Was Biden the right choice afterall to take on Trump?

[Bootes Void]

Or was there some other democrat who could have done better?

I'm leaning yes. Out of all the Democrats who ran Biden is probably the only democrat who could have won Arizona and Georgia (crucial for the 2 senate seats and the dem majority as well)

This doesn't mean other candidates would have lost but they would have capped out at 279(no Az or GA) EVs at best, making it more of a nailbiter than a decent EC win. I think Biden lack of willing to embrace cultural war issues or support of "socialism" is what barely got the Democrats the WH and the Senate.

Other candidates would have done worse for example:

-Buttigieg: he is gay so he would lose alot of support on that alone, perhaps too young for the job, not alot of experience, fairly elitist and an overachiever, a terrible political chameleon, very bland in not a good way, seems to flip flop alot

- Warren: would be mocked for supposed native American blood( would have some potency unlike the Hunter Biden stuff which no one genuenially cares about), would be too willing to the woke culture wars, comes across as an academic(people sneer at intellectuals), Harvard professor so can easily be portrayed as elitist and out of touch, does seem to like government control over everything a little too much, try to be progressive and moderate at the same time which may not go well, might be too willing to take the bait on dumb things(DNA testing comtroversy).

- Sanders: has a hostile relationship with the Democratic party so there would be coordination issues, people generally don't like self identied socialists, might come across too extreme to some although not on cultural issues, he is an openly non religious so that might be a problem in the general, his foreign policy views would be a liability. With all this he has the second best chance after Biden so I don't he is quite as terrible but probably do worse than Biden

Klobuchar or Bloomberg: would get destroyed in the media after the George Flyod death, very low turnout by the dem base,don't seem like genuenially good people, not charismatic whatsoever, very bland, very little charm, not the type of people who should be president

Kamala Harris, Beto O Rourke: had opportunities to be a strong primary candidates but completely blew it, not much to say here. They were just not the right people for the job.

Andrew Yang, Tulsi Gabbard, Marianne Williamson: meme candidates( not sure if they actually thought they could win) although Yang could be a big player in national politics if he become NYC Mayor, we'll see what happens then

Cory Booker, John Hickenlooper and maybe Andrew Yang and Steve Bullock- good candidates with a good profile and some chops to be a good GE candidate but never took off.Maybe it was never their year as the field was too wide. Very underrated candidates, should have gotten more exposure though.

The rest of the candidates were not taken seriously by anyone at any moment in the 2020 election  although Wayne Messam could have beated Trump by atleast 500EVs but the election gods thought that it would be too unfair and atleast wanted to give Trump a fighting shot so that's why he was kept hidden with no debate invites or media coverage .



Anyways was Biden the best candidate to take on Trump or should it have been someone else?

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

No, he wasn't, Harris can use her powers to overturn the Parliamentary inquirer on Minimum wage, if Warren, Bernie or Booker was empowered, they would have told their Veep to overturn the Parliamentary.

Biden was Pelosi, Clyburn handpicked cadate and we lost ME and Clyburn lost his oroteje Harrison in SC Senate race.

Also, Coons went to Clyburn and asked for his blessings and he voted against Biden own Minimum wage, Coons only won due to fact we had Covid and Scarance didn't get momentum. In 2026 voters will be reminded about what he did and Biden will be old news by then and a lefty can beat Coons, I wasn't a fan of him and won't endorse him llke I didn't Cardin or Maeket

The midterms are gonna dictate if Biden strategy of not giving up
on Filibuster works. Bidenn didn't think it would be this hard to get rid of Covid, just like Trump didn't either

Even Bricejoel, Biden supporter believes that D's are making a mistake in keeping the Filibuster, there are no do overs, this is the one shot D's have to get Statehood before 2026, when Ernst and Collins are vulnerable, should the Ds fail in Midterms..we can vote D but we don't have to donate to Ds

[Pericles]

Yes.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president/trumpbidenfavorability.html

[SnowLabrador]

No. I firmly believe Bernie would have done better. At a minimum, his Hispanic outreach would have been a lot more effective than was Biden's.

[BudgieForce]

No. I firmly believe Bernie would have done better. At a minimum, his Hispanic outreach would have been a lot more effective than was Biden's.

Better hispanic outreach would have flipped what state?

And would that hispanic outreach offset the ground Bernie might have lost in wealthy suburbs?

Edit: Don't get me wrong, I think Bernie could have won. But I doubt he'd be able to flip AZ and GA.  And Texas and North Carolina are probably off the table too.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

He was the wrong choice as Dem nominee, but Ds are the right choice for Prez as long as Covid is around. Biden held Obama back on Filibuster reform, we should of gotten rid of the Legislative filibuster in 2013 too, but Biden told Obama not to do it and it's backfiring on us in 2020.

He is helping Manchin who will lose his seat in 2024 to an R to keep the Filibuster. Manchin has a big 🎯 target on his back in 2024 and he is helping Rs Obstruct. Biden keeps saying he doesn't want to get rid of Filibuster.

But, by no means should you interpret my comment that D's shouldn't hold the Prez and Congress. Booker, and Warren and Sanders will tell their Veep's to overturn the Parliamentary on Minimum wage

Rs just want to Obstruct Obama just to get the Speakership, they passed huge tax cuts for rich

[sting in the rafters]

No. I firmly believe Bernie would have done better. At a minimum, his Hispanic outreach would have been a lot more effective than was Biden's.

