Biden infrastructure/tax increase megathread

[free my dawg]

The "progressive" fools who are blocking the infrastructure bill are going to end up sinking the party in the midterm if they don't fold.

Boo hoo. It's either us or no bill.

But of course, we're playing by the rules of Republicrats like you, so hostage-taking is fine when you do it.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

https://news.yahoo.com/fears-us-government-shutdown-debt-080030551.html

I repeat there isn't gonna be any 4.7T bill unless the Debt Ceiling is raised, so forget about the Spending bill until the Debt Ceiling is raised that's why Congress didn't renew UBI and Unemployment benefits, and Congress went on vacation and went home every weekend

[Person Man]

The "progressive" fools who are blocking the infrastructure bill are going to end up sinking the party in the midterm if they don't fold.

Boo hoo. It's either us or no bill.

But of course, we're playing by the rules of Republicrats like you, so hostage-taking is fine when you do it.

If liberals don’t get something out of reconciliation, 2022 and 2024 are lost no matter what. There’s no incentive to allow one without the other.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

https://news.yahoo.com/clyburn-yarmuth-congress-might-miss-120208401.html

Clyburn says due to Debt Ceiling debate, Congress will miss the Sept 27th deadline, why don't they stop Congressional pay when there is a shutdown, but they rather shut down and Furlough Govt Employees again, we went thru this Shutdown during 2019 already when Ds took control of H

We are in a PANDEMIC we can't afford this

[Pres Mike]

Actually, after reading the article below, it is clear that the squad types don't have enough votes to stop anything, and I expect them to be kicked to the curb in due course.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/09/17/liberals-progressives-democrat-agenda-512621

I don't get what in that article is indicating that for you. Half their caucus voting against leaves it many votes shy of passing with dems alone. And there's nothing there about a bunch of Republicans who are going to come on board.

There are Pub votes for infrastructure. There were 19 of them in the Senate.

The Progressive caucus is like 95 members. You would need like 40 GOP Ayes with half the progressives opposed. Idk if that level of GOP support is there.

Not to mention Democratic leadership clearly want the reconcillation passed in full. If half the progressive caucus is voting nay, I wouldn't be surpised if leadership supports them by not even allowing floor vote. If Pelosi votes nay, expect several more Democrats to vote nay. Clyburn is already sayign that it may not be ready for a Sept 27 vote, which means not floor vote without reconcillation. If he votes nay, expect the CBC to vote nay

[randomusername]

https://twitter.com/HansNichols/status/1439691939079770118

This is ****ing ridiculous

[Hindsight was 2020]

https://twitter.com/HansNichols/status/1439691939079770118

This is ****ing ridiculous

pppolitics: this is the libs fault

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

https://twitter.com/HansNichols/status/1439691939079770118

This is ****ing ridiculous

I want WV to have a Senator who isn’t a smoldering pile of garbage in human skin, but that’s not happening either

[7,052,770]

Why though? What's his justification?

[Attorney General, Senator-Elect, & Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

Actually, after reading the article below, it is clear that the squad types don't have enough votes to stop anything, and I expect them to be kicked to the curb in due course.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/09/17/liberals-progressives-democrat-agenda-512621

I don't get what in that article is indicating that for you. Half their caucus voting against leaves it many votes shy of passing with dems alone. And there's nothing there about a bunch of Republicans who are going to come on board.

There are Pub votes for infrastructure. There were 19 of them in the Senate.

The Progressive caucus is like 95 members. You would need like 40 GOP Ayes with half the progressives opposed. Idk if that level of GOP support is there.

Not to mention Democratic leadership clearly want the reconcillation passed in full. If half the progressive caucus is voting nay, I wouldn't be surpised if leadership supports them by not even allowing floor vote. If Pelosi votes nay, expect several more Democrats to vote nay. Clyburn is already sayign that it may not be ready for a Sept 27 vote, which means not floor vote without reconcillation. If he votes nay, expect the CBC to vote nay

Unfortunately for Pelosi, according to the rule moderates forced her to pass in August, the vote is set in stone for Sep. 27 or earlier. Any change would require the moderates to sign off. So the vote will occur. There's simply no way around it. But she can refuse to whip it of course.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Why though? What's his justification?

The Debt Ceiling has to be increased before any Spending package is done and the Senate has a 60 vote threshold

He said he wouldn't vote for any UBI or 300 Stimulus that's why


Cassidy said this morning that Rs aren't going along with Debt Ceiling increase that pushes thru a 4.7T spending bill only the 1.2T dollar infrastructure bill

Pelosi was silly the D's went on vacation last month without putting Debt Ceiling in their Budget deal

[GeneralMacArthur]

Jesus Christ, can the Congressional Dems caucuses please go five minutes without shooting themselves in the foot?

Just pass the damn bills.  There's no good reason to connect one to the other.  Passing the infrastructure bill isn't going to do anything to the reconciliation bill, but it's very important for the party.  Killing the infrastructure bill as a hostage-taking tactic to get the reconciliation bill passed is just absurdly self-destructive.

And there's no good reason not to pass the reconciliation bill.  Manchin is being an idiot.  There's absolutely no reason to "pause" anything.  The nation isn't going to fall apart because there were too many policy changes in one year.

We desperately need one or two more senators.  It's nice that we have Manchin holding a seat in WV of all places but having him as the swing vote is really hurting our agenda.  I mean it's way better than having some right-wing Republican in the seat, but it would be really nice if we could make his vote irrelevant for the more ambitious aspects of our agenda.

