Derek Chauvin trial megathread (SENTENCED TO 22.5 YEARS IN PRISON)

[morgieb]

Anyone worried about a mistrial here?

For cases like this it shows that there needs to be the option of a supermajority verdict if an absolute verdict can't be reached.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Anyone worried about a mistrial here?

For cases like this it shows that there needs to be the option of a supermajority verdict if an absolute verdict can't be reached.

The question is what’s “cases like this” - trials of state agents?

[morgieb]

Anyone worried about a mistrial here?

For cases like this it shows that there needs to be the option of a supermajority verdict if an absolute verdict can't be reached.

The question is what’s “cases like this” - trials of state agents?

Cop trials/trials with the risk of political upheaval/etc.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

The Defense has no case clear, Floyd already told officer he was already scared of enclosed spaces, the officer is guilty of murder

[SteveRogers]

Anyone worried about a mistrial here?

For cases like this it shows that there needs to be the option of a supermajority verdict if an absolute verdict can't be reached.

No thanks

[Alben Barkley]

Mistrial is the worst case scenario now I think. Before I thought he’d probably get off. Now I don’t see how all 12 jurors could possibly vote not guilty for all charges. I think guilty for the manslaughter charge at least is the most likely scenario.

[Badger]

Mistrial is the worst case scenario now I think. Before I thought he’d probably get off. Now I don’t see how all 12 jurors could possibly vote not guilty for all charges. I think guilty for the manslaughter charge at least is the most likely scenario.

Someone remind me again how much time Chauvin could face with a manslaughter conviction? I previously heard numbers in the High Teens, but maybe that was for one of the lower degree of murder charges that I don't think we're altimate Lee brought to trial. I think Grumps mention the other day possibly up to 10 years?

[Real Texan Politics]

Mistrial is the worst case scenario now I think. Before I thought he’d probably get off. Now I don’t see how all 12 jurors could possibly vote not guilty for all charges. I think guilty for the manslaughter charge at least is the most likely scenario.

Someone remind me again how much time Chauvin could face with a manslaughter conviction? I previously heard numbers in the High Teens, but maybe that was for one of the lower degree of murder charges that I don't think we're altimate Lee brought to trial. I think Grumps mention the other day possibly up to 10 years?

I believe the latter is correct. Up to 10 years, but could also be less than 5.

[ꙮ]

Mistrial is the worst case scenario now I think. Before I thought he’d probably get off. Now I don’t see how all 12 jurors could possibly vote not guilty for all charges. I think guilty for the manslaughter charge at least is the most likely scenario.

The worst case scenario is acquittal. After they acquitted the people who murdered Kelly Thomas I've had no illusions that any police officer will face judicial consequences for any action.

[morgieb]

Anyone worried about a mistrial here?

For cases like this it shows that there needs to be the option of a supermajority verdict if an absolute verdict can't be reached.

No thanks

Yeah, you're probably right that there'll be unintended consequences here. I just fear that there's enough people that can sympathise with Chauvin to force a mistrial and cause Minneapolis to go to sh**t.

[Real Texan Politics]

Wouldn't surprise me if anyone in the jury that votes not guilty for any of the charges gets doxxed online, especially with the Daunte Wright riots happening now.

And I heard Tim Pool talk about this on his podcast. If the jury finds Chauvin not guilty for even one of the charges, the media will not give the full context and just say that Chauvin was found not guilty for Floyd's murder, resulting in much more rioting.

[Hindsight was 2020]

Wouldn't surprise me if anyone in the jury that votes not guilty for any of the charges gets doxxed online, especially with the Daunte Wright riots happening now.

And I heard Tim Pool talk about this on his podcast. If the jury finds Chauvin not guilty for even one of the charges, the media will not give the full context and just say that Chauvin was found not guilty for Floyd's murder, resulting in much more rioting.

Hahahahahahahahaha

[Real Texan Politics]

Wouldn't surprise me if anyone in the jury that votes not guilty for any of the charges gets doxxed online, especially with the Daunte Wright riots happening now.

