Spanish elections and politics III / Pedro Sánchez faces a new term as PM

[kaoras]

But like you said, Iglesias "cozying up to such regimes" is precisely what drivers the comparisons, and at least among us Venezuelans, is why we don't look at Podemos with good eyes.

No, Podemos could denounce Chavismo all day and it wouldn't matter for the Spanish Press, and it also wouldn't matter for a lot of Venezuelans. Anything left wing will be automatically chavismo and "Así empezó Venezuela", that's how it works at both sides of the ocean.

[kaoras]

PP doesn't even try to hide their new Tamayazo. Totally shameless, Maduro would be proud. But is LA IZQUIERDA SOCIAL COMUNISTA that is going to turn Spain into Venezuela.

[kaoras]

The original PP-Cs pact in Murcia was particularly stupid to begin with because PSOE was the largest party in seats and votes and PSOE-Cs have a majority on their own, they didn't even need Podemos. I don't know how they justified it originally.

[kaoras]

From the early results, it seems that Espadas is winning comfortably in the PSOE-A leadership race.
Edit: 55-40 for Espadas apparently.

[kaoras]

Is not like there's high requirements to be named a minister or to be a high-tier politician in Spain. Spanish politics is full of people that have done literally nothing with their lives besides climbing the party machine, like Susana Diaz. I mostly have noticed this with PSOE (I still remember former ministers Bibiana Aido and Leire Pajin) but I'm sure that PP is the same.

[kaoras]

32-28 now with Cs gaining a seat for Valladolid.

PSOE is also on track of winning Valladolid and Burgos provinces.

In the end PP is still going to govern but the optics look terrible and this elections only seems to have strengthened Vox.

[kaoras]

I’m starting to think the PSOE might actually win this thing, even if PP-Vox do get a majority.

Same

UP's numbers are pretty rough right now, and I'm not convinced that they'll get much better.

They are dancing in the limbo between 1 and 3 (Burgos and León seats are the ones that keep fliping) I still think 3 is more likely than 1

[kaoras]

PSOE seem to be running out of steam. But these results are terrible for PP. Vox at 17,5% is astounding. And Soria Ya is getting 40% in Soria province and 49,4% in Soria captial.

[kaoras]

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/06/21/readout-of-president-bidens-call-with-president-pedro-sanchez-of-spain/

"Readout of President Biden’s Call with President Pedro Sánchez of Spain"

President Joseph R. Biden, Jr. and President Pedro Sánchez of Spain spoke today about preparations for the NATO Summit, which will be held in Madrid on June 29-30, 2022.  The leaders welcomed the opportunity to see each other on the upcoming trip. President Biden thanked President Sánchez for Spain’s hosting of the summit, at which Allies will continue to chart the course of NATO’s transformation over the next decade.  President Biden expressed appreciation for Spain’s close cooperation in response to Russia’s war in Ukraine, including its provision of security and humanitarian assistance to Ukraine and its support for strong sanctions on Russia.

White House readout refers to Pedro Sánchez as President of Spain.  Biden did not know he was speaking to PM and not the President of Spain

Akshually Pedro Sánchez's official title is "Presidente del Gobierno" so he isn't really wrong

[kaoras]

Early municipal results don't look that bad for the left, though it may be the bias in the vote counting.

Also: Use the app to see the results.

[kaoras]

Pablo Iglesias launched his proposal to save the left from his pidcast La Base and his Canal Red TV: a "broad progressive front" led by Sánchez and seconded by Díaz, an amalgamation of the PSOE and the left-wing parties running in smaller provinces. This idea was already proposed before the 2000 general elections, when Joaquín Almunia was the leader of the PSOE and Paco Frutos the leader of IU. Meanwhile the Podemos leadership blamea weather conditions (the "reactionary wave"), avoiding analysis or self-criticism. On her part, Yolanda Díaz seems to have realized that it's not time for símiles anymore. "I take on the challenge":. She has only 10 days to forge a coalition between 12 parties including Podemos !

https://twitter.com/Yolanda_Diaz_/status/1663117601063444482?t=oNYgv4J3qwQjL_kmr...

