Trump election fraud investigation heading to Fulton County grand jury

[GeorgiaModerate]

Fulton County prosecutors are expected to appear before a grand jury this week seeking subpoenas for documents and witnesses related to their investigation of former President Donald Trump and some of his top associates for possible election fraud, The Atlanta Journal-Constitution has learned.
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Willis hasn’t said exactly what her prosecutors seek, but she sent recent letters to Gov. Brian Kemp, Raffensperger and other state officials last month directing them to preserve documents.

She indicated she’s investigating several state crimes, including solicitation of election fraud, making false statements to state and local governmental bodies, conspiracy, racketeering, violation of oath of office and involvement in violence or threats related to the election’s administration.

https://www.ajc.com/news/crime/fulton-das-investigation-into-trump-heads-to-grand-jury/GI6UQWVVLJGCPMCCBKDES5FJ4Y/

Much more detail in the full article.

[Sir Mohamed]

If Trump were to found guilty, what happens? A fine? Jail time?

[GeorgiaModerate]

If Trump were to found guilty, what happens? A fine? Jail time?

From the article:

A RICO conviction in Georgia carries a five- to 20-year jail sentence. A first-degree conviction of criminal solicitation to commit election fraud carries one to three years’ imprisonment.

[brucejoel99]

Wow, that happened fast (relatively speaking, that is).

[Damocles]

Trumpublicans claiming this is just like the Soviet Union in 3, 2, 1...

[Calthrina950]

I noticed that the new DA of Fulton County, who's spearheading this investigation, is a black woman. It would be ironic-and due justice-if Trump's legal downfall were to be brought about partly by two black women-the DA of Fulton County and the Attorney General of New York. And of course, the DA of Manhattan (a white man), is also investigating Trump, so Trump could potentially receive three criminal indictments, and possibly even four if he's charged by the Attorney General of DC for inciting the Capitol Riots.

[ηєω ƒяσηтιєя]

If Trump were to found guilty, what happens? A fine? Jail time?

From the article:

A RICO conviction in Georgia carries a five- to 20-year jail sentence. A first-degree conviction of criminal solicitation to commit election fraud carries one to three years’ imprisonment.

I would be shocked if Trump is sentenced to a decent amount of time in prison. He'll probably only get the 1 year sentence IF (and this is a big if) he's convicted.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

LOCK. HIM. UP!

[Obama-Biden Democrat]

I noticed that the new DA of Fulton County, who's spearheading this investigation, is a black woman. It would be ironic-and due justice-if Trump's legal downfall were to be brought about partly by two black women-the DA of Fulton County and the Attorney General of New York. And of course, the DA of Manhattan (a white man), is also investigating Trump, so Trump could potentially receive three criminal indictments, and possibly even four if he's charged by the Attorney General of DC for inciting the Capitol Riots.

He needs to be charged with obstruction of justice in the Mueller investigation as well.

[John Dule]

Realistically speaking, if he was convicted wouldn't he just appeal this until he reached a court that was sympathetic to him?

[Frodo]

Realistically speaking, if he was convicted wouldn't he just appeal this until he reached a court that was sympathetic to him?

Trump could, but the ultimate arbiter is the Supreme Court, and we have seen that they are less than inclined to let him evade accountability like he has for his entire life, much to my relief.  My concern is that by the time they rule against him, will he live long enough to see the inside of a prison cell?

[SteveRogers]

Realistically speaking, if he was convicted wouldn't he just appeal this until he reached a court that was sympathetic to him?

Which one is that?

[John Dule]

Realistically speaking, if he was convicted wouldn't he just appeal this until he reached a court that was sympathetic to him?

Which one is that?

The one where he appointed 1/3rd of the judges.

[Damocles]

Realistically speaking, if he was convicted wouldn't he just appeal this until he reached a court that was sympathetic to him?

Which one is that?

The one where he appointed 1/3rd of the judges.

Would be hilarious if he still got BTFO’d now that they don’t need him anymore.

[brucejoel99]

Realistically speaking, if he was convicted wouldn't he just appeal this until he reached a court that was sympathetic to him?

Which one is that?

The one where he appointed 1/3rd of the judges.

You mean the one where his appointed 1/3rd of judges notoriously turned their back on him the moment they got their lifetime commissions delivered because it's almost as if it was never their jobs to have his personal back in the 1st place?

[John Dule]

Realistically speaking, if he was convicted wouldn't he just appeal this until he reached a court that was sympathetic to him?

Which one is that?

The one where he appointed 1/3rd of the judges.

You mean the one where his appointed 1/3rd of judges notoriously turned their back on him the moment they got their lifetime commissions delivered because it's almost as if it was never their jobs to have his personal back in the 1st place?

I'm surprised to hear you defending the reputations of Kavanaugh and Barrett. In any case, striking down Trump's absurd election fraud lawsuit was a relatively passive piece of #Resistance; outright convicting him of election tampering is a much bolder move.

[DaleCooper]

I don't think that there'd be any argument for the Supreme Court to hear the case. And what would that case be, exactly? He violated a state law, so there really isn't any way around it other than for the Supreme Court to say that, as president, he is not beholden to any laws whatsoever. I can't imagine that anyone other than Alito would want to enable that. But I wouldn't put anything past them.

[emailking]

I'm surprised to hear you defending the reputations of Kavanaugh and Barrett. In any case, striking down Trump's absurd election fraud lawsuit was a relatively passive piece of #Resistance; outright convicting him of election tampering is a much bolder move.

They wouldn't be convicting him. They would be ruling on whether some piece of Georgia law is unconstitutional or if his rights were violated in some way during his trial. If this happens, I doubt they even take the case.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Realistically speaking, if he was convicted wouldn't he just appeal this until he reached a court that was sympathetic to him?

It would seem easier to request a pardon from Brian Kemp

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Realistically speaking, if he was convicted wouldn't he just appeal this until he reached a court that was sympathetic to him?

Which one is that?

The one where he appointed 1/3rd of the judges.

You mean the one where his appointed 1/3rd of judges notoriously turned their back on him the moment they got their lifetime commissions delivered because it's almost as if it was never their jobs to have his personal back in the 1st place?

I'm surprised to hear you defending the reputations of Kavanaugh and Barrett. In any case, striking down Trump's absurd election fraud lawsuit was a relatively passive piece of #Resistance; outright convicting him of election tampering is a much bolder move.

The Supreme Court is not a criminal court. They do not hear evidence or determine guilt. Trump would have to argue that the Georgia law is unconstitutional or in some way conflicting with federal law to strike it down, which is in terms of absurdity up there with his post-election lawsuits. I'd be amazed if the court even agreed to hear it, that would require four justices, and any one besides Thomas and Alito taking the case would be quite the stretch.

Also the same court just struck down his attempts to hide his tax returns to protect himself from criminal prosecution.

Realistically speaking, if he was convicted wouldn't he just appeal this until he reached a court that was sympathetic to him?

It would seem easier to request a pardon from Brian Kemp

He can't. In Georgia the Governor can only approve pardons that are recommended by some type of pardon board, not issue them unilaterally.

[Inmate Trump]

He's not going to jail.  Don't get your hopes up.