And I heard Tim Pool talk about this on his podcast. If the jury finds Chauvin not guilty for even one of the charges, the media will not give the full context and just say that Chauvin was found not guilty for Floyd's murder, resulting in much more rioting.

Hahahahahahahahaha

Ok maybe it's an exaggeration, but still possible.

[Hindsight was 2020]

Wouldn't surprise me if anyone in the jury that votes not guilty for any of the charges gets doxxed online, especially with the Daunte Wright riots happening now.

And I heard Tim Pool talk about this on his podcast. If the jury finds Chauvin not guilty for even one of the charges, the media will not give the full context and just say that Chauvin was found not guilty for Floyd's murder, resulting in much more rioting.

Hahahahahahahahaha

Ok maybe it's an exaggeration, but still possible.

Yeah I don’t think a guy who’s friends with the guy who organized Charlottesville is a objective figure on this topic

[emailking]

Wouldn't surprise me if anyone in the jury that votes not guilty for any of the charges gets doxxed online, especially with the Daunte Wright riots happening now.

In these types of cases the identity of the jurors are usually kept sealed for a while to protect them from that kind of stuff.

[Real Texan Politics]

Wouldn't surprise me if anyone in the jury that votes not guilty for any of the charges gets doxxed online, especially with the Daunte Wright riots happening now.

In these types of cases the identity of the jurors are usually kept sealed for a while to protect them from that kind of stuff.

They'll probably find a way. It's an unfortunate reality.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Anyone worried about a mistrial here?

For cases like this it shows that there needs to be the option of a supermajority verdict if an absolute verdict can't be reached.

https://www.opb.org/news/article/us-supreme-court-ruling-oregon-nonunanimous-jury-verdicts/

The U.S. Supreme Court ruled 6-3 Monday that the U.S. Constitution requires unanimous jury verdicts to convict defendants in state criminal courts. The ruling in Ramos v. Louisiana not only overturns a previous Supreme Court ruling, but also ends Oregon's history of using non-unanimous juries to find people guilty of crimes other than murder. In Oregon and Louisiana, the ruling could affect hundreds, if not thousands of defendants who are appealing their cases.

Specifically, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled the 14th Amendment incorporates a person’s Sixth Amendment right to jury unanimity.

Oregon was the last state in the country that utilized a non-unanimous jury law, allowing convictions in many types of cases with an 11–1 or 10–2 decision.

Though there is still issues that that law lasting until 2020 is causing today: https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/voices/2021/03/18/unanimous-jury-supreme-court-overturn-racist-state-law-column/4733396001/


This guy's conviction should be vacated imo

[Badger]

Anyone worried about a mistrial here?

For cases like this it shows that there needs to be the option of a supermajority verdict if an absolute verdict can't be reached.

https://www.opb.org/news/article/us-supreme-court-ruling-oregon-nonunanimous-jury-verdicts/

The U.S. Supreme Court ruled 6-3 Monday that the U.S. Constitution requires unanimous jury verdicts to convict defendants in state criminal courts. The ruling in Ramos v. Louisiana not only overturns a previous Supreme Court ruling, but also ends Oregon's history of using non-unanimous juries to find people guilty of crimes other than murder. In Oregon and Louisiana, the ruling could affect hundreds, if not thousands of defendants who are appealing their cases.

Specifically, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled the 14th Amendment incorporates a person’s Sixth Amendment right to jury unanimity.

Oregon was the last state in the country that utilized a non-unanimous jury law, allowing convictions in many types of cases with an 11–1 or 10–2 decision.

Though there is still issues that that law lasting until 2020 is causing today: https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/voices/2021/03/18/unanimous-jury-supreme-court-overturn-racist-state-law-column/4733396001/


This guy's conviction should be vacated imo

Agreed. Man, I would never have assumed Oregon to be the last holdout for such a statute. Not just because it doesn't fit The Stereotype of it Southern Jim Crow state, but because of its supposed progressivism one would think it would have changed the law on its own.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Anyone worried about a mistrial here?