That 2000 alliance was a disaster, wasn't it? Though in the smaller provinces all the votes to the non-PSOE left are going to the trash anyway.

[kaoras]

I've read many times the expression sanchismo in the right-wing media, but what exactly does that mean? How is it different than -for example- zapaterismo?

The Spanish right has deluded themselves into thinking that Pdr Snchz is the second coming of the devil and a dangerous lunatic radical (mainly on the issue of doing deals with nationalist parties)

So, the right-wing press uses Sanchismo to distinguish it from a mythical and respectable PSOE/Left that no longer controls the party, crushed under his evil pro-separatist fist (I'm only just slightly exaggerating, the Spanish Right is objectively deranged).

[kaoras]

No Velasco, Hope, sunshine and Rainbows are absolutely ineffective against the vicious negative campaigns that the Spanish (and Chilean) right employs. As Boric and company can surely tell you.

[kaoras]

Yep, Collboni was elected mayor. Trías f*** up by announcing that it would govern with ERC, which pushed PP towards PSC

 

[kaoras]

PP sowing: BEING IN THE SAME ROOM AS BILDU MAKES YOU A TERRORIST

PP reaping: The PP resigns to preside over the Vitoria City Council commissions after making a deal for them with EH Bildu

[kaoras]

Will Sumar show up on the results wite (https://resultados.generales23j.es/es/inicio/0) as one list of multiple (like Podemos did in the last few elections) ?

From what I can tell from the official election app, they will appear as a single list

[kaoras]

One potential nightmarish escenario is PP and Vox getting a very tight majority (~176 seats) and then losing it when the vote from Spaniards living in foreign countries is counted a few days later.

The CERA vote is overwhelmingly leftwing and broke record numbers since the process was simplified. Asturias election in 2012 was decided by it.

If that happens, the behavior of PP and Vox is not going to be pretty

[kaoras]

If PP + VOX are at 170 seats when the results are released in 5 minutes they will probably win a majority but the number of mail votes tripling compared to 2019 can make things unpredictable.

Will they count mail-in votes before, at the same time, or after the election ballots are counted?

Mail ballots are counted last.

I was told that they are mixed with the election day vote and counted at the same time.

[kaoras]

10.07% reporting:

31.3% PSOE
28.8% PP
10.4% Vox
10.2% Sumar

PP+Vox= 155
PSOE+Sumar= 152

If it follows the trends of last elections it will be a very tight Right majority or another election

[kaoras]

I've seen enough, the right will not get enough seats for government

[kaoras]

I've seen enough, the right will not get enough seats for government

Isn't it premature at the current vote count? But that would amazing, hopefully Sanchez can capitalize on it.

Lmao, it is absolutely premature considering that Madrid has a %5 vote count. If you look at the percentages for each province, actually the Psoe is doing REALLY BADLY. https://www.nytimes.com/es/interactive/2023/07/23/espanol/mundo/elecciones-espana-resultados.html

42% and the right is at 161. Madrid, urban Andalucía, Ceuta and Melilla will get them to 170-172 and that's it.

Edit: 160 now lol

[kaoras]

At 58% PP finally passes PSOE 131-130, but the right is still stuck at 162.

Also, serious possibility that PSOE remains the most voted party.

[kaoras]

What are the political differences between Ceuta and Melilla? What explains the former going PSOE and the latter going PP?

Usually not much. Both Ceuta and Melilla usually start PSOE because the ultra low-turnout muslim neighborhoods get counted first and then they flip to PP. But PSOE is still hanging out in Ceuta by 7% with 70% counted. They may be able to keep it, lmao.

[kaoras]

How is the relationship between Junts and PSOE?

Junts will vote against any government.

[kaoras]

Okay PSOE will lose Ceuta, the right will still fall short.