Covid wars launch DeSantis into GOP ‘top tier’

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

The more deaths you're responsible for, the more popular you are with the current Republican Party.

Unless those "deaths" are fetuses supposedly.

It's not about fetuses or babies or children.  As long as they're forcing women to remain pregnant, Republicans are happy.

[Averroës Nix]

The more deaths you're responsible for, the more popular you are with the current Republican Party.

Statewide death rates vary more based on (A) the number of poor people living in cramped housing and (B) how friendly the climate is to spending time outdoors. Even after you account for that, it's hard to rate DeSantis's handling particularly poorly unless you're more focused on theatrics than results:



Sure, if you want a governor who put on a big show about how seriously they were taking the pandemic, a Newsom or a Cuomo is better. But Florida doesn't appear to be any worse off for DeSantis's handling.

[OSR stands with Israel]

The more deaths you're responsible for, the more popular you are with the current Republican Party.

Florida has done better than the median state when it comes to COVID so this talking point of how bad his COVID response has been is factually incorrect

[ElectionsGuy]

The more deaths you're responsible for, the more popular you are with the current Republican Party.

Florida has done better than the median state when it comes to COVID so this talking point of how bad his COVID response has been is factually incorrect

But they're the party of science, facts, and evidence. Are you seriously suggesting that freedom does better than lockdowns? How dare you contradict PUBLIC HEALTH EXPERTS.

[lfromnj]

One thing to consider its better to put light restrictions which people will listen to rather than go with absurd restrictions no one cares about.

[Xing]

Denying science and common sense to "own teh libz" is basically the modern GOP platform, so it's no surprise.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Denying science and common sense to "own teh libz" is basically the modern GOP platform, so it's no surprise.

Must be why Florida is doing better than the median state

[支持核绿派 (Greens4Nuclear)]

Denying science and common sense to "own teh libz" is basically the modern GOP platform, so it's no surprise.

Must be why Florida is doing better than the median state

According to NPR, Florida had a transmission rate of 28 new cases per day per 10,000 people this week, which is higher than all but 8-9 states.



https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/09/01/816707182/map-tracking-the-spread-of-the-coronavirus-in-the-u-s

[Pericles]

To be fair, Florida is 28/50 in confirmed deaths per million. Perhaps Florida's government skewed the numbers, but I doubt they could have pulled off a coverup that extreme. Deaths are the best way still to measure how different areas have done, since case numbers are skewed by varying levels of testing, and preventing deaths and serious illness is the most important objective. It is kind of surprising since Florida is a very elderly state, maybe the weather helped it since Covid's seasonality has been a factor in increasing transmission.

Most of the highest confirmed deaths per million are in Northeastern states, with most of the damage for them coming in March and April last year. For example in New York (which has the second highest number of deaths per million), the first wave peak in deaths was massive and was higher than even states like Arizona experienced this winter, and then it didn't do significantly better than the nation in this winter (perhaps it was hurt by being a cold, urbanised state). New York's total daily death numbers in the first wave were similar to European countries like Italy with three times its population. It's not so simple as saying that this means lockdowns don't work or whatever, because the highest transmission that baked in those huge death tolls happened when there weren't any Covid restrictions yet.

[Xing]

Denying science and common sense to "own teh libz" is basically the modern GOP platform, so it's no surprise.

Must be why Florida is doing better than the median state

If we ignore that DeSantis has tried to cover up the statistics.

[Pericles]

Actually, Florida's levels of excess deaths (17% above normal) are below the national average (21% above normal), so that suggests that the official death toll hasn't been massively skewed (though it still does undercount the deaths).
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/01/14/us/covid-19-death-toll.html

I'm not sure what DeSantis has done to minimize deaths, more likely there is something about Florida that makes it less vulnerable but I'm not sure what the answer is.

[支持核绿派 (Greens4Nuclear)]

Actually, Florida's levels of excess deaths (17% above normal) are below the national average (21% above normal), so that suggests that the official death toll hasn't been massively skewed (though it still does undercount the deaths).
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/01/14/us/covid-19-death-toll.html

I'm not sure what DeSantis has done to minimize deaths, more likely there is something about Florida that makes it less vulnerable but I'm not sure what the answer is.

I want to say it's the warm weather, but studies haven't conclusively shown that cold temps and dry air make COVID-19 easier to spread, like with cold and flu viruses. Maybe Floridians are less likely to have preexisting conditions (POTUS # 45 notwithstanding)?

[Pericles]

Actually, Florida's levels of excess deaths (17% above normal) are below the national average (21% above normal), so that suggests that the official death toll hasn't been massively skewed (though it still does undercount the deaths).
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/01/14/us/covid-19-death-toll.html

I'm not sure what DeSantis has done to minimize deaths, more likely there is something about Florida that makes it less vulnerable but I'm not sure what the answer is.

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I want to say it's the warm weather, but studies haven't conclusively shown that cold temps and dry air make COVID-19 easier to spread, like with cold and flu viruses. Maybe Floridians are less likely to have preexisting conditions (POTUS # 45 notwithstanding)?