For cases like this it shows that there needs to be the option of a supermajority verdict if an absolute verdict can't be reached.

https://www.opb.org/news/article/us-supreme-court-ruling-oregon-nonunanimous-jury-verdicts/

The U.S. Supreme Court ruled 6-3 Monday that the U.S. Constitution requires unanimous jury verdicts to convict defendants in state criminal courts. The ruling in Ramos v. Louisiana not only overturns a previous Supreme Court ruling, but also ends Oregon's history of using non-unanimous juries to find people guilty of crimes other than murder. In Oregon and Louisiana, the ruling could affect hundreds, if not thousands of defendants who are appealing their cases.

Specifically, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled the 14th Amendment incorporates a person’s Sixth Amendment right to jury unanimity.

Oregon was the last state in the country that utilized a non-unanimous jury law, allowing convictions in many types of cases with an 11–1 or 10–2 decision.

Though there is still issues that that law lasting until 2020 is causing today: https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/voices/2021/03/18/unanimous-jury-supreme-court-overturn-racist-state-law-column/4733396001/


This guy's conviction should be vacated imo

Agreed. Man, I would never have assumed Oregon to be the last holdout for such a statute. Not just because it doesn't fit The Stereotype of it Southern Jim Crow state, but because of its supposed progressivism one would think it would have changed the law on its own.

https://gizmodo.com/oregon-was-founded-as-a-racist-utopia-1539567040

Oregon sadly was probably the most racist non southern state in the nation for a long time

[Badger]

Anyone worried about a mistrial here?

For cases like this it shows that there needs to be the option of a supermajority verdict if an absolute verdict can't be reached.

https://www.opb.org/news/article/us-supreme-court-ruling-oregon-nonunanimous-jury-verdicts/

The U.S. Supreme Court ruled 6-3 Monday that the U.S. Constitution requires unanimous jury verdicts to convict defendants in state criminal courts. The ruling in Ramos v. Louisiana not only overturns a previous Supreme Court ruling, but also ends Oregon's history of using non-unanimous juries to find people guilty of crimes other than murder. In Oregon and Louisiana, the ruling could affect hundreds, if not thousands of defendants who are appealing their cases.

Specifically, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled the 14th Amendment incorporates a person’s Sixth Amendment right to jury unanimity.

Oregon was the last state in the country that utilized a non-unanimous jury law, allowing convictions in many types of cases with an 11–1 or 10–2 decision.

Though there is still issues that that law lasting until 2020 is causing today: https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/voices/2021/03/18/unanimous-jury-supreme-court-overturn-racist-state-law-column/4733396001/


This guy's conviction should be vacated imo

Agreed. Man, I would never have assumed Oregon to be the last holdout for such a statute. Not just because it doesn't fit The Stereotype of it Southern Jim Crow state, but because of its supposed progressivism one would think it would have changed the law on its own.

https://gizmodo.com/oregon-was-founded-as-a-racist-utopia-1539567040

Oregon sadly was probably the most racist non southern state in the nation for a long time

Wow. Incredibly interesting article. Very good read. Thank you!

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

The carbon monoxide doesn't hurt the Prosection case it helps it, you shouldn't leave care running when you are restraining a victim, it helped Floyd suffocate

In college, I learned that jurors are very sympathetic to victims except DUI victims, the officer has no defense, the carbon monoxide falls within negligence

[Real Texan Politics]

Some breaking news, Chauvin has invoked his 5th amendment right of self-incrimination and will not testify at the trial.

[Real Texan Politics]

Updates for 4/15

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/live-blog/derek-chauvin-trial-2021-04-15-n1264152

[GP270watch]

Some breaking news, Chauvin has invoked his 5th amendment right of self-incrimination and will not testify at the trial.

 Smart for him because he could not possibly justify or explain his actions.

[Badger]

Presentation of evidence is over. Closing arguments on Monday. Presumably they along with jury instructions won't take the entire day, and the jury will begin deliberations before the close of business.

How long till a verdict can be expected? God only knows. Could be an hour or two, could be days..