Biden infrastructure/tax increase megathread

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

If Manchin won't pass any climate provisions, then we need to kill both bills.

I always knew that socialists in this country are as dumb as a brick.

“Give me everything I want or I will destroy this country”

LOL. Don't worry — I'm not going to report the ad hominem attack. But yeah, I have no interest in passing Manchin's BIB without the climate change provisions in the BBB reconciliation bill. If they're unable to safeguard democracy or mitigate climate change, then this Democratic majority is completely worthless. And it's not the ~95% of the party that insists on destroying everything, it's the two blood-sucking corporate parasites named Manchin and Sinema.

Oh no, pppolitics (and everyone else DARVOing away their destruction of Biden's agenda) is very aware that Manchin and Sinema are the ones holding up the bill.

These people know what they're doing. People like pppolitics and compucomp know they're lying about who started it. They're just so willing to destroy the progressive movement that they're willing to make Biden a do-nothing president.

In other news, these pople hate progressives and see them as a greater enemy than the GOP. They'll pay any price to destroy us - even 4 more years of Trump.

Um, no, you're the ones that won't take half a loaf and will irrationally take none, a sure way to destroy the credibility of the Democratic trifecta and Joe Biden and increasing the chances of Trump comeback. You're the ones that insisted the two bills be linked together, despite this forcing you to take the irrational position of preferring nothing to the BIP. You're the ones who smeared Hillary and voted for Gary Johnson and Jill Stein, bringing Trump to power in the first place.

Manchin and Sinema may be holding up the bill but they have the right to do so because they have the leverage in this negotiation. It can be a rational decision for them to prefer nothing to an excessive reconciliation bill, particularly for Manchin who has been an old-school conservative Southern Democrat his whole career, while the progressive position is irrational since it forces them to prefer nothing to BIP + watered down reconciliation bill, which is 100% opposite to their ideology.

You're the ones who split the loaf in half. Just like you were the ones who decided that you didn't need to reach out and repair the wounds caused by the DNC from the 2016 primary. Trump got brought to power because of entitled children like you who knowingly and willfully refused to put their differences aside. For all this talk about rationality, it's pretty irrational to demand votes from the same wing of people you spent a year antagonizing.

Everyone has the same leverage. Bernie has the same leverage as Manchin or Sinema. The Squad has the same leverage as the Gottheimer Gang. But you only keep that energy of "destroying party unity" when one side is using their leverage. It's particularly nefarious because you know what you're doing. You know the facts aren't on your side. You're just ignoring them because you have your own agenda to push.

Just be honest with yourself and say you'd rather have Republicans than a progressive majority. You've already admitted such before.

[compucomp]

If Manchin won't pass any climate provisions, then we need to kill both bills.

I always knew that socialists in this country are as dumb as a brick.

“Give me everything I want or I will destroy this country”

LOL. Don't worry — I'm not going to report the ad hominem attack. But yeah, I have no interest in passing Manchin's BIB without the climate change provisions in the BBB reconciliation bill. If they're unable to safeguard democracy or mitigate climate change, then this Democratic majority is completely worthless. And it's not the ~95% of the party that insists on destroying everything, it's the two blood-sucking corporate parasites named Manchin and Sinema.

Oh no, pppolitics (and everyone else DARVOing away their destruction of Biden's agenda) is very aware that Manchin and Sinema are the ones holding up the bill.

These people know what they're doing. People like pppolitics and compucomp know they're lying about who started it. They're just so willing to destroy the progressive movement that they're willing to make Biden a do-nothing president.

In other news, these pople hate progressives and see them as a greater enemy than the GOP. They'll pay any price to destroy us - even 4 more years of Trump.

Um, no, you're the ones that won't take half a loaf and will irrationally take none, a sure way to destroy the credibility of the Democratic trifecta and Joe Biden and increasing the chances of Trump comeback. You're the ones that insisted the two bills be linked together, despite this forcing you to take the irrational position of preferring nothing to the BIP. You're the ones who smeared Hillary and voted for Gary Johnson and Jill Stein, bringing Trump to power in the first place.

