Do Democrats have a messaging problem?

[Suburbia]

Is this February 13 DU rant true?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215108048

[Bootes Void]

Messaging?

[GeneralMacArthur]

Democrats have a media problem.  The right-wing media is literally studying Jonestown/Waco/evangelist cult psychology tactics and using them to entrap people in their world of bulls--t.  They lie constantly, demonize and attack us constantly, and turn viewers against their family and friends, trapping them in a f--ked up world where Fox/Breitbart/Limbaugh is their only solace.

Meanwhile the mainstream media is 100% bought-into this bulls--t false equivalence game the right plays, where reporting anything favorable to Democrats, even if it's just facts, means you are the "liberal media."  So they have to keep finding excuses to attack Democrats, or over-report Democratic scandals, or present "both sides" of a factual argument, or create a false equivalence between horrible things Republicans have done and minor bad things Democrats have done, or give enormous weight to Republican talking points even if they're utter lies.  Or they report on politics as though it's a game, and the Republicans are brilliant tacticians for finding new and ever-more clever ways to make millions of people suffer and kill hundreds of thousands.

Democrats have tried creating their own favorable media on the left, but it inevitably gets populated by extremists who are more interested in attacking the Democratic Party than in actually waging any kind of unethical, psychological war against Republicans.

So even if we had good messaging, where would we put it out?  Who would accurately report on it?  Did you know Pelosi does press conferences or press releases almost every day where she sends out the daily messaging, and the messaging is quite good?  But nobody cares about that.  Instead they care about what Lindsey Graham said on some Fox News interview where he literally just read off a list of focus-group-tested talking points sent down from Murdoch HQ.

[HagridOfTheDeep]

Democrats have a media problem.  The right-wing media is literally studying Jonestown/Waco/evangelist cult psychology tactics and using them to entrap people in their world of bulls--t.  They lie constantly, demonize and attack us constantly, and turn viewers against their family and friends, trapping them in a f--ked up world where Fox/Breitbart/Limbaugh is their only solace.

Meanwhile the mainstream media is 100% bought-into this bulls--t false equivalence game the right plays, where reporting anything favorable to Democrats, even if it's just facts, means you are the "liberal media."  So they have to keep finding excuses to attack Democrats, or over-report Democratic scandals, or present "both sides" of a factual argument, or create a false equivalence between horrible things Republicans have done and minor bad things Democrats have done, or give enormous weight to Republican talking points even if they're utter lies.  Or they report on politics as though it's a game, and the Republicans are brilliant tacticians for finding new and ever-more clever ways to make millions of people suffer and kill hundreds of thousands.

Democrats have tried creating their own favorable media on the left, but it inevitably gets populated by extremists who are more interested in attacking the Democratic Party than in actually waging any kind of unethical, psychological war against Republicans.

So even if we had good messaging, where would we put it out?  Who would accurately report on it?  Did you know Pelosi does press conferences or press releases almost every day where she sends out the daily messaging, and the messaging is quite good?  But nobody cares about that.  Instead they care about what Lindsey Graham said on some Fox News interview where he literally just read off a list of focus-group-tested talking points sent down from Murdoch HQ.

I don’t like it, but the trouble is that the Republican Party has embraced being an extremist party so that it can avoid needing to deal with challenges from its most vocal segments. It comes at a price and leaves the moderates with a sour taste in their mouths... but mostly they fall in line.

Democrats believe there’s an advantage in embracing their more even-handed side, but the cost is perhaps not worth it because, even if they’re a small minority, extremists on the left are very detrimentally vocal.

In some respects, the ideal system for more moderate Democrats really might involve having a Democratic Party that becomes super radical so that a third moderate Canadian Liberal style party could emerge from the ashes. The only problem is that there are more conservatives in the States, so it would have to be a very “Mitt Romney friendly” sort of party.

The Democratic Party as it is now, though, basically seems relegated to never being able to get anything done. The United States is honestly in serious trouble.

[Horus]

Democrats represent a broader array of interests and demographics and for that reason their messaging tends to be more scattered and inconsistent.

[Mr. Smith]

Democrats represent a broader array of interests and demographics and for that reason their messaging tends to be more scattered and inconsistent.

This wasn't a problem during the New Deal era where segregationists and minorities, farmers and laborers largely all united under one overlying thing. Stopping the banks.

The GOP used to be more diverse, and even at their height, tax cuts were always there.

