Spanish elections and politics III / Pedro Sánchez faces a new term as PM

[Good Habit]

I'm a "multiculturalista" as well... whatever this is worth....

[Mike88]

I got "Liberal".

Some of the questions were weird like the one for a test to see if people could be eligible to vote. Does any party really propose that?

[MRCVzla]

Test link without Vanguardia' paywall: https://cluster17.com/espagne/
I got "Socialdemocrat"

Four debates had been confirmed, but Feijóo would be only present in the first one, a "face-to-face" with Sánchez on Atresmedia networks in July 10, for now he rejects to appear on other two debates with Sánchez, Díaz and Abascal (July 14 on PRISA media and July 19 at public broadcaster RTVE), he only will accept if they include the regional nationalist parties with parliamentary group (ERC, PNV and Bildu) as he sees the "most honest" option, there's already planned a "debate a 7" of parliamentary spokepersons also on RTVE on July 13.

Feijóo also says what Díaz' labor reform (approved thanks for a mishap of a PP MP) it's "very important" keeping their core and he would respect "improving" in some aspects.

Extremadura update: PP' Guardiola is more open to dialogue with Vox, meanwhile, outgoing socialist Regional President Fernández Vara will present to the Investiture even if he doesn't have the majority, one the vote fails, the clock for a potential electoral repeat will start.

There appears to be some mishap with the Vox party list in Santa Cruz de Tenerife province.

There was some internal revolt, many of the candidates on the list resigned hours before the deadline and end up unable to re-do the list, Vox should have got 1 seat in Tenerife and that seat will gone to any other party, this in the Congress, in the 4 island constituencies for Senate Vox will stand in.

[Velasco]

María Guardiola,  the PP candidate in Extremadura,  proved to be unprincipled and a liar.  Vox will enter regional government holding agriculture and forestry (both portolios are very appropiate for a party denialist of climate warming). Feijóo openly sanctions coalition governments with Vox and disapproves criticism on the far-right denialism of gender-based violence,  LGBT rights and so on

María Guardiola 10 days ago: "Of course, I promise. I won't govern with Vox"

https://twitter.com/AimarBretos/status/1674690253662085120?t=2oB1EU4r3rABXBfXFML...

[Battista Minola 1616]

I took that Cluster17 test and got "socialdemócrata", which appears to mean "poor Andalucian and/or Latin American who goes to church but votes PSOE".

Guardiola's U-turn is pathetic, but particularly funny because I just looked up her (Spanish) Wikipedia page and it has a section essentially dedicated to talking about how moderate she is.

[Velasco]

Inflation rates in the Eurozone countries. Handsome Sánchez is about 1.1 points better than Mitsotakis

https://twitter.com/IdafeMartin/status/1674706396586147840?t=Mra4Su6t0ab60y3m8ta...

[crals]

It looks like the Spanish right might once again snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Bizarre of Feijóo to praise one of the government's major reforms while enabling Vox's reactionary agenda.

[Mike88]

It looks like the Spanish right might once again snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Bizarre of Feijóo to praise one of the government's major reforms while enabling Vox's reactionary agenda.

Feijóo seems to be following the playbook of Spain's next door neighbor leader.

The Extremadura deal, what a mess. Someone should give María Guardiola the book "Negotiations for dummies".

[Velasco]

The Extremadura deal, what a mess. Someone should give María Guardiola the book "Negotiations for dummies".

I think the problem with Maria Guardiola can be summarized in a single word: dignity. Guardiola is a woman who was trying to convey the umage of a moderate conservative sensitive to women's and LGBT rights (thus incompatible with Vox). At first the PP national leadership said regional leaders had autonomy to negotiate in their own, so Feijóo sanctioned the deal in Valencia (with concessions capitalized by Vox) and Guardiola's strategy in Extremadura. However, the right-wing media in Madrid (remember, PP's driving forces are in the Spanish capital) began to attack Guardiola and exert pressure on Feijóo,  who ended up disowning Guardiola in turn. Finally Guardiola gave up in the most pathetic and humiliating way possible. The woman who said that she would never govern with the homophobe and male chauvinist party becoming in the living image of indignity. Guardiola had two other possible choices to preserve her dignity: going to a repetion of elections or resigning.

I think it's perfectly clear now that Feijóo is neither a moderate nor a true leader. In case the right-wing bloc wins the elections and gets a majority, Santiago Abascal will be the deputy PM and Vox will impose its reactionary agenda in collusion to the PP's neoliberal branch in Madrid.

Barbarism vs civilization

[Mike88]

I agree that the way the deal was made is a disaster. And let's be honest, Extremadura was a perfect moment to put Vox on the "ropes". Guardiola should have forced a confirmation vote and say to Vox, either you support me or you support the Left. In this scenario, Vox would be cornered and had basically no other choice. Plus, this decision would be great for PP: It would show who's "the boss" on the right and prove to voters that Vox is unreliable and that they should concentrate their votes on PP.

What happened in reality is the worse case for PP, as they are perceived as in the "hands" of Vox.

[Velasco]

Indeed, the problem is that the pressure exerted on the PP leadership to seal coalitions with Vox is very strong. Firmnesss with Vox requires able leadership

[P. Clodius Pulcher did nothing wrong]

Hopefully the voters actually punish the politicians for their blunders

[PSOL]

I have decided that while I will abstain to ensure that any PP+Vox government does not have a workable majority given that the left in many seats will be straggling the threshold, I will not vote for any sort of continuation of the Sanchez government by voting for their left wing. I have a feeling there will be a minority PP government at best.