Manchin and Sinema may be holding up the bill but they have the right to do so because they have the leverage in this negotiation. It can be a rational decision for them to prefer nothing to an excessive reconciliation bill, particularly for Manchin who has been an old-school conservative Southern Democrat his whole career, while the progressive position is irrational since it forces them to prefer nothing to BIP + watered down reconciliation bill, which is 100% opposite to their ideology.

You're the ones who split the loaf in half. Just like you were the ones who decided that you didn't need to reach out and repair the wounds caused by the DNC from the 2016 primary. Trump got brought to power because of entitled children like you who knowingly and willfully refused to put their differences aside. For all this talk about rationality, it's pretty irrational to demand votes from the same wing of people you spent a year antagonizing.

Everyone has the same leverage. Bernie has the same leverage as Manchin or Sinema. The Squad has the same leverage as the Gottheimer Gang. But you only keep that energy of "destroying party unity" when one side is using their leverage. It's particularly nefarious because you know what you're doing. You know the facts aren't on your side. You're just ignoring them because you have your own agenda to push.

Just be honest with yourself and say you'd rather have Republicans than a progressive majority. You've already admitted such before.

Your whole position is just entirely irrational. It doesn't matter even if Hillary Clinton called you guys crackpot liberals on TV, it was still irrational to vote for Gary Johnson or Jill Stein because they had no chance to win and Hillary is far closer to you on the ideological spectrum than Trump. Your negotiating position in the reconciliation bill is similarly irrational; preferring less government spending to more government spending has never been your position yet you're holding on to this in an attempt to get your way. It's like a spoiled child who wants to eat a whole cake, but when told he can only eat half, smashes the cake into the ground.

Moderates have a rational basis for their position, "this bill is too much and I can't support it", and that's why Biden is compromising with Manchin now.

[Frodo]

With inflation rising on everyday household goods (including food), this is a very bad time politically for this idea:

Democrats Weigh Carbon Tax After Manchin Rejects Key Climate Provision
Faced with the likely demise of a central pillar of President Biden’s agenda, the White House and outraged lawmakers are scrambling to find alternatives.

[Buffalo Mayor Young Kim]

If Manchin won't pass any climate provisions, then we need to kill both bills.

I always knew that socialists in this country are as dumb as a brick.

“Give me everything I want or I will destroy this country”

LOL. Don't worry — I'm not going to report the ad hominem attack. But yeah, I have no interest in passing Manchin's BIB without the climate change provisions in the BBB reconciliation bill. If they're unable to safeguard democracy or mitigate climate change, then this Democratic majority is completely worthless. And it's not the ~95% of the party that insists on destroying everything, it's the two blood-sucking corporate parasites named Manchin and Sinema.

Oh no, pppolitics (and everyone else DARVOing away their destruction of Biden's agenda) is very aware that Manchin and Sinema are the ones holding up the bill.

These people know what they're doing. People like pppolitics and compucomp know they're lying about who started it. They're just so willing to destroy the progressive movement that they're willing to make Biden a do-nothing president.

In other news, these pople hate progressives and see them as a greater enemy than the GOP. They'll pay any price to destroy us - even 4 more years of Trump.

Um, no, you're the ones that won't take half a loaf and will irrationally take none, a sure way to destroy the credibility of the Democratic trifecta and Joe Biden and increasing the chances of Trump comeback. You're the ones that insisted the two bills be linked together, despite this forcing you to take the irrational position of preferring nothing to the BIP. You're the ones who smeared Hillary and voted for Gary Johnson and Jill Stein, bringing Trump to power in the first place.

Manchin and Sinema may be holding up the bill but they have the right to do so because they have the leverage in this negotiation. It can be a rational decision for them to prefer nothing to an excessive reconciliation bill, particularly for Manchin who has been an old-school conservative Southern Democrat his whole career, while the progressive position is irrational since it forces them to prefer nothing to BIP + watered down reconciliation bill, which is 100% opposite to their ideology.

