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« on: March 02, 2021, 11:09:54 AM »
« edited: March 02, 2021, 11:40:05 AM by StateBoiler »

I'm not sure whether this will be a "Dems in disarray" book that says Biden ran a bad campaign. Trump in 2016 was more lucky in some ways than Biden after all, Biden's favorability ratings show unlike Trump either time he was actually well-liked. If it's a nuanced take about the election with helpful new information, then maybe it's worth reading.

We can go back to posts on this board late 2019/early 2020, Biden was not well liked by a good number of Democrats here. I just don't carry selective amnesia when a primary ends.

The book is reported to have a quote from March last year of senior advisor Anita Dunn saying "Covid is the best thing to ever happen to Biden's candidacy", which yeah, it was, but you don't want that said out loud and attributed to you.
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« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2021, 11:14:39 AM »

Remember that in the primary, Biden was saved by the Democratic establishment rushing to stack the deck in his favor in late February/early March.

Lol he was going to win SC with or without an endorsement. That win would have propelled him to victory regardless because the majority of Democrats did not think that Bernie was electable

That was also an effect of Biden being relentlessly promoted by the mainstream media after SC. If Buttigieg & Klobuchar had remained in the race until on or after Super Tuesday, Biden would likely not have taken the lead he actually did, and the narrative following that might have been Sanders in the driver's seat instead of Biden.

Candidates dropping out because they didn't see themselves having a shot in the coming states does not equate to "the establishment" stacking the deck for Biden. Bernie couldn't win a one on one race. That's not "the establishment's" fault.

Pete was literally on Face the Nation or Meet the Press that Sunday morning talking about his plans moving forward. Dropping out a few hours later after conversations with Carter and Obama was not among those plans. Both Pete and Amy had a full slate of campaign stops scheduled for that week. There was absolutely no reason, at that point, to drop out before Super Tuesday. None.

Now, the thing is I don't see that as a negative. It's just political maneuvering.

Honestly what I'm most interested in. That was coordinated by someone or someone working for someone else or some group. Buttigieg et al dropping out while Warren stayed in. There's a very clear play going on there. May not come out in this book but it will someday. (Apparently, there's 3 more of these books in process.)

WaPo review of the book. They critique the authors a bit but have this paragraph:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/02/28/lucky-biden-book/
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There are memorable and telling insider moments in “Lucky,” revealing vital negotiations or highlighting simple truths that parties and campaigns would rather obfuscate. For example, planners of the Democratic Party’s virtual convention thought about featuring a national map that would highlight the locations of various speakers, thus countering the notion that the party was a club for coastal elites — only to can the idea when they realized multiple speakers would be broadcasting from Martha’s Vineyard. And the all-important endorsement of Rep. James Clyburn of South Carolina was in play when Clyburn cornered Biden during a commercial break at a Charleston debate and urged him to promise to appoint a Black woman to the Supreme Court. “This wasn’t offered as a condition of Clyburn’s endorsement, but it was an expectation,” the authors write, parsing a bit too finely. Biden awkwardly complied.
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« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2021, 11:41:13 AM »

Remember that in the primary, Biden was saved by the Democratic establishment rushing to stack the deck in his favor in late February/early March.

Lol he was going to win SC with or without an endorsement. That win would have propelled him to victory regardless because the majority of Democrats did not think that Bernie was electable

That was also an effect of Biden being relentlessly promoted by the mainstream media after SC. If Buttigieg & Klobuchar had remained in the race until on or after Super Tuesday, Biden would likely not have taken the lead he actually did, and the narrative following that might have been Sanders in the driver's seat instead of Biden.

Candidates dropping out because they didn't see themselves having a shot in the coming states does not equate to "the establishment" stacking the deck for Biden. Bernie couldn't win a one on one race. That's not "the establishment's" fault.

Pete was literally on Face the Nation or Meet the Press that Sunday morning talking about his plans moving forward. Dropping out a few hours later after conversations with Carter and Obama was not among those plans. Both Pete and Amy had a full slate of campaign stops scheduled for that week. There was absolutely no reason, at that point, to drop out before Super Tuesday. None.

Now, the thing is I don't see that as a negative. It's just political maneuvering.

Honestly what I'm most interested in. That was coordinated by someone or someone working for someone else or some group. Buttigieg et al dropping out while Warren stayed in. There's a very clear play going on there. May not come out in this book but it will someday. (Apparently, there's 3 more of these books in process.)

Source?