There is a seasonal effect, though it seems to be more that colder weather forces people indoors into poorly ventilated spaces more. The cooling weather coincided with the US daily case numbers going into the hundreds of thousands and the second wave sweeping across Europe. Though the correlation isn't extremely strong, some of the highest per capita death rates are in the Sunbelt. Here is the CDC's map, which covers the entire pandemic (weirdly, it's New York numbers don't include New York City-which has a higher death rate than any state).

[AlterEgo]

Denying science and common sense to "own teh libz" is basically the modern GOP platform, so it's no surprise.

Must be why Florida is doing better than the median state

According to NPR, Florida had a transmission rate of 28 new cases per day per 10,000 people this week, which is higher than all but 8-9 states.



https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/09/01/816707182/map-tracking-the-spread-of-the-coronavirus-in-the-u-s

If you look at those states in red on that map, though, there's not really much correlation. There's a good mix of states that have been more stringent with states that have been more lax.

[Ⓐnarchy in the ☭☭☭P!]

Actually, Florida's levels of excess deaths (17% above normal) are below the national average (21% above normal), so that suggests that the official death toll hasn't been massively skewed (though it still does undercount the deaths).
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/01/14/us/covid-19-death-toll.html

I'm not sure what DeSantis has done to minimize deaths, more likely there is something about Florida that makes it less vulnerable but I'm not sure what the answer is.

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I want to say it's the warm weather, but studies haven't conclusively shown that cold temps and dry air make COVID-19 easier to spread, like with cold and flu viruses. Maybe Floridians are less likely to have preexisting conditions (POTUS # 45 notwithstanding)?

There is a seasonal effect, though it seems to be more that colder weather forces people indoors into poorly ventilated spaces more. The cooling weather coincided with the US daily case numbers going into the hundreds of thousands and the second wave sweeping across Europe. Though the correlation isn't extremely strong, some of the highest per capita death rates are in the Sunbelt. Here is the CDC's map, which covers the entire pandemic (weirdly, it's New York numbers don't include New York City-which has a higher death rate than any state).

The most obvious explanation is that it isn't so much cold weather as it is extreme weather that forces people inside combined with population density contributing to a faster spread. The Mountain States and Pacific Northwest had among the lowest death rates in the US more or less regardless of lockdown stringency and it probably helps that they don't get as many extremely hot or cold days as, say, Alabama or New York.

The same pattern exists in Canada too, though the data is more of a hassle to find. The worst hit province was Quebec, which implemented some of the toughest measures in the country while temperate British Columbia has had a remarkably low death rate despite fairly lackadaisical enforcement. At a minimum there's a correlation.

[TodayJunior]

He does poorly among AA, that's why he is Vulnerable to a Charlie Crist challenge, he would lose the Midwest to Biden with only IL as the only Latino state.

That's why he did poorly with Gillian.  If he survives a Charlie Crist challenge in 2022, which he wont

To be fair to DeSantis, he was behind well-outside the margin of error in all public polling in 2018 against Gillum (I don’t recall a single one where he was ahead) in a Democratic wave year, and won. So it was actually more of an upset that he did win.

If you look at a source from “the center square” from Nov 27, 2018 (again can’t post the link until I get to 20 posts), he got an unexpected boost from black women regarding his stance on school choice, so that could have made the difference.  

[Progressive Pessimist]

To me it doesn't matter how Florida is doing with cases or deaths because even in spite of all that DeSantis has engaged in incredibly corrupt behavior when it comes to the pandemic.

This is a Governor who threatens state and local politicians who criticize him; holds maskless, indoor fundraisers; and rewards his donors with access to vaccines before the most vulnerable in his state can even get them. Ignoring these aspects of his leadership and obfuscating about other states sounds a lot like "at least he made the trains run on time" to me.

F*** this scumbag!

[Pericles]

The extreme weather theory does seem plausible, but the actual data seems to point to something different. While Arizona had higher deaths per million than the nation in its summer wave, it has had a much higher peak in deaths over January. Mississippi's third wave similarly was worse than its second, and Louisiana (as expected) had its worst peak in the first wave, with its summer wave not being as bad as the other two.

Maybe extreme heat is not as dangerous as extreme cold in spreading Covid because indoor spaces will be better ventilated when it is warmer, which reduces transmission.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

The only person that can win over AA is Rubio and can win VA over Biden or Harris. DeSantis like Trump memorializes Rush Limbaugh but fail to memorialize Covid victims, where Females and Minorities are in nursing homes especially, sick from Covid.

DeSantis crushes Rubio in primaries I get the forum likes DeSantis but where was Trump or DeSantis last Monday when Congress memorializes Covid victims, they were in FL like CPAC and Sean Hannity, memorializing Rush Limbaugh.

That's why DeSantis almost lost to Gilliam and would have lost to Graham

[AlterEgo]

The only person that can win over AA is Rubio and can win VA over Biden or Harris. DeSantis like Trump memorializes Rush Limbaugh but fail to memorialize Covid victims, where Females and Minorities are in nursing homes especially, sick from Covid.