You're the ones who split the loaf in half. Just like you were the ones who decided that you didn't need to reach out and repair the wounds caused by the DNC from the 2016 primary. Trump got brought to power because of entitled children like you who knowingly and willfully refused to put their differences aside. For all this talk about rationality, it's pretty irrational to demand votes from the same wing of people you spent a year antagonizing.

Everyone has the same leverage. Bernie has the same leverage as Manchin or Sinema. The Squad has the same leverage as the Gottheimer Gang. But you only keep that energy of "destroying party unity" when one side is using their leverage. It's particularly nefarious because you know what you're doing. You know the facts aren't on your side. You're just ignoring them because you have your own agenda to push.

Just be honest with yourself and say you'd rather have Republicans than a progressive majority. You've already admitted such before.

Your whole position is just entirely irrational. It doesn't matter even if Hillary Clinton called you guys crackpot liberals on TV, it was still irrational to vote for Gary Johnson or Jill Stein because they had no chance to win and Hillary is far closer to you on the ideological spectrum than Trump. Your negotiating position in the reconciliation bill is similarly irrational; preferring less government spending to more government spending has never been your position yet you're holding on to this in an attempt to get your way. It's like a spoiled child who wants to eat a whole cake, but when told he can only eat half, smashes the cake into the ground.

Moderates have a rational basis for their position, "this bill is too much and I can't support it", and that's why Biden is compromising with Manchin now.

Most people without brain injuries don’t evaluate things as more and less in absence of what that thing is.

Hur dur, I thought you wanted more government spending, why can’t you just take my bill for annual hooker subsidies as a win.

Not even you are that dumb.

[Torie]

If Manchin won't pass any climate provisions, then we need to kill both bills. And reinstitute the SALT deduction, so at least donor states can take care of themselves:



The WWC had their chance, now it's time to cut the dead weight. No more bailouts, every state for itself.

Are the two bolded bits really consistent? I assume you know where I am going with this.

Your "modest proposal" does just happen to comport with my personal financial interests, but even I admit that what is in my personal financial interest is not necessarily co-extensive with good public policy. Fancy that.

Yes, they're consistent. Maybe in a universe in which states that benefited from the SALT deduction weren't funding a disproportionate share of the federal treasury, they wouldn't be. But in this universe, they are. NJ is capable of funding its own government, as is MN. KY and WV, not so much. And I would be perfectly willing to contribute to WV's wellbeing, if their elected representatives were willing to help the rest of us mitigate climate change. But they're not. So now I have no interest in bailing them out. The people of NJ and MN should keep their own tax revenue in order to address a problem, at least locally, that the people of KY and WV won't let us rectify at the federal level.

That is your best argument, yes. While federal dollars are subsidizing the high tax states, the high tax states with higher incomes in general are subsidizing the federal government, so it is something of a wash. That assumes that there are few if any low tax, high income states. Are there any?  Bring in the quants!

Huh? No, the high tax states are subsidizing the federal government. What I'm suggesting is reinstituting the SALT deduction, thereby reducing the disparity, and letting the respective states address climate change/infrastructure with their own funds. Which the donor states are perfectly capable of doing. This wouldn't be an issue, but it seems pretty clear that a number of the recipient states are determined to block any federal effort to mitigate climate change.  

Here's a map The Economist made prior to the elimination of the SALT deduction. As you can see, the same general pattern prevailed:

SALT deductions subsidize high tax states, because of the federal deductions, which costs the feds about a third of their revenue. So for each 3 dollars increase in state taxes, the feds will reimburse those who pay it 1 dollar. Absent SALT, no reimbursement back to the payors of the local tax.

No doubt you know all of this, and it is semantics.

[compucomp]

If Manchin won't pass any climate provisions, then we need to kill both bills.

I always knew that socialists in this country are as dumb as a brick.

