1980 Democratic primary if Ford won in 1976 and these were the candidates

[darklordoftech]

All have an equal chance at winning the nomination.

[Wikipedia delenda est]

Carter’s a neoliberal, Kennedy’s a scumbag, so easy vote for Church.

[darklordoftech]

Carter’s a neoliberal

Carter picked Mondale as a concession to progressives.

[Wikipedia delenda est]

Carter’s a neoliberal

Carter picked Mondale as a concession to progressives.

And as President he deregulated the airlines and appointed Paul Volcker to the Fed to jack up interest rates.

[Continential]

Church.

[Alben Barkley]

Carter’s a neoliberal, Kennedy’s a scumbag, so easy vote for Church.

He's not running in this hypothetical, unfortunately.

[Alben Barkley]

Carter’s a neoliberal

Carter picked Mondale as a concession to progressives.

And as President he deregulated the airlines and appointed Paul Volcker to the Fed to jack up interest rates.

Both of these things were fantastic decisions. And it's not even really a subject for debate anymore, given that they both worked out quite well. Hard to believe anyone would still seriously argue against them over four decades later.

It's weird to me how sometimes people are so ideological that they would literally prefer objectively worse policies/decisions that theoretically align better with their ideology over pragmatic, evidence-based policies/decisions that get measurable results. See: Bill Clinton's entire presidency, which literally created more jobs and cut poverty more than any other administration in history, yet is still decried by certain lefties for being "nEoLiBerAl." I guess it just goes to show that, despite all the rhetoric about supporting the working man, the goal isn't to create jobs and lift people out of poverty after all, rather just to win an imaginary war of ideas.

[darklordoftech]

Carter’s a neoliberal

Carter picked Mondale as a concession to progressives.

And as President he deregulated the airlines and appointed Paul Volcker to the Fed to jack up interest rates.

I meant to say that Mondale is to the left of Carter.

[Wikipedia delenda est]

Carter’s a neoliberal, Kennedy’s a scumbag, so easy vote for Church.

He's not running in this hypothetical, unfortunately.

Carter’s a neoliberal

Carter picked Mondale as a concession to progressives.

And as President he deregulated the airlines and appointed Paul Volcker to the Fed to jack up interest rates.

I meant to say that Mondale is the left of Carter.

Lol I’m blind. Still voting for Church I guess but Mondale’s pretty good too.

[President Johnson]

Frank Church, easily.

Gerald Ford as president from 1974 to 1981 and then succeeded by Frank Church would have been such a good timeline. However, Church would have died in his term, as he did in April 1984. I would hope he'd go with a strong vice president like Lloyd Bentsen or Reubin Askew.

[Alcibiades]

Church just pips Mondale for me, but I like both a lot. Definitely not Ted Kennedy.

[TDAS04]

Church > Mondale > Mr. Chappaquiddick.

[Benjamin Frank]

Carter’s a neoliberal

Carter picked Mondale as a concession to progressives.

And as President he deregulated the airlines and appointed Paul Volcker to the Fed to jack up interest rates.

Carter did not cut the health and safety regulations on the airlines, that was Reagan.

[Starry Eyed Jagaloon]

Carter’s a neoliberal

Carter picked Mondale as a concession to progressives.

And as President he deregulated the airlines and appointed Paul Volcker to the Fed to jack up interest rates.

Carter did not cut the health and safety regulations on the airlines, that was Reagan.

He's talking about policy changes which let airlines fly where the wanted, price tickets how they wanted, and actually compete with eachother for passenger flow (the government used to control these things for some reason)--the consequences of which of course led to mass affordable air travel. The fact that someone thinks this was a bad thing with hindsight is truly strange.

[Benjamin Frank]

Carter’s a neoliberal

Carter picked Mondale as a concession to progressives.

And as President he deregulated the airlines and appointed Paul Volcker to the Fed to jack up interest rates.

Carter did not cut the health and safety regulations on the airlines, that was Reagan.

He's talking about policy changes which let airlines fly where the wanted, price tickets how they wanted, and actually compete with eachother for passenger flow (the government used to control both these things for some reason)--the consequences of which of course led to mass affordable air travel. Thr fact that someone thinks this was a bad thing with hindsight is truly strange.