DeSantis crushes Rubio in primaries I get the forum likes DeSantis but where was Trump or DeSantis last Monday when Congress memorializes Covid victims, they were in FL like CPAC and Sean Hannity, memorializing Rush Limbaugh.

That's why DeSantis almost lost to Gilliam and would have lost to Graham

The Republican candidate almost lost to the Democratic candidate for governor because the Republican candidate always almost loses to the Democratic candidate. But never does. Every. Single. Election. Doesn't matter who the GOP candidate is. Doesn't matter who the Dem candidate is.

[Coolface Sock #42069]

Ron DeSantis

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

The only person that can win over AA is Rubio and can win VA over Biden or Harris. DeSantis like Trump memorializes Rush Limbaugh but fail to memorialize Covid victims, where Females and Minorities are in nursing homes especially, sick from Covid.

DeSantis crushes Rubio in primaries I get the forum likes DeSantis but where was Trump or DeSantis last Monday when Congress memorializes Covid victims, they were in FL like CPAC and Sean Hannity, memorializing Rush Limbaugh.

That's why DeSantis almost lost to Gilliam and would have lost to Graham

The Republican candidate almost lost to the Democratic candidate for governor because the Republican candidate always almost loses to the Democratic candidate. But never does. Every. Single. Election. Doesn't matter who the GOP candidate is. Doesn't matter who the Dem candidate is.

Yeah we nominated Gilliam whom underperformed the polls and the polls showed that he would beat DeDantis, which lied we should of nominated Graham, she would have beaten DeSantis

Just like the same polls showed Biden winning by 14 over Trump

Polls lie to us all the time

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Ron DeSantis

Once he comes out of FL like Sununu and run a natl campaign he will be scrutinized by the natl press.

Sununu is not the fav anymore against Hassan, Hadsan is tied with Sununu in polling and polls show led Sununu approval at 55% like DeSantis.

He memorialized Rush Limbaugh not Covid victims and AA and Latinos are far more liberal than FL, he will lose

[AlterEgo]

The only person that can win over AA is Rubio and can win VA over Biden or Harris. DeSantis like Trump memorializes Rush Limbaugh but fail to memorialize Covid victims, where Females and Minorities are in nursing homes especially, sick from Covid.

DeSantis crushes Rubio in primaries I get the forum likes DeSantis but where was Trump or DeSantis last Monday when Congress memorializes Covid victims, they were in FL like CPAC and Sean Hannity, memorializing Rush Limbaugh.

That's why DeSantis almost lost to Gilliam and would have lost to Graham

The Republican candidate almost lost to the Democratic candidate for governor because the Republican candidate always almost loses to the Democratic candidate. But never does. Every. Single. Election. Doesn't matter who the GOP candidate is. Doesn't matter who the Dem candidate is.

Yeah we nominated Gilliam whom underperformed the polls and the polls showed that he would beat DeDantis, which lied we should of nominated Graham, she would have beaten DeSantis

Just like the same polls showed Biden winning by 14 over Trump

Polls lie to us all the time

Not sure what any of that has to do with the fact that any Dem candidate is going to lose to any Rep candidate by a rather slim margin no matter who the candidates are.

DeSantis would've beaten Graham by under a point just like he beat Gillum. Just like Scott beat Crist by a point. Just like Scott beat Sink by 1.2 points

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

The only person that can win over AA is Rubio and can win VA over Biden or Harris. DeSantis like Trump memorializes Rush Limbaugh but fail to memorialize Covid victims, where Females and Minorities are in nursing homes especially, sick from Covid.

DeSantis crushes Rubio in primaries I get the forum likes DeSantis but where was Trump or DeSantis last Monday when Congress memorializes Covid victims, they were in FL like CPAC and Sean Hannity, memorializing Rush Limbaugh.

That's why DeSantis almost lost to Gilliam and would have lost to Graham

The Republican candidate almost lost to the Democratic candidate for governor because the Republican candidate always almost loses to the Democratic candidate. But never does. Every. Single. Election. Doesn't matter who the GOP candidate is. Doesn't matter who the Dem candidate is.

Yeah we nominated Gilliam whom underperformed the polls and the polls showed that he would beat DeDantis, which lied we should of nominated Graham, she would have beaten DeSantis

Just like the same polls showed Biden winning by 14 over Trump

Polls lie to us all the time

Not sure what any of that has to do with the fact that any Dem candidate is going to lose to any Rep candidate by a rather slim margin no matter who the candidates are.

DeSantis would've beaten Graham by under a point just like he beat Gillum. Just like Scott beat Crist by a point. Just like Scott beat Sink by 1.2 points

DeSantis won't beat anyone, Sununu polls have gone down and only tied with Hassan

The R party is still the R party DeSantis on not giving tax cuts to the rich

Biden will beat DeSantis

Graham was far better candidate than Gilliam was, she would have beaten DeSantis, he wasn't at 57% in 2018, a D or Red avatar rooting for DeSantos, LOL

Biden is at approvals the same as DeSantis 52 if an inc Prez is at 50 or above by Election time he wi s

Also, D's have to win PA not FL which is fav to Rs due to Cuban embargo