It’s June 21, 2021 and Saruku is elected President of Atlasia. What happened?

[Former President tack50]

Not saying people should always have such dramatic shifts, but if someone views the world in the exact same way after having almost 6 years full of important life experiences there's a good chance they're pretty dense!

If this is true, I guess I must be made of lead, mercury, osmium or some other super dense material given I hold roughly the same views as a 22 year old that I've held my entire life (there are only a small handful of positions I've changed and even those are super minuscule and in unimportant issues)

[Leinad]

Not saying people should always have such dramatic shifts, but if someone views the world in the exact same way after having almost 6 years full of important life experiences there's a good chance they're pretty dense!

If this is true, I guess I must be made of lead, mercury, osmium or some other super dense material given I hold roughly the same views as a 22 year old that I've held my entire life (there are only a small handful of positions I've changed and even those are super minuscule and in unimportant issues)

Yeah I figured there are people who review their views and are like "oh yeah, that sounds right." I am glad I added the "good chance" caveat

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Not saying people should always have such dramatic shifts, but if someone views the world in the exact same way after having almost 6 years full of important life experiences there's a good chance they're pretty dense!

If this is true, I guess I must be made of lead, mercury, osmium or some other super dense material given I hold roughly the same views as a 22 year old that I've held my entire life (there are only a small handful of positions I've changed and even those are super minuscule and in unimportant issues)

Yeah I figured there are people who review their views and are like "oh yeah, that sounds right." I am glad I added the "good chance" caveat

I have long surmised that more drastic view shifts happen to those who start out with extreme views. So a Libertarian, which by definition would be rather hardcore ideologically with some exceptions, would be far more prone to going far left.

For me, I experienced the same hell and worse then most people on this forum can ever imagine. But I started out with an ideology that is "flexible" on the policy front and thus wasn't "put under pressure" by extreme events.

I can break with supply side, go to war with the NC GOP, seek a revolution against the GOP establishment and the Conservative Movement itself, and then turn on the guy spearheading that revolution, all while remaining true to my principles, still being flexible on economic policy to meet a dynamic situation and still be a conservative as I would define it.

Near homelessness, financial destitution, death of a close friend, death of a parent, struggling against a system designed to fail to get my license, coming down with a pandemic disease.

My ideology can weather the storm precisely because it is not based of substituting principles for policy and understand that if the economy is dynamic, so to must the policies and the policies must aim towards some degree of stability for the family unit and the community setting.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Not saying people should always have such dramatic shifts, but if someone views the world in the exact same way after having almost 6 years full of important life experiences there's a good chance they're pretty dense!

If this is true, I guess I must be made of lead, mercury, osmium or some other super dense material given I hold roughly the same views as a 22 year old that I've held my entire life (there are only a small handful of positions I've changed and even those are super minuscule and in unimportant issues)

I shifted a bit on foreign policy and went back to my roots on trade protectionism, though not completely. I also came to reject supply side economics, but I still support pay as you go (for non-emergency spending ), and still support a competitive marketplace. You can be a capitalist, a fiscal conservative (defined literally not subjectively) and still not continue to presume that the economic policy that worked in 1981 is going to work in 2021.

[Adam Griffin]

Not reading past the first page, but it's always a blast watching Yankee squirm and slither to justify his support of terrorists, radicals, personality cultists and IRC types while condemning such when others have embraced them for the same reasons. And it's especially amusing when you have a memory long enough to remember that his party was entirely against dealing with them (because they were a potential anti-Labor foil for Fed victories) after Labor was ready to do something until they ousted Yankee from his Southern Senate seat (by backing arguably the most effective former Fed Chair, no less!). Then it finally became SRS BSNS! #HowDareYouGraveRob

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Can't wait for Part II: Yankee vs. Griffin on radicalism

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Not reading past the first page, but it's always a blast watching Yankee squirm and slither to justify his support of terrorists, radicals, personality cultists and IRC types while condemning such when others have embraced them for the same reasons. And it's especially amusing when you have a memory long enough to remember that his party was entirely against dealing with them (because they were a potential anti-Labor foil for Fed victories) after Labor was ready to do something until they ousted Yankee from his Southern Senate seat (by backing arguably the most effective former Fed Chair, no less!). Then it finally became SRS BSNS! #HowDareYouGraveRob

I do have memory enough, certainly enough to know you do not know what you were talking about and are peddling the same old cheap shots. In Late 2014 you were plotting with DR to ram consolidation through via the legislatures.

The first time you approached me about working together to stop TPP/IRC was in February 2015 and as I recall I didn't say no to your assistance, though your impact was rather limited because "you didn't have much control over the two remaining Laborites in the South" was how either you or Windjammer put it to me.