You really think a man who spent his honeymoon in the USSR and there is footage of him praising the Sandinista rallies had a realistic shot at winning? The right-wing smear machine would've Dukakis'd Bernie. He never would've had a fair chance.

If given the choice between a socialist and a fascist, the average American is gonna choose the fascist 100/100 times. On the other hand, if given a choice between the white moderate and a fascist, a small majority choose the white moderate.

[mileslunn]

Without question.  Pete Buttigieg, Michael Bloomberg, and Amy Klobuchar probably could have won, but may have faced more difficulties.  Buttigieg and Klobuchar struggled with African-Americans so not sure if as many would have showed up and that for starters would have cost them Georgia and possibly put Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan in jeopardy although in case of Klobuchar I think she would have done better amongst Midwestern whites than Biden did so probably won every state Biden did save Georgia and ditto Buttigieg.

Sanders and Warren both too left wing and would have no won over the Never Trump Republicans.  I don't think Trump would have done much better percentage wise, but would have won election as many moderates like in 2016 would have gone Libertarian or other third parties or just not voted at all thus allowing Trump to win.

Biden was without question the best choice.

[mileslunn]

No. I firmly believe Bernie would have done better. At a minimum, his Hispanic outreach would have been a lot more effective than was Biden's.

Would have done worse amongst African-Americans and would have lost a lot of suburban whites who are moderate and not interested in socialism.  As for Hispanics a bit more complicated.  In Florida would have done probably worse as Cubans hate even a whiff of socialism.  Perhaps maybe better in Texas, but not enough to close gap and would have done worse in suburbs than Biden did so probably lost by as big a margin.  In Arizona, Hispanics helped, but Trump also lost as he did about 10 points worse amongst whites than Romney in 2012 did and I suspect if Sanders had been leader, Trump would have gotten close to 60% amongst whites in Arizona instead of low to mid 50s.

[TransfemmeGoreVidal]

This to me is a loaded question. He was the right candidate in that he won but I don't think he was the only right candidate. Bernie may have had weaknesses he lacked but he also had other strengths.

[Ogre Mage]

Yes.  Some other Democrats could have narrowly won the EC, but I don't think we would have retaken the Senate with any of the other candidates.

[Hope For A New Era]

Yes. I would have said no before the election, but November 3 proved that there is NO flipping of Trump voters, EVER. We needed TOTAL anti-Trump unity - an absolutely massive tent, stretching from true communists to John Kasich - to win, and Biden is the only candidate who could provide that.

[Motorcity]

Bernie was my first choice, Warren was my second, and Biden was my third

But in hindsight, Biden was the only one who could win. So yes, he was the right choice

I liked Beto a lot but he was an idiot

[brucejoel99]

Yes, it's hard to argue anything other than Biden was just the right man at the right time. With how good Trump ended up doing, it honestly doesn't seem like there was another Democrat who ran & could've checked all of the boxes that Biden checked. In fact, it seems likely that had anybody else who ran been the nominee, not only would Trump have been re-elected (& not only would McConnell have remained Majority Leader), but McCarthy would probably be Speaker right now.

[Beet]

I've finally come to accept that Biden is likely the only one who would have won.

[TDAS04]

I think so, but I wouldn’t assume that all other Democrats would have lost.  While they had clear weaknesses compared to Biden, they may have had special strengths that would have compensated enough at least for them to win.  (Pretty sure Warren would have lost, though).

[Nightcore Nationalist]

Yes. I would have said no before the election, but November 3 proved that there is NO flipping of Trump voters, EVER. We needed TOTAL anti-Trump unity - an absolutely massive tent, stretching from true communists to John Kasich - to win, and Biden is the only candidate who could provide that.

That seems contradictory.

[Hope For A New Era]

Yes. I would have said no before the election, but November 3 proved that there is NO flipping of Trump voters, EVER. We needed TOTAL anti-Trump unity - an absolutely massive tent, stretching from true communists to John Kasich - to win, and Biden is the only candidate who could provide that.

That seems contradictory.

How so? I meant that there are opponents to Trump on all, or at least most, parts of the political spectrum. Biden's goal would have been to make sure no one begrudgingly voted for Trump - that everyone who disliked Trump voted against him. It appears that he has succeeded.

[DaleCooper]

Yes. I would have said no before the election, but November 3 proved that there is NO flipping of Trump voters, EVER. We needed TOTAL anti-Trump unity - an absolutely massive tent, stretching from true communists to John Kasich - to win, and Biden is the only candidate who could provide that.

That seems contradictory.

How so? I meant that there are opponents to Trump on all, or at least most, parts of the political spectrum. Biden's goal would have been to make sure no one begrudgingly voted for Trump - that everyone who disliked Trump voted against him. It appears that he has succeeded.

I think the implication was that a bigger tent would've been to appeal to anti-Trump people while also appealing to people on the fence or unenthusiastic Trump voters that want something better.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

We aren't Historians, but HR 1 will be passed after 2022 but we have a chance now, and Biden won't go for change in Filibuster

Just like Reid could have gotten rid of Legislative filibuster but the Ds were so wrapped up in judges, it would have save them in the 2014 Midterm embassing loss in CO, LA and AK