[LAKISYLVANIA]

https://twitter.com/Nassreddin2002/status/1675555821210546181

best tiktok video ever

[GM Team Member and Deputy PPT WB]

Never expected a political party to make a YTPesque sh*tpost

[Harlow]

Never expected a political party to make a YTPesque sh*tpost

Content like this is pretty frequent in Latin American politics as well. Supposedly it appeals to young people but it feels like a cringe attempt at being meme-y IMO.

[Zinneke]

Never expected a political party to make a YTPesque sh*tpost

Content like this is pretty frequent in Latin American politics as well. Supposedly it appeals to young people but it feels like a cringe attempt at being meme-y IMO.

No it's a direct response to the PP also using such tactics (Ayuso had her jingle that people with zero interest in politics other than "stopping the golpistas/communists" were singing in the streets) , not to mention how far right influencers that technically operate outside of the party political system are very effective on platforms like TikTok.

It is hardly the Spanish Left's fault that everything has to be memey and aesthetic to appeal to Salamanca-dwelling Chanel-wearing normies. They are the ones actually turning up to the long form debates while the PP prefers to spread the "red peril" stuff directly imported from Latin America.

[Mike88]

So far, the most recent polls seem to point that the "Extremadura fiasco" had no impact on voting intentions. But more evidence is needed, of course.

[S019]

Never expected a political party to make a YTPesque sh*tpost

Content like this is pretty frequent in Latin American politics as well. Supposedly it appeals to young people but it feels like a cringe attempt at being meme-y IMO.

No it's a direct response to the PP also using such tactics (Ayuso had her jingle that people with zero interest in politics other than "stopping the golpistas/communists" were singing in the streets) , not to mention how far right influencers that technically operate outside of the party political system are very effective on platforms like TikTok.

It is hardly the Spanish Left's fault that everything has to be memey and aesthetic to appeal to Salamanca-dwelling Chanel-wearing normies. They are the ones actually turning up to the long form debates while the PP prefers to spread the "red peril" stuff directly imported from Latin America.

I struggle to understand this post honestly. Salamanca is one of the most pro-PP places not just in Madrid, but all of Spain. It makes little sense that the Spanish left is posting memes on TikTok to try to win votes there, as opposed to young voters overall. I also doubt that the type of young voters inclined to vote for Sumar are those that inhabit the apartments of their rich parents in central Madrid.

[Zinneke]

Never expected a political party to make a YTPesque sh*tpost

Content like this is pretty frequent in Latin American politics as well. Supposedly it appeals to young people but it feels like a cringe attempt at being meme-y IMO.

No it's a direct response to the PP also using such tactics (Ayuso had her jingle that people with zero interest in politics other than "stopping the golpistas/communists" were singing in the streets) , not to mention how far right influencers that technically operate outside of the party political system are very effective on platforms like TikTok.

It is hardly the Spanish Left's fault that everything has to be memey and aesthetic to appeal to Salamanca-dwelling Chanel-wearing normies. They are the ones actually turning up to the long form debates while the PP prefers to spread the "red peril" stuff directly imported from Latin America.

I struggle to understand this post honestly. Salamanca is one of the most pro-PP places not just in Madrid, but all of Spain. It makes little sense that the Spanish left is posting memes on TikTok to try to win votes there, as opposed to young voters overall. I also doubt that the type of young voters inclined to vote for Sumar are those that inhabit the apartments of their rich parents in central Madrid.

I am saying that what started the trend, including Ayuso's marketing campaign, were Salamanca style normies who needed more political engagement, hence why it is not Sumars fault this kind of campaigning matters.

[S019]

Never expected a political party to make a YTPesque sh*tpost

Content like this is pretty frequent in Latin American politics as well. Supposedly it appeals to young people but it feels like a cringe attempt at being meme-y IMO.

No it's a direct response to the PP also using such tactics (Ayuso had her jingle that people with zero interest in politics other than "stopping the golpistas/communists" were singing in the streets) , not to mention how far right influencers that technically operate outside of the party political system are very effective on platforms like TikTok.

It is hardly the Spanish Left's fault that everything has to be memey and aesthetic to appeal to Salamanca-dwelling Chanel-wearing normies. They are the ones actually turning up to the long form debates while the PP prefers to spread the "red peril" stuff directly imported from Latin America.

I struggle to understand this post honestly. Salamanca is one of the most pro-PP places not just in Madrid, but all of Spain. It makes little sense that the Spanish left is posting memes on TikTok to try to win votes there, as opposed to young voters overall. I also doubt that the type of young voters inclined to vote for Sumar are those that inhabit the apartments of their rich parents in central Madrid.

I am saying that what started the trend, including Ayuso's marketing campaign, were Salamanca style normies who needed more political engagement, hence why it is not Sumars fault this kind of campaigning matters.

That makes much more sense than my initial reading of your post. I assume eventually other parties realized this is a good way to reach out to low-propensity young voters?

[Oryxslayer]

This popped up in my timeline. Barest of PP-VOX majorities. Though I'm always hesitant when YouGov barges into new countries 

https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1677325697214296073?s=19

[lfromnj]

https://twitter.com/populismupdates/status/1677403613315084288

[Mike88]

This popped up in my timeline. Barest of PP-VOX majorities. Though I'm always hesitant when YouGov barges into new countries  

Not that far from what other polls are suggesting. PSOE seems stable at 28-29%, the same for Sumar at 12-13%. The big difference is between PP and Vox with some polls putting PP at around 36% but Vox at 11-12%, while others have Vox at 14-15% and PP down to 31-32%.

[jaichind]

The Bloomberg average of polls has it at

PSOE       PP      Sumar      VOX       Junts  Bildu    ERC       PNV     Other
27.9%    34.2%   13.1%    13.1%   1.8%   1.3%    2.3%    1.3%    5.1%
106        142        33           35          7        6         9          5         7