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Question: Is Trump in the strongest position for an ex-president to make a comeback since Grover Cleveland in 1892?
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« on: February 22, 2021, 03:15:55 PM »
« edited: February 22, 2021, 03:26:41 PM by Tekken_Guy »

Is Donald Trump in the strongest position for an ex-president to make a comeback bid since Grover Cleveland's 1892 bid?

EDIT: As a member of the same party that he previously served as president under.
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« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2021, 03:19:16 PM »

Roosevelt was pretty strong as well, so it’s a question of if he ousts him.
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« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2021, 03:24:11 PM »

Roosevelt was pretty strong as well, so it’s a question of if he ousts him.

Oh yeah, I forgot about Roosevelt’s 3rd party bid.
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« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2021, 03:55:37 PM »

was there ever talk of an HW comeback?

otherwise I'd consider Ford who wielded great influence in 1980, as well as Teddy.
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« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2021, 03:58:36 PM »

He's got an excellent chance of winning the primary if he runs. His chances of winning the general are pretty poor at this point, so I voted no. Who is going to vote for him next time that didn't vote for him last time?
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« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2021, 04:04:47 PM »

No.

Teddy not just did well in 1912, he would have won in 1916 if he ran and definitely would have been elected in a landslide in 1920 if he lived longer.
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« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2021, 04:07:44 PM »

Yes, but it still wouldn’t be enough to win unless Biden gets unlucky or screws up royally.
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« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2021, 04:53:48 PM »

Ford wasn't in a terrible position for '80, and if not for Reagan he probably would've won.
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« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2021, 07:19:17 PM »

Roosevelt was pretty strong as well, so it’s a question of if he ousts him.

Oh yeah, I forgot about Roosevelt’s 3rd party bid.

He was the front-runner in 1920 before he died.

Little doubt he'd have defeated Cox or McAdoo or whomever in 1920.
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« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2021, 07:27:38 PM »

Yes, depressingly. I am not convinced that he can win yet, as things stand right now, but this question is asking about his chances not if he will or won't pull a Cleveland.
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« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2021, 08:25:56 PM »

There haven't been that many one term Presidents since Cleveland and those had major portions of their own party wanting to move on to newer pastures.  He's not in a strong position, but almost by default, he's certainly in the strongest position since Teddy, who under current rules couldn't have tried a comeback anyway.
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« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2021, 08:32:11 PM »

Against Biden, probably not unless Covid is still here in 2024 or if there’s another recession.

Against anyone else, yes.
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« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2021, 10:26:58 PM »

Teddy Roosevelt beats him out I think. I think Trump would very easily win the primary, but would struggle in the general. Gerald Ford was kind of in the reverse situation in 1980, so I would rank them about equally, but both below Roosevelt.
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« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2021, 12:31:17 AM »

A lot of it comes down to whether or not he remembers the cause of his success in the first place. If he doesn't bother to campaign on anything resembling a real issue and instead does nothing but complain about how mean everyone was to him then he's going to struggle. If not in the primary, then certainly in the general.
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« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2021, 12:40:42 AM »

Well let’s look at this:

Teddy Roosevelt: Undisputedly the strongest for a presidential “comeback” (albeit he didn’t lose last time) He could have won as well had a few things changed just a bit.

Taft: Yeah probably not. It’s not like he really wanted it anyways.

Coolidge: Lol, he would be trying to run in...1932, yeah no.

Hoover: Haha.

Truman: Ike was too popular, he would have made it closer than Snorevenson.

Johnson: In 1972? Yeah lol. Probably would have done better than McGovern if that’s any consolation.

Ford: If he could win the primary against Reagan (doubtful) he would be favored.

Carter: lol

HW Bush: Nah, Clinton was smooth and it’s not like HW was that well liked.

I would honestly say Trump is in the second best position unless some stuff changes. He is not on the TR level, but he has a shot.
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« Reply #15 on: February 23, 2021, 12:50:31 AM »

No, he mounted an insurrection that will be played over and over again, Rs really need to get over Trump, D's and Indy's don't like him
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« Reply #16 on: February 23, 2021, 01:49:47 AM »

Who is going to vote for him next time that didn't vote for him last time?

That’s what I thought for awhile going into 2020. Then Trump somehow managed to increase his overall percentage share of the vote and net gained over 11 million more votes. Americans are “very special” to put it in Trump’s own words. I still think he would be the underdog in a GE but I’d still be very uncomfortable.
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« Reply #17 on: February 23, 2021, 10:52:40 AM »

Yes pretty easily.

Carter had no chance, HW Bush had no chance, Hoover had no chance of winning a 2nd term. You could argue Ford but he never served a full term and was never elected and I do think Trump is more popular than Ford was.
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« Reply #18 on: February 23, 2021, 12:41:49 PM »

Now that I think about it, Theodore Roosevelt was in a better shape for a political comeback than was Cleveland. Taft chose not to run in 1916. Wilson was dying and knew it in 1924, as was Coolidge in 1932. Hoover had made a great mess of things and wasn't going to run again (see also Carter) even if he was in good intellectual and physical shape for a long time. Truman  had a huge roller-coaster of a Presidency. Beyond that -- the Presidency had taken much out of LBJ. Ford was in reasonably-good condition for 1980 but chose not to run. George H W Bush might have gotten the GOP nomination in 1996 had he run... but didn't. 

Trump is in very bad shape, and he is going out of style fast.
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« Reply #19 on: February 23, 2021, 12:44:42 PM »

I wouldn't be surprised if Trump staged a comeback to win in 2024, but I wouldn't consider it particularly likely either
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« Reply #20 on: February 23, 2021, 12:52:41 PM »

He may try to make a comeback to give himself purpose and meaning again... but that is more for an attempt to understand his character. I wouldn't try to psychoanalyze him.
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« Reply #21 on: February 23, 2021, 01:01:35 PM »

As many have already pointed out, Teddy was much more of an odds-on favorite to win the 1920 election (before he died, that is) than Trump is as of right now to win in 2024, so since Cleveland, the answer would obviously be no. If we narrow the timeline down to just being post-22nd Amendment, though, then the answer would probably be yes, because the only other arguable contender would be Ford, who probably would've lost the nomination to Reagan had he tried to mount a comeback in 1980 anyway, whereas Trump is very much the odds-on favorite to win the nomination if he runs in 2024.
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« Reply #22 on: February 23, 2021, 02:03:13 PM »

Roosevelt was pretty strong as well, so it’s a question of if he ousts him.
But Roosevelt stepped down, he didn't lose re-election like Cleveland and Trump. TR would have won in 1912 and even 1916 if he wanted.

But for a president who lost re-election? Yes, he has a 50-50 chance of winning in 2024. Maybe more. Carter and HW were never going to be re-elected
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« Reply #23 on: February 23, 2021, 02:44:26 PM »

This question is impossible to answer until maybe 2022.
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« Reply #24 on: February 23, 2021, 02:49:15 PM »

Roosevelt was pretty strong as well, so it’s a question of if he ousts him.
But Roosevelt stepped down, he didn't lose re-election like Cleveland and Trump. TR would have won in 1912 and even 1916 if he wanted.

What? He literally ran and lost in 1912. You mean if he had ran again in 1908 and then kept running?
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