Biden infrastructure/tax increase megathread

[Buffalo Mayor Young Kim]

Well it’s about time someone else took a damn hostage after all the crap the GOP bought members have pulled.

[Buffalo Mayor Young Kim]

Also worth noting, to cut off Alben, McArthur, Millennial Moderate, and the other Republicans with red avs, that the BIB was allowed to pass the Senate, and is being considered in the House, despite absolutely no input from relevant House committees, because they were ensured it would be twinned with a reconciliation package that unscrewed whatever they handed over to Mitt, very explicitly not the president, Romney and his goons.

We are here because Manchin, Sinema, and their house pets are incapable of dealing with other Democrats in good faith. They are the unreasonable ones here.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Also worth noting, to cut off Alben, McArthur, Millennial Moderate, and the other Republicans with red avs, that the BIB was allowed to pass the Senate, and is being considered in the House, despite absolutely no input from relevant House committees, because they were ensured it would be twinned with a reconciliation package that unscrewed whatever they handed over to Mitt, very explicitly not the president, Romney and his goons.

We are here because Manchin, Sinema, and their house pets are incapable of dealing with other Democrats in good faith. They are the unreasonable ones here.

Nothing is passing without Debt Limit Increase you might as well wait for this package, Yelled said no infrastructure or Anything is passing until Congress lifts the debt Ceiling passed 29T.


Right now Rs are playing politics, they know the debt ceiling needs to be increased every 2 yrs


Thank Goodness Cali is passing 600 checks Congress can't pass anything

[Pres Mike]

https://twitter.com/sarahnferris/status/1438972547576565762
I'm going to lose my mind. Can these fools and the moderate idiots just vote for both bills and be done with it??? I don't understand.

They need to agree on the bill first. We are talking about trillions of dollars here and how the average American will live for the next decade. We have less than a year before we lose our trifecta

If I was Biden, I would have had the party vote on all this months ago. But we had to take a 40 day August recess ugh

[pppolitics]

The "progressive" fools who are blocking the infrastructure bill are going to end up sinking the party in the midterm if they don't fold.

[emailking]

The "progressive" fools who are blocking the infrastructure bill are going to end up sinking the party in the midterm if they don't fold.

Can't you say the same thing about Manchin blocking the reconciliation bill and sinking the party?

[Hollywood]

The "progressive" fools who are blocking the infrastructure bill are going to end up sinking the party in the midterm if they don't fold.

Can't you say the same thing about Manchin blocking the reconciliation bill and sinking the party?

That's not how US politics work.  The most liberal and/or Conservative members of the party are blamed for everything, and then they are pressured to fold by leadership.  The Bipartisan, Corporate establishment politicians are hailed as the heroes and avid statesmen for negotiating a Bipartisan compromise.  This is how it's always worked.  You had to have known that you were gonna get screwed when Biden, Sinema and Manchin stand by Romney for a photo-op. 

[politicallefty]

I expect the increase in tobacco and vaping taxes to be removed from the final bill.

Not only a breaking of the "no new taxes on those making under 400k a year" pledge, but just terrible politics. Young people vape.

Are vapers really people, though?

Speaking as one, no, we aren't

You have a Florida avatar, so...

I'm usually a straight D voter, but voting against Medicare drug negotiation is inexcusable. You have no business being in the Democratic Party. It's not a surprise that Kathleen Rice and Kurt Schrader are also among those that tried to make it difficult for Nancy Pelosi to reclaim the Speakership. If Schumer has the ear of NY Dems and Governor Hochul, Kathleen Rice needs to have her district obliterated. She literally ran ads last year going after the prescription drug companies. If she wants to work for the prescription drug companies, she can find work there. I hope Oregon Democrats can do something similar to Schrader or at least get a strong primary challenger in place.

One of the problems is that progressives divide their resources too much. I would say that focus needs to be on a small handful. This vote actually gives progressives a good target list: Kurt Schrader, Kathleen Rice, and Scott Peters. Progressives need to target them now and hard.

[H. Ross Peron]

The "progressive" fools who are blocking the infrastructure bill are going to end up sinking the party in the midterm if they don't fold.

Can't you say the same thing about Manchin blocking the reconciliation bill and sinking the party?

No, because he is a spiritual cuckold.

[Hollywood]

I expect the increase in tobacco and vaping taxes to be removed from the final bill.

Not only a breaking of the "no new taxes on those making under 400k a year" pledge, but just terrible politics. Young people vape.

Are vapers really people, though?

Speaking as one, no, we aren't

You have a Florida avatar, so...

I'm usually a straight D voter, but voting against Medicare drug negotiation is inexcusable. You have no business being in the Democratic Party. It's not a surprise that Kathleen Rice and Kurt Schrader are also among those that tried to make it difficult for Nancy Pelosi to reclaim the Speakership. If Schumer has the ear of NY Dems and Governor Hochul, Kathleen Rice needs to have her district obliterated. She literally ran ads last year going after the prescription drug companies. If she wants to work for the prescription drug companies, she can find work there. I hope Oregon Democrats can do something similar to Schrader or at least get a strong primary challenger in place.