Frankly, there was a conspiratorial side to me that doubted just how truthful the break between you and the IRC types was after August 2014 but then again I didn't see it first hand and barely even understood that period until months after it was over. As I saw it, Labor and IRC were two heads of the same centralist/anti-Regional Horse. We all debated whether you were actually helping us or just screwing with us. Only slowly did we realize the threat to labor was your motivating factor. For all we knew, it was just another scheme to get consolidation through.

Also I was so spent in early 2015, I was plotting to leave:

« Sent to: Associate Justice PiT on: February 12, 2015, 10:27:54 PM »
If I were to somehow survive Hagrid, would you be interested in running in June to be my successor? Would be fittingly ironic would it not?

Seriously Adam, this tired narrative of yours of "You played wtih fire and it burned you" needs to die. At no point did I engage in anything that caused TPP to re-exist, nor was I in a position to squash it if I had wanted too. All anybody cared about was stopping TNF, so to some extent you are correct about labor being the priority, even when we did ally, I had to play 4D chess about it so as to not alienate the Midwest and Mideast Feds. However, opposition to TNF by extension meant opposition to the IRC crowd since they supported him for PPT.

At no point did I condone, support or encourage either Turno-Pacifico or the people who brought it about. Ask Hagrid, I was the one calling for us to oppose them the strongest and it annoyed him. I was also the one that complained the loudest when we aimed for 3 seats and ended up with Xahar as the fifth Senator. I was so estranged from Feds, I nearly left and joined the DRs in late 2013. And yes, that is the one you can get me on because I did push them to get organize, but at the time, I was not Chair and was rather disappointed with the failure to oppose the radicals and terrorists from Federalist leadership. I was already working with Nappy's people to oppose those people, and even worked with Opebo as well to oppose those people.

Throughout 2014, most of my narrative and messaging focused on opposition to both Labor and the IRC types as one in the same, seeking to destroy the right and drive them from the game. If there is one thing that didn't factor into my strategy, it was the effect of someone like Windjammer and the influence he had on you and on the party. Nor did I expect a break over nationalization bc as I pointed out in the earlier post that you did not read, they had no problem when TNF tried to nationalize railroads, pharma and many other industries earlier in the year. I was actually going to ask you if you shared my view that all of this was contrived on their part, but instead you get all snarky with me and make the same tired old cheap shots.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I addressed the Talleyrand vote with Truman last night. There are no other examples you can cite between June 2013 and January 2017.

Lets fast forward a little bit. In October 2016, you brought those people back into the game, encoruage them to spam to their validity and get registered to vote against me. As if my Presidency would be so horrendous that it justified bringing those people back.

I was so fing mad about that that I literally raided #AtlasforumIRC with Leinad and others as I recall just to stir some crap and we drove them to exit the chatroom even that night. For one night, we conquered the hill. And you pulled me aside and said "yankee, you better stop because they might break the game again if you keep irritating them again". You brought them back, and I had to shut up an take up the a@% for the sake of the game. You basically took me and the game hostage just so Blair could tie with me.

So yes, when DFW stole them from Labor in February 2017, as far as I was concerned, Labor broke that taboo as well and deserved what it got and more. I envisioned a post-reset largely without them going forward. You ruined that for a half presidential term.  So you and Truman think about that.

Edit: Just for the record I have no ill will towards Blair over this. I don't even have ill will toward Adam for being Adam. Its just a statement of how I felt at the time.

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Can't wait for Part II: Yankee vs. Griffin on radicalism

This is already unhealthy and clearly stressing Yankee too much.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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Can't wait for Part II: Yankee vs. Griffin on radicalism

This is already unhealthy and clearly stressing Yankee too much.

This used to be the norm for the AFE Board and for me actually. Its why bring taken off the site like I was from August 2014 until late October of that year was so devastating. Back then you had to fight back publicly.

Likewise for December and January of 2014 and 2015 when holiday work schedule decimated my time and energy and that combined with moving is why TPP was able to invade the South and why Hagrid was frankly able to win.

Had these two things not happened to me, the history of the game would be very different. I used to blame myself for being so poor that things deteriorated so bad for the right and by extension the game when it created an opening for those elements to exploit.

[At-Large Senator LouisvilleThunder]

The first time you approached me about working together to stop TPP/IRC was in February 2015 and as I recall I didn't say no to your assistance, though your impact was rather limited because "you didn't have much control over the two remaining Laborites in the South" was how either you or Windjammer put it to me.