With that said, remember that we're extremely lucky to be in this position at all.  If we didn't have Manchin -- or didn't have Sinema -- or didn't win both Georgia seats -- it would be Mitch McConnell just blocking everything.

[Devils30]

Jesus Christ, can the Congressional Dems caucuses please go five minutes without shooting themselves in the foot?

Just pass the damn bills.  There's no good reason to connect one to the other.  Passing the infrastructure bill isn't going to do anything to the reconciliation bill, but it's very important for the party.  Killing the infrastructure bill as a hostage-taking tactic to get the reconciliation bill passed is just absurdly self-destructive.

And there's no good reason not to pass the reconciliation bill.  Manchin is being an idiot.  There's absolutely no reason to "pause" anything.  The nation isn't going to fall apart because there were too many policy changes in one year.

We desperately need one or two more senators.  It's nice that we have Manchin holding a seat in WV of all places but having him as the swing vote is really hurting our agenda.  I mean it's way better than having some right-wing Republican in the seat, but it would be really nice if we could make his vote irrelevant for the more ambitious aspects of our agenda.

With that said, remember that we're extremely lucky to be in this position at all.  If we didn't have Manchin -- or didn't have Sinema -- or didn't win both Georgia seats -- it would be Mitch McConnell just blocking everything.

Not passing anything sounds bad to progressives but probably doesn't impact much if anything electorally. Passing nothing also makes it hard for Rs to run against spending and gives them no target like Obamacare was. Running against Trump and his cronies is more effective than running on something, sad but completely true.

[Buffalo Mayor Young Kim]

https://twitter.com/HansNichols/status/1439691939079770118
This is ****ing ridiculous

But tell me again how giving up the only leverage anyone has over this idiot is a good idea

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Manchin and Sinema don't go in MSNBC where they want to demolish the Filibuster, Manchin only goes on MTP and Fox and CNN and Sinema went on the View

They made it very clear that they don't want to abolish the Filibuster and want a 1.5T package

[Buffalo Mayor Young Kim]

Jesus Christ, can the Congressional Dems caucuses please go five minutes without shooting themselves in the foot?

Just pass the damn bills.  There's no good reason to connect one to the other.  Passing the infrastructure bill isn't going to do anything to the reconciliation bill, but it's very important for the party.  Killing the infrastructure bill as a hostage-taking tactic to get the reconciliation bill passed is just absurdly self-destructive.

And there's no good reason not to pass the reconciliation bill.  Manchin is being an idiot.  There's absolutely no reason to "pause" anything.  The nation isn't going to fall apart because there were too many policy changes in one year.

We desperately need one or two more senators.  It's nice that we have Manchin holding a seat in WV of all places but having him as the swing vote is really hurting our agenda.  I mean it's way better than having some right-wing Republican in the seat, but it would be really nice if we could make his vote irrelevant for the more ambitious aspects of our agenda.

With that said, remember that we're extremely lucky to be in this position at all.  If we didn't have Manchin -- or didn't have Sinema -- or didn't win both Georgia seats -- it would be Mitch McConnell just blocking everything.

The second the infrastructure bill passes reconciliation is dead. Because everyone here seems to have the memory of a goldfish, the BIB was hammered out by Sinema (primarily) and Manchin meeting with Republicans to exclusion of the relevant House committees and the vast majority the Senate Democratic caucus. The reason it was passed at all was because the rest of party was assured that all the things that they threw out to get a gold star from Mitt Romney could be addressed in reconciliation. Guy literally look back at this thread when it passed, everyone had agreed across the board that this was to be twinned with a reconciliation package. The issue is that Manchin negotiates in just as much bad faith as Republicans. This isn’t even taking a hostage, this is refusing to let him back the hell out as soon as he gets what he wants.

And frankly, there is no need to pass the BIB at all. Anything we need it can be put into reconciliation. The whole thing is just a whole little show for the sake of two of the most egoistical people in Washington feeling important.

[Matty]

Joe Manchin is a brave man, a good man.

Country over party, people.

remember that.

country over party

manchin cares about fiscal health. He is looking at the inflation charts.

It almost makes me tear up thinking of his profile in courage right now.

[Hindsight was 2020]

Joe Manchin is a brave man, a good man.

Country over party, people.

remember that.

country over party

manchin cares about fiscal health. He is looking at the inflation charts.

It almost makes me tear up thinking of his profile in courage right now.

No he doesn’t nor does anyone else for that matter. Fiscal conservatism is long dead and has always been a shame, what he doing is not out of fear of inflation but that his corporate donors stand to lose from many of the progressive proposals in the bill

[Unbeatable Titan Susan Collins]

https://twitter.com/seungminkim/status/1439743618424659973

[Matty]

ING BOOM ING NUT

https://twitter.com/marianne_levine/status/1439737579029598209

[Devils30]

ING BOOM ING NUT

https://twitter.com/marianne_levine/status/1439737579029598209

Progressives will whine but immigration reform is not budgetary and really not something done with reconciliation.

[Matty]

Man, even more news breaking tonight

https://twitter.com/samstein/status/1439755302807740417

[Hindsight was 2020]

Man, even more news breaking tonight

https://twitter.com/samstein/status/1439755302807740417

Another example of being bought and paid for

[Suburbia]

Dems need to win WI, PA, NC or FL while holding to AZ and CO

Make Manchin and Sinema irrelevant in 2023

[randomusername]

Man, even more news breaking tonight

https://twitter.com/samstein/status/1439755302807740417

The Do-Nothing Caucus really want their media attention.