One of the problems is that progressives divide their resources too much. I would say that focus needs to be on a small handful. This vote actually gives progressives a good target list: Kurt Schrader, Kathleen Rice, and Scott Peters. Progressives need to target them now and hard.

There's a lot of Democrats that work in the healthcare and pharmaceutical industries making a lot of money.  If you go check the Bernie Sanders thread from last years primary, I saw at least three Democrats constantly bashing Bernie cause they thought he would effect their jobs in the field.  I've been one of the attorneys on suits against pharmaceutical companies pertaining to fraudulent claims under medicare Part B.  Those guys make a lot of money pushing as many doses of a drug.  They go to Hawaii to hold events where they give away over a millions of dollars in bonuses to top salespeople.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Do you guys understand that none of this is gonna pass anyways if the Debt Ceiling isn't raised, common sense tells you you can't pass a 4T stimulus bill if you can't Raise the Debt Ceiling

[Torie]

Actually, after reading the article below, it is clear that the squad types don't have enough votes to stop anything, and I expect them to be kicked to the curb in due course.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/09/17/liberals-progressives-democrat-agenda-512621

[pppolitics]

The "progressive" fools who are blocking the infrastructure bill are going to end up sinking the party in the midterm if they don't fold.

Can't you say the same thing about Manchin blocking the reconciliation bill and sinking the party?

Manchin is from hostile territory where no other Democrats win, so he's excused,

[Comrade Funk]

Do moderates even care about expanding healthcare? Same sh**tty excuses.

[pppolitics]

Do moderates even care about expanding healthcare? Same sh**tty excuses.

We have to take as much as we can get.

We are lucky that we have Manchin in that seat instead of a Republican.

[Person Man]

Do moderates even care about expanding healthcare? Same sh**tty excuses.

No, they don't. Our job as an electorate (members of all parties and independents) is to support primary and general challengers to obviously corrupt or uncaring officials.

It’s the job of the voters to voice their concerns and needs.

[emailking]

The "progressive" fools who are blocking the infrastructure bill are going to end up sinking the party in the midterm if they don't fold.

Can't you say the same thing about Manchin blocking the reconciliation bill and sinking the party?

Manchin is from hostile territory where no other Democrats win, so he's excused,

Whether you think it's ok for him to do that or not, is it not in fact true the same way it is true for the Progressives?

[emailking]

The "progressive" fools who are blocking the infrastructure bill are going to end up sinking the party in the midterm if they don't fold.

Can't you say the same thing about Manchin blocking the reconciliation bill and sinking the party?

That's not how US politics work. 

Isn't it how our discussions here can work though?

[emailking]

Actually, after reading the article below, it is clear that the squad types don't have enough votes to stop anything, and I expect them to be kicked to the curb in due course.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/09/17/liberals-progressives-democrat-agenda-512621

I don't get what in that article is indicating that for you. Half their caucus voting against leaves it many votes shy of passing with dems alone. And there's nothing there about a bunch of Republicans who are going to come on board.

[Torie]

Actually, after reading the article below, it is clear that the squad types don't have enough votes to stop anything, and I expect them to be kicked to the curb in due course.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/09/17/liberals-progressives-democrat-agenda-512621

I don't get what in that article is indicating that for you. Half their caucus voting against leaves it many votes shy of passing with dems alone. And there's nothing there about a bunch of Republicans who are going to come on board.

There are Pub votes for infrastructure. There were 19 of them in the Senate.

[Attorney General, Senator-Elect, & Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

Actually, after reading the article below, it is clear that the squad types don't have enough votes to stop anything, and I expect them to be kicked to the curb in due course.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/09/17/liberals-progressives-democrat-agenda-512621

I don't get what in that article is indicating that for you. Half their caucus voting against leaves it many votes shy of passing with dems alone. And there's nothing there about a bunch of Republicans who are going to come on board.

There are Pub votes for infrastructure. There were 19 of them in the Senate.

The Progressive caucus is like 95 members. You would need like 40 GOP Ayes with half the progressives opposed. Idk if that level of GOP support is there.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Nothing is happening on Stimulus until the Debt Ceiling is raised they can't pass a 4.7T bill, as I stayed before and Debt Ceiling hasn't been raised

They need to renegotiate their Budget deal and raise the Debt Ceiling

[Buffalo Mayor Young Kim]

The amount of alleged Democrats that seem to be rooting for Republicans to help the kill the reconciliation package is staggering.

And let’s be clear, that’s what we are talking about here, the second that the Romney-Lieberman BIB passes, Sinema and Manchin are going to call it a day and to hell with the rest of us. It’s not a question of well whatever Joe Manchin deigns to endorse versus nothing, it’s the BIB or BIB + reconciliation.

[GoTfan]

I think that Sinema is either quite stupid or genuinely believes this schitck will help her. I don't know which is worse.

[free my dawg]

I think that Sinema is either quite stupid or genuinely believes this schitck will help her. I don't know which is worse.

Well she does believe this schtick will help her.

Just not in the electoral way.