Wow, Adam didn't have control over some voters. Very low energy and weak! Must mean he didn't actually care.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

The first time you approached me about working together to stop TPP/IRC was in February 2015 and as I recall I didn't say no to your assistance, though your impact was rather limited because "you didn't have much control over the two remaining Laborites in the South" was how either you or Windjammer put it to me.

Wow, Adam didn't have control over some voters. Very low energy and weak! Must mean he didn't actually care.

I think he let flo take control over them or something like that. One of them was "badgate" not to be confused with badger and I don't remember the other one offhand.

[Oakvale]

I'm not reading all the posts in this thread but it is remarkable that the titans of Atlas Forum IRC apparently continue to exert such a powerful psychic hold on people years after its death.

Presumably if Atlasia still exists in another decade there'll be some longtime posters still going on about events in the Dis Cord server that took place seven years prior.

Remember what I said in 2017, become are not born Oakvale, they become Oakvale.

I'm so glad I have a legacy!

e: It's unclear to me why there's any debate over Leinad apparently being a communist (!) now. He was, if I recall correctly, a libertarian and socialism is clearly the libertarianism of the 2020s insofar as Forum trends go (much the same demographics and personality types).

[Lumine]

This used to be the norm for the AFE Board and for me actually.

Can confirm. Perhaps not the content, but at least the extension of this conversion - although with much greater animosity and vitriol, Griffin would have whipped out the gifs and detailed posters by now - was still the norm in those days in many ways.

I do agree with Yankee that his absence combined with a number of factors (the absence of others from the right and subsequent December disaster, the bad personal circumstances in which I assumed the Presidency, stuff which I can now see took place behind the scenes) all conspired in late 2014 and the general prelude to Bloody July.

The course of events from June 2014 to Bloody July were certainly filled with endless "what ifs", so it is  interesting to ponder how different things could have been for many of us, probably in a positive direction.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I'm not reading all the posts in this thread but it is remarkable that the titans of Atlas Forum IRC apparently continue to exert such a powerful psychic hold on people years after its death.

Presumably if Atlasia still exists in another decade there'll be some longtime posters still going on about events in the Dis Cord server that took place seven years prior.

Remember what I said in 2017, become are not born Oakvale, they become Oakvale.

I'm so glad I have a legacy!

e: It's unclear to me why there's any debate over Leinad apparently being a communist (!) now. He was, if I recall correctly, a libertarian and socialism is clearly the libertarianism of the 2020s insofar as Forum trends go (much the same demographics and personality types).

I am a historian by passion, a politician by necessity.

[Mike Thick]

Btw I own the #atlasforum channel on Mibbit now. So yeah.

[Leinad]

Btw I own the #atlasforum channel on Mibbit now. So yeah.

Do you still? I thought at one point you scooped those up but it expired?

[Former President tack50]

I'm not reading all the posts in this thread but it is remarkable that the titans of Atlas Forum IRC apparently continue to exert such a powerful psychic hold on people years after its death.

Presumably if Atlasia still exists in another decade there'll be some longtime posters still going on about events in the Dis Cord server that took place seven years prior.

Remember what I said in 2017, become are not born Oakvale, they become Oakvale.

I'm so glad I have a legacy!

e: It's unclear to me why there's any debate over Leinad apparently being a communist (!) now. He was, if I recall correctly, a libertarian and socialism is clearly the libertarianism of the 2020s insofar as Forum trends go (much the same demographics and personality types).

I am a historian by passion, a politician by necessity.

I prefer seeing it as more of a "History is written by the winners" kind of deal

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I'm not reading all the posts in this thread but it is remarkable that the titans of Atlas Forum IRC apparently continue to exert such a powerful psychic hold on people years after its death.

Presumably if Atlasia still exists in another decade there'll be some longtime posters still going on about events in the Dis Cord server that took place seven years prior.

Remember what I said in 2017, become are not born Oakvale, they become Oakvale.

I'm so glad I have a legacy!

e: It's unclear to me why there's any debate over Leinad apparently being a communist (!) now. He was, if I recall correctly, a libertarian and socialism is clearly the libertarianism of the 2020s insofar as Forum trends go (much the same demographics and personality types).

I am a historian by passion, a politician by necessity.

I prefer seeing it as more of a "History is written by the winners" kind of deal

So basically by Truman?

Fun fact his wiki page was for years the only one discussing bloody July on detail.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Btw I own the #atlasforum channel on Mibbit now. So yeah.

When it was cincy, dallas and Oakvale as owner and ops I think it was called, the place was a mainstream gathering place like lokcord. Then Cincy made pkemp op and the place got more hostile and unpleasant to he on.