Ergo, this argument is a copout.

[Horus]

Democrats represent a broader array of interests and demographics and for that reason their messaging tends to be more scattered and inconsistent.

This wasn't a problem during the New Deal era where segregationists and minorities, farmers and laborers largely all united under one overlying thing. Stopping the banks.

The GOP used to be more diverse, and even at their height, tax cuts were always there.

Ergo, this argument is a copout.

We're missing an FDR. Obama is the closest we have and it's obviously not enough. Two-thirds of the GOP is a cult and the other third only cares about the tax cuts you mentioned, so they're gonna be in lockstep.

[Mr. Smith]

Democrats represent a broader array of interests and demographics and for that reason their messaging tends to be more scattered and inconsistent.

This wasn't a problem during the New Deal era where segregationists and minorities, farmers and laborers largely all united under one overlying thing. Stopping the banks.

The GOP used to be more diverse, and even at their height, tax cuts were always there.

Ergo, this argument is a copout.

We're missing an FDR. Obama is the closest thing we have and it's obviously not enough. Two-thirds of the GOP is a cult so they're gonna be in lockstep.

Because the Gen Macs control the party and are resistant to creating the conditions here and now.

[Horus]

Democrats represent a broader array of interests and demographics and for that reason their messaging tends to be more scattered and inconsistent.

This wasn't a problem during the New Deal era where segregationists and minorities, farmers and laborers largely all united under one overlying thing. Stopping the banks.

The GOP used to be more diverse, and even at their height, tax cuts were always there.

Ergo, this argument is a copout.

We're missing an FDR. Obama is the closest thing we have and it's obviously not enough. Two-thirds of the GOP is a cult so they're gonna be in lockstep.

Because the Gen Macs control the party and are resistant to creating the conditions here and now.

A charismatic Andrew Yang without a social credit fetish would do the trick.

[Mr. Smith]

Democrats represent a broader array of interests and demographics and for that reason their messaging tends to be more scattered and inconsistent.

This wasn't a problem during the New Deal era where segregationists and minorities, farmers and laborers largely all united under one overlying thing. Stopping the banks.

The GOP used to be more diverse, and even at their height, tax cuts were always there.

Ergo, this argument is a copout.

We're missing an FDR. Obama is the closest thing we have and it's obviously not enough. Two-thirds of the GOP is a cult so they're gonna be in lockstep.

Because the Gen Macs control the party and are resistant to creating the conditions here and now.

A charismatic Andrew Yang without a social credit fetish would do the trick.

I wouldn't bet anyone's life on that.

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Democrats represent a broader array of interests and demographics and for that reason their messaging tends to be more scattered and inconsistent.

This wasn't a problem during the New Deal era where segregationists and minorities, farmers and laborers largely all united under one overlying thing. Stopping the banks.

The GOP used to be more diverse, and even at their height, tax cuts were always there.

Ergo, this argument is a copout.

Um, FDR and other non-Southern Democrats made many concessions to the Dixiecrats. What are you talking about?

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No, their problems are far deeper than that.

[Mr. Smith]

Democrats represent a broader array of interests and demographics and for that reason their messaging tends to be more scattered and inconsistent.

This wasn't a problem during the New Deal era where segregationists and minorities, farmers and laborers largely all united under one overlying thing. Stopping the banks.

The GOP used to be more diverse, and even at their height, tax cuts were always there.

Ergo, this argument is a copout.

Um, FDR and other non-Southern Democrats made many concessions to the Dixiecrats. What are you talking about?

It still worked itself out thanks keepin' one definite thing that could be picked out. Namely, stoppin' the predatory banks.

That message was played ad nauseum all the way until the 70's, ever since then, it's pretty much just been "well we're not a-holes" ever since.

[Red Velvet]

You need to have a message in order to have messaging issues.

[TiltsAreUnderrated]

No,Yes, and their problems are far deeper than that.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

D's are slight favs to retain both Houses of Congress and win 52/48 Senate and bipass Sinema to get Statehood, but everything since Covid hit is going cyber, remote learning and Bankruptcies are up.  

You don't even need a Lawyer to do Bankruptcy and paying Ivy League Schools and accumulation of 200K debt to be a Lawyer or Doctor so the schools that don't get you a job and are more concerned about student athletes has altered things.

Politicians have a Cyber problem not a messinging problem