“Give me everything I want or I will destroy this country”

LOL. Don't worry — I'm not going to report the ad hominem attack. But yeah, I have no interest in passing Manchin's BIB without the climate change provisions in the BBB reconciliation bill. If they're unable to safeguard democracy or mitigate climate change, then this Democratic majority is completely worthless. And it's not the ~95% of the party that insists on destroying everything, it's the two blood-sucking corporate parasites named Manchin and Sinema.

Oh no, pppolitics (and everyone else DARVOing away their destruction of Biden's agenda) is very aware that Manchin and Sinema are the ones holding up the bill.

These people know what they're doing. People like pppolitics and compucomp know they're lying about who started it. They're just so willing to destroy the progressive movement that they're willing to make Biden a do-nothing president.

In other news, these pople hate progressives and see them as a greater enemy than the GOP. They'll pay any price to destroy us - even 4 more years of Trump.

Um, no, you're the ones that won't take half a loaf and will irrationally take none, a sure way to destroy the credibility of the Democratic trifecta and Joe Biden and increasing the chances of Trump comeback. You're the ones that insisted the two bills be linked together, despite this forcing you to take the irrational position of preferring nothing to the BIP. You're the ones who smeared Hillary and voted for Gary Johnson and Jill Stein, bringing Trump to power in the first place.

Manchin and Sinema may be holding up the bill but they have the right to do so because they have the leverage in this negotiation. It can be a rational decision for them to prefer nothing to an excessive reconciliation bill, particularly for Manchin who has been an old-school conservative Southern Democrat his whole career, while the progressive position is irrational since it forces them to prefer nothing to BIP + watered down reconciliation bill, which is 100% opposite to their ideology.

You're the ones who split the loaf in half. Just like you were the ones who decided that you didn't need to reach out and repair the wounds caused by the DNC from the 2016 primary. Trump got brought to power because of entitled children like you who knowingly and willfully refused to put their differences aside. For all this talk about rationality, it's pretty irrational to demand votes from the same wing of people you spent a year antagonizing.

Everyone has the same leverage. Bernie has the same leverage as Manchin or Sinema. The Squad has the same leverage as the Gottheimer Gang. But you only keep that energy of "destroying party unity" when one side is using their leverage. It's particularly nefarious because you know what you're doing. You know the facts aren't on your side. You're just ignoring them because you have your own agenda to push.

Just be honest with yourself and say you'd rather have Republicans than a progressive majority. You've already admitted such before.

Your whole position is just entirely irrational. It doesn't matter even if Hillary Clinton called you guys crackpot liberals on TV, it was still irrational to vote for Gary Johnson or Jill Stein because they had no chance to win and Hillary is far closer to you on the ideological spectrum than Trump. Your negotiating position in the reconciliation bill is similarly irrational; preferring less government spending to more government spending has never been your position yet you're holding on to this in an attempt to get your way. It's like a spoiled child who wants to eat a whole cake, but when told he can only eat half, smashes the cake into the ground.

Moderates have a rational basis for their position, "this bill is too much and I can't support it", and that's why Biden is compromising with Manchin now.

Most people without brain injuries don’t evaluate things as more and less in absence of what that thing is.

Hur dur, I thought you wanted more government spending, why can’t you just take my bill for annual hooker subsidies as a win.

Not even you are that dumb.

You're just full of it. Has any progressive ever expressed any opposition to infrastructure spending? To paid family leave, extended child tax credit, and other provisions which will be in the final reconciliation bill? Absolutely not, because they favor each provision of these bills over the status quo. So then how can it be rational for progressives to oppose the BIP + final reconciliation bill? It's absolutely not rational to oppose a bill full of favored provisions just because it wasn't enough or something else unrelated wasn't contained in it. You're the spoiled child that threw the cake onto the ground because your parents said you can only eat half of it.

With inflation rising on everyday household goods (including food), this is a very bad time politically for this idea:

Democrats Weigh Carbon Tax After Manchin Rejects Key Climate Provision
Faced with the likely demise of a central pillar of President Biden’s agenda, the White House and outraged lawmakers are scrambling to find alternatives.

