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« on: February 24, 2021, 04:33:51 PM »

https://twitter.com/jonallendc/status/1364549561545617413/retweets/with_comments
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« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2021, 06:47:19 PM »

The D's are gonna have a wave next yr, due to fact, Insurrectionists spoiled R chances for a takeover.

The reason why barely Biden won, Trump improved with Latinos in Miami and AA in Mahoning County, OH, but now Rs are back to George Floyd levels of support among WC females and AA and Latinos due to QAnonon and insurrection
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« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2021, 04:04:37 AM »

I'm not sure whether this will be a "Dems in disarray" book that says Biden ran a bad campaign. Trump in 2016 was more lucky in some ways than Biden after all, Biden's favorability ratings show unlike Trump either time he was actually well-liked. If it's a nuanced take about the election with helpful new information, then maybe it's worth reading.
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« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2021, 04:06:47 AM »

Looks like it's at least as focused on him in the primary as the general.
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« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2021, 10:01:30 AM »

Biden wasn't lucky, right now Trump tax returns are being supoened, the South doesn't care about anything wrong Trump does but they are the Minority
Percles doesn't remember Trump was impeached twice
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« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2021, 10:53:56 AM »

He didn't win "barely".
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« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2021, 11:08:04 AM »

Remember that in the primary, Biden was saved by the Democratic establishment rushing to stack the deck in his favor in late February/early March.
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« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2021, 11:48:12 AM »

Remember that in the primary, Biden was saved by the Democratic establishment rushing to stack the deck in his favor in late February/early March.

Lol he was going to win SC with or without an endorsement. That win would have propelled him to victory regardless because the majority of Democrats did not think that Bernie was electable
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« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2021, 12:08:19 PM »


He absolutely did! He got fifth place in New Hampshire. There wasn't a single person on this site who thought he had a serious chance of winning in that week between New Hampshire and Nevada, after which he pulled off the greatest comeback in modern American political history.
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« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2021, 12:12:21 PM »
« Edited: February 25, 2021, 12:15:43 PM by TML »

Remember that in the primary, Biden was saved by the Democratic establishment rushing to stack the deck in his favor in late February/early March.

Lol he was going to win SC with or without an endorsement. That win would have propelled him to victory regardless because the majority of Democrats did not think that Bernie was electable

That was also an effect of Biden being relentlessly promoted by the mainstream media after SC. If Buttigieg & Klobuchar had remained in the race until on or after Super Tuesday, Biden would likely not have taken the lead he actually did, and the narrative following that might have been Sanders in the driver's seat instead of Biden.
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« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2021, 12:32:23 PM »

Remember that in the primary, Biden was saved by the Democratic establishment rushing to stack the deck in his favor in late February/early March.

Lol he was going to win SC with or without an endorsement. That win would have propelled him to victory regardless because the majority of Democrats did not think that Bernie was electable

That was also an effect of Biden being relentlessly promoted by the mainstream media after SC. If Buttigieg & Klobuchar had remained in the race until on or after Super Tuesday, Biden would likely not have taken the lead he actually did, and the narrative following that might have been Sanders in the driver's seat instead of Biden.

Candidates dropping out because they didn't see themselves having a shot in the coming states does not equate to "the establishment" stacking the deck for Biden. Bernie couldn't win a one on one race. That's not "the establishment's" fault.
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« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2021, 02:30:38 PM »

Remember that in the primary, Biden was saved by the Democratic establishment rushing to stack the deck in his favor in late February/early March.

Lol he was going to win SC with or without an endorsement. That win would have propelled him to victory regardless because the majority of Democrats did not think that Bernie was electable

That was also an effect of Biden being relentlessly promoted by the mainstream media after SC. If Buttigieg & Klobuchar had remained in the race until on or after Super Tuesday, Biden would likely not have taken the lead he actually did, and the narrative following that might have been Sanders in the driver's seat instead of Biden.

Candidates dropping out because they didn't see themselves having a shot in the coming states does not equate to "the establishment" stacking the deck for Biden. Bernie couldn't win a one on one race. That's not "the establishment's" fault.
To add on to that, there was a whole bunch of Bernie supporters asking Warren to drop out to consolidate the "progressive" voting bloc but crying foul when others did the same.
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« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2021, 02:40:36 PM »


To add on to that, there was a whole bunch of Bernie supporters asking Warren to drop out to consolidate the "progressive" voting bloc but crying foul when others did the same.

And also making out like Warren was some sort of John Delaney centrist whose decided when she was 18 that her ambition in life was to stop Bernie.
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« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2021, 04:40:03 PM »

To add on to that, there was a whole bunch of Bernie supporters asking Warren to drop out to consolidate the "progressive" voting bloc but crying foul when others did the same.

And also making out like Warren was some sort of John Delaney centrist whose decided when she was 18 that her ambition in life was to stop Bernie.
Never mind the fact Bernie asked Warren to run in 2016 and only ran when she refused

Warren was Bernie’s first choice!
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« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2021, 11:42:28 PM »


He absolutely did! He got fifth place in New Hampshire. There wasn't a single person on this site who thought he had a serious chance of winning in that week between New Hampshire and Nevada, after which he pulled off the greatest comeback in modern American political history.

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« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2021, 11:44:35 PM »


He absolutely did! He got fifth place in New Hampshire. There wasn't a single person on this site who thought he had a serious chance of winning in that week between New Hampshire and Nevada, after which he pulled off the greatest comeback in modern American political history.