1.I've commented on the Carter deregulation of both the airline and trucking industry before here, I didn't know there was anybody else here who was familiar with how much these industries were defacto government run prior to Carter (Nixon actually started the process.  The purpose was not ideological, it was hoped that greater competition in these industries would reduce inflation.)

2.Due to what I wrote above, I don't know if the OP is aware of that.  When people hear "Carter deregulated the airlines and trucking industries" they likely think that included environmental and health and safety regulations since:

A.As I wrote above, I don't think most people are aware those industries were defacto government run, it seems to be a largely forgotten part of American history along with the low grade left wing terrorism of the late 1960s and the early 1970s and the CIA and FBI involvement assisting right wing causes in America from the 1950s to the 1970s which the Church Committee held hearings on.

B. Probably largely due to Reagan, when people hear 'deregulation' they likely think of cuts to environmental or health and safety regulations.

3.I wouldn't say there were no negative consequences to deregulating the airlines.  Due to the lack of competition through the regulations, the companies and the workers were both guaranteed a certain rate of return.  Especially during the transition to the airlines fully embracing and understanding the new system, workers lost their job security and the airlines lost their guaranteed rate of return.

[VPH]

Kennedy

[Kingpoleon]

How is someone guilty of manslaughter getting votes?

[𝕭𝖆𝖕𝖙𝖎𝖘𝖙𝖆 𝕸𝖎𝖓𝖔𝖑𝖆]

How is someone guilty of manslaughter getting votes?

I don't know, ask the over 7 million Americans who voted for him in the actual 1980 Democratic primaries.

[Kingpoleon]

I don't know, ask the over 7 million Americans who voted for him in the actual 1980 Democratic primaries.

I hold Atlas to a higher standard than America, especially considering access to information about Chappaquiddick.

[𝕭𝖆𝖕𝖙𝖎𝖘𝖙𝖆 𝕸𝖎𝖓𝖔𝖑𝖆]

I hold Atlas to a higher standard than America, especially considering access to information about Chappaquiddick.

I would think holding this place to a higher standard than the USA is a wise choice, but I am not completely sure.

[Mr. Smith]

Church -> Kennedy -> Mr. Budget Hawk

[Gracile]

Church, easily.

[AlterEgo]

Carter’s a neoliberal

Carter picked Mondale as a concession to progressives.

And as President he deregulated the airlines and appointed Paul Volcker to the Fed to jack up interest rates.

Carter did not cut the health and safety regulations on the airlines, that was Reagan.

He's talking about policy changes which let airlines fly where the wanted, price tickets how they wanted, and actually compete with eachother for passenger flow (the government used to control these things for some reason)--the consequences of which of course led to mass affordable air travel. The fact that someone thinks this was a bad thing with hindsight is truly strange.

If one is only concerned about how cheaply one can get from city A to city B, sure, deregulation has been great. But one can also be concerned about the stability of that industry and what that has meant to its labor force. One can also be concerned about the level of service and comfort.

One can also say that deregulation did lower fares and barriers to competitors for 25 or so years, although clearly bankruptcies, mergers and acquisitions have led to decreased competition, which should begin to increase those prices.

Yes, on net, deregulation has been mostly positive. The question is whether it will continue to be so. Here's a good read:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/223075818_The_Good_the_Bad_and_the_Ugly_30_Years_of_US_Airline_Deregulation

[Cokeland Saxton]

Church

[Sumner 1868]

Bill Clinton's entire presidency, which literally created more jobs and cut poverty more than any other administration in history, yet is still decried by certain lefties for being "nEoLiBerAl." I guess it just goes to show that, despite all the rhetoric about supporting the working man, the goal isn't to create jobs and lift people out of poverty after all, rather just to win an imaginary war of ideas.

Are people STILL unironically pushing this myth in Year Of Our Lord Two-Thousand and Twenty-One? There was no prosperity in the 1990s unless you were a stockbroker.

https://www.epi.org/publication/webfeatures_viewpoints_laborday_99/

Also note the quality of "jobs" that were "created" under Slick Willie:

https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/turning-poverty-american-crime/