I think Joe Manchin will have fun with a carbon tax, putting it on a wall and shooting it.

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

Biden is on AOC's side. He agrees, and he believes the bills should be tied together. However, he is organizing with Manchin, because unlike you, Joe Biden is an adult who would rather get something done than win a factional skirmish.

The final package will be in the low-to-mid $2 trillion range, with climate provisions severely pared down, means testing, and other priorities gone. But I'm confident Manchin and progressives can meet in the middle, because at the end of the day, the "progressive" position is as mainstream as the Iron Dome, and it is more rational to pass the mainstream Democratic agenda than not.

What would have actually been irrational was, say, tanking COVID relief over raising the minimum wage. Not including it was awful, but the opposition opposed the Biden position in multiple facets. Some wanted a lower wage than $15, and others wanted to keep the tipped wage exemption. More glaringly, the Biden administration didn't want to overrule the parliamentarian. It would have taken months that we didn't have to resolve the issue, and even then would have been overruling the President's opinions on procedure.

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

With inflation rising on everyday household goods (including food), this is a very bad time politically for this idea:

Democrats Weigh Carbon Tax After Manchin Rejects Key Climate Provision
Faced with the likely demise of a central pillar of President Biden’s agenda, the White House and outraged lawmakers are scrambling to find alternatives.

FWIW I think this is just a smokescreen to get Sinema in line. If Joe Manchin supports a carbon tax I will beer bong my own piss.

[Matty]

https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/1449238705126977538

[Starry Eyed Jagaloon]

With inflation rising on everyday household goods (including food), this is a very bad time politically for this idea:

Democrats Weigh Carbon Tax After Manchin Rejects Key Climate Provision
Faced with the likely demise of a central pillar of President Biden’s agenda, the White House and outraged lawmakers are scrambling to find alternatives.

FWIW I think this is just a smokescreen to get Sinema in line. If Joe Manchin supports a carbon tax I will beer bong my own piss.

The genuinely annoying thing about this is that Sinema is substantively correct on this, popularism be damned. Whatever.

[compucomp]

The final package will be in the low-to-mid $2 trillion range, with climate provisions severely pared down, means testing, and other priorities gone. But I'm confident Manchin and progressives can meet in the middle, because at the end of the day, the "progressive" position is as mainstream as the Iron Dome, and it is more rational to pass the mainstream Democratic agenda than not.

This is consistent with what I predict for the final reconciliation bill. I commend you, you've chosen the side of reason and rationality, have decided to retreat from your hardline negotiating stances and red lines, and are willing to accept half the loaf. If more progressives were willing to take this attitude, then a deal could definitely get done.

[emailking]

With inflation rising on everyday household goods (including food), this is a very bad time politically for this idea:

Democrats Weigh Carbon Tax After Manchin Rejects Key Climate Provision
Faced with the likely demise of a central pillar of President Biden’s agenda, the White House and outraged lawmakers are scrambling to find alternatives.

FWIW I think this is just a smokescreen to get Sinema in line. If Joe Manchin supports a carbon tax I will beer bong my own piss.

How does it get Sinema in line?

[Hindsight was 2020]

https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/1449238705126977538

The numbers have never added up for either the tax cuts and military spending we’ve been doing but surprisingly those don’t face any real issues from the fiscal conservative crowd 

[GP270watch]

https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/1449238705126977538

The numbers have never added up for either the tax cuts and military spending we’ve been doing but surprisingly those don’t face any real issues from the fiscal conservative crowd  

How does the math work everywhere else in the industrialized world for healthcare. Only in The United States, where we actually spend more per person on healthcare and can't seem to figure this out.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/1449238705126977538

The numbers have never added up for either the tax cuts and military spending we’ve been doing but surprisingly those don’t face any real issues from the fiscal conservative crowd  

How does the math work everywhere else in the industrialized world for healthcare. Only in The United States, where we actually spend more person on healthcare and can't seem to figure this out.