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« Reply #16 on: February 27, 2021, 12:27:14 AM »


He absolutely did! He got fifth place in New Hampshire. There wasn't a single person on this site who thought he had a serious chance of winning in that week between New Hampshire and Nevada, after which he pulled off the greatest comeback in modern American political history.

I remember thinking that I would win a ton of money on predictit when Biden won at the time, but I chickened out.  Sad
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« Reply #17 on: February 27, 2021, 01:40:09 AM »

"Biden barely won?", Is this the so called liberal media in action?
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« Reply #18 on: February 27, 2021, 03:38:35 AM »

"Biden barely won?", Is this the so called liberal media in action?

No- it’s what happens when you underperform the polls by 2-4% in a favorable environment for your party, and your opponent makes significant gains with your party’s base.
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« Reply #19 on: February 27, 2021, 06:25:28 AM »

"Biden barely won?", Is this the so called liberal media in action?

No- it’s what happens when you underperform the polls by 2-4% in a favorable environment for your party, and your opponent makes significant gains with your party’s base.

To be fair, polling error doesn't mean anything about how the candidate performed (unless it's a late swing that the polls didn't capture). Biden was never up by 8%, the polls were giving a distorted picture, so that result might never have been achievable. Given the trends in the polls, it's likely that after RBG's death and before the first debate, Biden was actually losing the presidency.
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« Reply #20 on: February 27, 2021, 11:21:17 AM »

Remember that in the primary, Biden was saved by the Democratic establishment rushing to stack the deck in his favor in late February/early March.

Lol he was going to win SC with or without an endorsement. That win would have propelled him to victory regardless because the majority of Democrats did not think that Bernie was electable

That was also an effect of Biden being relentlessly promoted by the mainstream media after SC. If Buttigieg & Klobuchar had remained in the race until on or after Super Tuesday, Biden would likely not have taken the lead he actually did, and the narrative following that might have been Sanders in the driver's seat instead of Biden.

Candidates dropping out because they didn't see themselves having a shot in the coming states does not equate to "the establishment" stacking the deck for Biden. Bernie couldn't win a one on one race. That's not "the establishment's" fault.

It's certainly not the establishment's fault that Bernie couldn't win a 1v1, but you can't seriously pretend there wasn't interference to help Biden after it was clear Bernie was benefiting from a divided field. Obama made phone calls and the rest was history. Buttigieg and Klobuchar had no plans to drop out before ST.
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« Reply #21 on: February 27, 2021, 11:41:23 AM »
« Edited: March 02, 2021, 12:36:11 PM by brucejoel99 »

"Biden barely won?", Is this the so called liberal media in action?

Funny you should say that, because at least in terms of campaign books such as this one, Jonathan Allen & Amie Parnes became a total & complete joke after their Hillary 2016 autopsy book, Shattered, resulted in a litany of staffers coming out to categorically deny the allegations which were made in it, something that doesn't usually happen - at least, as intensely as it did after that book - to campaign books such as these, so I'd recommend taking anything they put down in a book such as this with a grain of salt, yeah.

Not to mention, the book - about Biden's win - is literally titled "Lucky," & the few excerpts about Biden which we've gotten thus far seem to paint him as nothing but a bumbling fool who has zero awareness, so it's not exactly all that hard to read between the lines here.
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« Reply #22 on: February 27, 2021, 02:09:44 PM »

Remember that in the primary, Biden was saved by the Democratic establishment rushing to stack the deck in his favor in late February/early March.

Lol he was going to win SC with or without an endorsement. That win would have propelled him to victory regardless because the majority of Democrats did not think that Bernie was electable

That was also an effect of Biden being relentlessly promoted by the mainstream media after SC. If Buttigieg & Klobuchar had remained in the race until on or after Super Tuesday, Biden would likely not have taken the lead he actually did, and the narrative following that might have been Sanders in the driver's seat instead of Biden.

Candidates dropping out because they didn't see themselves having a shot in the coming states does not equate to "the establishment" stacking the deck for Biden. Bernie couldn't win a one on one race. That's not "the establishment's" fault.

Pete was literally on Face the Nation or Meet the Press that Sunday morning talking about his plans moving forward. Dropping out a few hours later after conversations with Carter and Obama was not among those plans. Both Pete and Amy had a full slate of campaign stops scheduled for that week. There was absolutely no reason, at that point, to drop out before Super Tuesday. None.

Now, the thing is I don't see that as a negative. It's just political maneuvering.
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« Reply #23 on: March 01, 2021, 03:36:25 PM »

"Biden barely won?", Is this the so called liberal media in action?

Uhh he won by a cumulative 40k votes in AZ, GA, and WI, less than Trump' EC margin in 2016. The popular vote doesn't matter, unfortunately. So, objectively, he barely won.
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« Reply #24 on: March 02, 2021, 11:09:54 AM »
« Edited: March 02, 2021, 11:40:05 AM by StateBoiler »

I'm not sure whether this will be a "Dems in disarray" book that says Biden ran a bad campaign. Trump in 2016 was more lucky in some ways than Biden after all, Biden's favorability ratings show unlike Trump either time he was actually well-liked. If it's a nuanced take about the election with helpful new information, then maybe it's worth reading.

We can go back to posts on this board late 2019/early 2020, Biden was not well liked by a good number of Democrats here. I just don't carry selective amnesia when a primary ends.

The book is reported to have a quote from March last year of senior advisor Anita Dunn saying "Covid is the best thing to ever happen to Biden's candidacy", which yeah, it was, but you don't want that said out loud and attributed to you.
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