RFayette 🇻🇦]

Manchin and Sinema are so based.

[GP270watch]

Economists say adding a child tax credit work requirement would harm the neediest kids

 This is just the same Southern Conservative anti-welfare, punish the poor nonsense we've had going on for decades. Biden should tell him to shove his demands up his coal mine.

[Matty]

Might be a dumb question, but how does someone who isn’t working getting a tax credit in the first place? They aren’t filing.

[GP270watch]

Might be a dumb question, but how does someone who isn’t working getting a tax credit in the first place? They aren’t filing.

 Because the tax credit is nonsense. It's the conservative solution to every problem in lieu of comprehensive social programs.

 It's their answer to poverty, childcare, home ownership, retirement, healthcare, making college free etc. You can weaken any social program benefit by putting a work requirement(most poor people already work), and further weaken by means testing. Programs with disjointed constituencies are easy to weaken and demonize and then easily cut.

 Biden dropped the pretense and made the child tax credit an anti-poverty program in addition to helping the working poor and middle class for the very purpose of not disincentivizing work.

[RussFeingoldWasRobbed]

Kill the infrastructure bill then if they won't cooperate!

[Buffalo Mayor Young Kim]

Fire Gail Manchin and start up the Mylan investigations.

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

Wow!

https://mobile.twitter.com/axios/status/1449866575964688394

Why is Manchin allowed to be a committee chairman again?

Heck if the majority expands after the midterms he needs to be kicked out of the Democratic caucus.

[emailking]

Might be a dumb question, but how does someone who isn’t working getting a tax credit in the first place? They aren’t filing.

It's a refundable tax credit. It can reduce your tax liability below zero which means the government would pay you. The rules this year I believe are you don't even need to have any income to take the child tax credit.