I think we even spend more government money per capita. But oh no, socialized medicine, scary.

[Buffalo Mayor Young Kim]

https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/1449238705126977538

The numbers have never added up for either the tax cuts and military spending we’ve been doing but surprisingly those don’t face any real issues from the fiscal conservative crowd 

You have to understand that ‘fiscal conservative’ is just code for ‘Reaganomics diehard’ and it all falls into place.

[R.P. McM]

https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/1449238705126977538

The numbers have never added up for either the tax cuts and military spending we’ve been doing but surprisingly those don’t face any real issues from the fiscal conservative crowd  

You have to understand that ‘fiscal conservative’ is just code for ‘Reaganomics diehard’ and it all falls into place.

You have to understand that "fiscal conservatism" just means we don't spend OUR money on THOSE people, and everything falls into place. Yeah, it's just racism, pure and simple.

[R.P. McM]

Biden is on AOC's side. He agrees, and he believes the bills should be tied together. However, he is organizing with Manchin, because unlike you, Joe Biden is an adult who would rather get something done than win a factional skirmish.

The final package will be in the low-to-mid $2 trillion range, with climate provisions severely pared down, means testing, and other priorities gone. But I'm confident Manchin and progressives can meet in the middle, because at the end of the day, the "progressive" position is as mainstream as the Iron Dome, and it is more rational to pass the mainstream Democratic agenda than not.

What would have actually been irrational was, say, tanking COVID relief over raising the minimum wage. Not including it was awful, but the opposition opposed the Biden position in multiple facets. Some wanted a lower wage than $15, and others wanted to keep the tipped wage exemption. More glaringly, the Biden administration didn't want to overrule the parliamentarian. It would have taken months that we didn't have to resolve the issue, and even then would have been overruling the President's opinions on procedure.

Yeah, no thanks. If poor Appalachian whites can't help the rest of us address climate change, why should we bankroll their bailouts? Don't care, not interested in funding their scratch-off tickets. Rural broadband?! Insurrectionists can pay their own f**king cable bills, just like the rest of us. We've long presumed that blue state senators would just open up the piggy bank, but that needs to end. If we have to support odious trash, they need to give us something in return. No BIB without BBB. No more Northern subsidies without strings attached.

[Person Man]

Biden is on AOC's side. He agrees, and he believes the bills should be tied together. However, he is organizing with Manchin, because unlike you, Joe Biden is an adult who would rather get something done than win a factional skirmish.

The final package will be in the low-to-mid $2 trillion range, with climate provisions severely pared down, means testing, and other priorities gone. But I'm confident Manchin and progressives can meet in the middle, because at the end of the day, the "progressive" position is as mainstream as the Iron Dome, and it is more rational to pass the mainstream Democratic agenda than not.

What would have actually been irrational was, say, tanking COVID relief over raising the minimum wage. Not including it was awful, but the opposition opposed the Biden position in multiple facets. Some wanted a lower wage than $15, and others wanted to keep the tipped wage exemption. More glaringly, the Biden administration didn't want to overrule the parliamentarian. It would have taken months that we didn't have to resolve the issue, and even then would have been overruling the President's opinions on procedure.

Yeah, no thanks. If poor Appalachian whites can't help the rest of us address climate change, why should we bankroll their bailouts? Don't care, not interested in funding their scratch-off tickets. Rural broadband?! Insurrectionists can pay their own f**king cable bills, just like the rest of us. We've long presumed that blue state senators would just open up the piggy bank, but that needs to end. If we have to support odious trash, they need to give us something in return. No BIB without BBB. No more Northern subsidies without strings attached.

If they need to be bailed out in 50 years because of Climate Change, any “rescuing” needs to be extremely Faustian.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

reinstitute the SALT deduction

The WWC had their chance, now it's time to cut the dead weight. No more bailouts, every state for itself.

Socialism is when you sound like a turbo-charged Neoliberal, the more turbo-charged Neoliberal you sound the more Socialist you are.