One of the book's reviews I read yesterday. Wasn't in the Hill or WaPo piece. Might be Politico's article. Says they'll come out rest of this year going into 2022.
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« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2021, 01:28:49 PM »

Remember that in the primary, Biden was saved by the Democratic establishment rushing to stack the deck in his favor in late February/early March.

Lol he was going to win SC with or without an endorsement. That win would have propelled him to victory regardless because the majority of Democrats did not think that Bernie was electable

That was also an effect of Biden being relentlessly promoted by the mainstream media after SC. If Buttigieg & Klobuchar had remained in the race until on or after Super Tuesday, Biden would likely not have taken the lead he actually did, and the narrative following that might have been Sanders in the driver's seat instead of Biden.

Candidates dropping out because they didn't see themselves having a shot in the coming states does not equate to "the establishment" stacking the deck for Biden. Bernie couldn't win a one on one race. That's not "the establishment's" fault.

Pete was literally on Face the Nation or Meet the Press that Sunday morning talking about his plans moving forward. Dropping out a few hours later after conversations with Carter and Obama was not among those plans. Both Pete and Amy had a full slate of campaign stops scheduled for that week. There was absolutely no reason, at that point, to drop out before Super Tuesday. None.

Now, the thing is I don't see that as a negative. It's just political maneuvering.

Honestly what I'm most interested in. That was coordinated by someone or someone working for someone else or some group. Buttigieg et al dropping out while Warren stayed in. There's a very clear play going on there. May not come out in this book but it will someday. (Apparently, there's 3 more of these books in process.)

Source?

One of the book's reviews I read yesterday. Wasn't in the Hill or WaPo piece. Might be Politico's article. Says they'll come out rest of this year going into 2022.

Do you have a source about three more books coming out

The WaPo review is actually the one which says that "several competing works [are] scheduled later this year and into 2022," but have yet to find anything on any site's review concerning an explicit number of 3 books.

That's probably what I read.
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« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2021, 09:10:38 PM »

Remember that in the primary, Biden was saved by the Democratic establishment rushing to stack the deck in his favor in late February/early March.

Lol he was going to win SC with or without an endorsement. That win would have propelled him to victory regardless because the majority of Democrats did not think that Bernie was electable

That was also an effect of Biden being relentlessly promoted by the mainstream media after SC. If Buttigieg & Klobuchar had remained in the race until on or after Super Tuesday, Biden would likely not have taken the lead he actually did, and the narrative following that might have been Sanders in the driver's seat instead of Biden.

Candidates dropping out because they didn't see themselves having a shot in the coming states does not equate to "the establishment" stacking the deck for Biden. Bernie couldn't win a one on one race. That's not "the establishment's" fault.

Closing ranks around an obvious second tier candidate after Bernie had won the first three primaries was unprecedented and speaks to a deep hostility that many in the establishment had to a Bernie nomination.

Well, Bernie Sanders is not, nor has he ever been, a Democrat.
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« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2021, 07:32:16 AM »

"Biden barely won?", Is this the so called liberal media in action?

Funny you should say that, because at least in terms of campaign books such as this one, Jonathan Allen & Amie Parnes became a total & complete joke after their Hillary 2016 autopsy book, Shattered, resulted in a litany of staffers coming out to categorically deny the allegations which were made in it, something that doesn't usually happen - at least, as intensely as it did after that book - to campaign books such as these, so I'd recommend taking anything they put down in a book such as this with a grain of salt, yeah.

Not to mention, the book - about Biden's win - is literally titled "Lucky," & the few excerpts about Biden which we've gotten thus far seem to paint him as nothing but a bumbling fool who has zero awareness, so it's not exactly all that hard to read between the lines here.

That's unfair- both are very skilled reporters that got a lot right on the Clinton campaign- the staffers objected to the campaign being deeply flawed and filled with people who didn't get along. The campaign was probably more positive in their minds but the story that Parnes and Allen got from people put a bigger picture perspective on things that isn't necessarily going to speak to how people inside the campaign viewed it. I've bought the book and the way it details the Biden campaign makes me feel that most campaigns operate with competing factions, egos, and personality fights but that doesn't mean they aren't enjoyable at the same time and a journalist's narrative of that experience won't really capture that.

Yeah, there's more than enough tales spreading the blame to the Clinton campaign from all directions. The staff post-loss were mostly concerned with saving their political careers as far as getting a job as opposed to telling the truth because they absolutely should have won, give it 30 years and Hillary Clinton 2016 will become Thomas Dewey 1948. At the DNC post-mortem conference call Clinton staff wouldn't even acknowledge having any discussion about what went wrong, and state Democratic party staff were per a Politico article at the time "are you effing kidding me?"
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