I'm one of those socialists who, to paraphrase Ron White, doesn't believe he can fix stupid. Yeah, you get the government you voted for, but the rest of the planet shouldn't have to suffer for your idiotic decisions.

Not exactly Alle Menschen werden Brüder or 'Workers of the World, unite!' (I prefer the former, but accept that the latter has been extremely influential, historically), is it? I think you may have confused 'being a socialist' with 'having a personality disorder'.

[pppolitics]

If Manchin won't pass any climate provisions, then we need to kill both bills.

Why not roll out the red carpet for Trump?

That's a good question for Manchin and Sinema — are their personal financial interests really worth risking a fascist, authoritarian coup? Seemingly, they are. Because bloodsuckers like Manchin and Sinema assume no one in their class will actually pay the price. Risky bet.

Have you heard of the phrase "you have to work with what you have" ?

The fact that you would rather destroy this country than give up some of what you want disgusts me.

[It’s so Joever]

Biden is on AOC's side. He agrees, and he believes the bills should be tied together. However, he is organizing with Manchin, because unlike you, Joe Biden is an adult who would rather get something done than win a factional skirmish.

The final package will be in the low-to-mid $2 trillion range, with climate provisions severely pared down, means testing, and other priorities gone. But I'm confident Manchin and progressives can meet in the middle, because at the end of the day, the "progressive" position is as mainstream as the Iron Dome, and it is more rational to pass the mainstream Democratic agenda than not.

What would have actually been irrational was, say, tanking COVID relief over raising the minimum wage. Not including it was awful, but the opposition opposed the Biden position in multiple facets. Some wanted a lower wage than $15, and others wanted to keep the tipped wage exemption. More glaringly, the Biden administration didn't want to overrule the parliamentarian. It would have taken months that we didn't have to resolve the issue, and even then would have been overruling the President's opinions on procedure.

Yeah, no thanks. If poor Appalachian whites can't help the rest of us address climate change, why should we bankroll their bailouts? Don't care, not interested in funding their scratch-off tickets. Rural broadband?! Insurrectionists can pay their own f**king cable bills, just like the rest of us. We've long presumed that blue state senators would just open up the piggy bank, but that needs to end. If we have to support odious trash, they need to give us something in return. No BIB without BBB. No more Northern subsidies without strings attached.

Darn straight!
They hate us true Americans? The unemployed rural elite can’t overpower the silent suburban majority!
Make America Great Again!
Republicans just want to give handouts and destroy the economy, Democrats care about the average joe. Republicans want to take your money and give it to some dying coal mine, Democrats want to keep your family housed and fed.
(Okay this is mostly s-posting)

[Vaccinated Russian Bear]

With inflation rising on everyday household goods (including food), this is a very bad time politically for this idea:

Democrats Weigh Carbon Tax After Manchin Rejects Key Climate Provision
Faced with the likely demise of a central pillar of President Biden’s agenda, the White House and outraged lawmakers are scrambling to find alternatives.

If I recall correctly, the Carbon Tax is one of most effective ways (the most?) to reduce carbon emissions. I agree, though, that it might be a political suicide for Biden. Especially now, when more and more experts starts to think that inflation might be not-so-transitional (like to be a factor in 2022).

[Vaccinated Russian Bear]

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1449164352246931460?s=20

Some men just want to see the world [and coal and gas] burn.

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1449186116289105924

[compucomp]

Some men just want to see the world [and coal and gas] burn.

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1449186116289105924

This is interesting, it's the first statement of opposition I've seen by a progressive against the BIP based solely on the contents of that bill. Looks like AOC wants to give the progressives a rational policy basis to oppose the BIP so they gain credibility during negotiations and are not shoved aside as the spoiled petulant child. I think it's fair to question whether this stance is genuine, as the BIP passed the Senate 2 months ago and I don't remember any such statement then, or whether it is factually accurate or not. However on the surface the statement does seem plausible and it will be worth watching whether it gains traction.