A Living Wage in Dallas County, TX is $12.50 an hour

[OSR stands with Israel]

https://livingwage.mit.edu/counties/48113


This is why the 15 dollar min wage push is dumb, the whole nation is not California or NY , and if you look at San Fran that number is over 20 dollars !!! while in places like Tulsa County its less than 11 bucks an hour

[Nyvin]

So bump up the minimum wage to $15 to prepare people for the price increases suppliers will need to make once the wage increases go into effect.

[Del Tachi]

So bump up the minimum wage to $15 to prepare people for the price increases suppliers will need to make once the wage increases go into effect.

lolwut....

"raise the minimum wage so people can anticipate the consequences of what will happen when...THE MINIMUM WAGE INCREASES."

[Nyvin]

So bump up the minimum wage to $15 to prepare people for the price increases suppliers will need to make once the wage increases go into effect.

lolwut....

"raise the minimum wage so people can anticipate the consequences of what will happen when...THE MINIMUM WAGE INCREASES."

not "anticipate" rather just so they can deal with the supposed cataclysmic price increases that conservatives talk about from a minimum wage increase.

If you just increase the minimum wage in Dallas to $12.50 then the living wage would go up a smidge from suppliers increasing prices to meet labor costs.    So go a bit above $12.50 an hour, simple.

[dead0man]

not "anticipate" rather just so they can deal with the supposed cataclysmic price increases that conservatives talk about from a minimum wage increase.

any conservative that says there will be "cataclysmic price increases" doesn't know what they're talking about.  Wages are a fraction of the overall price of most things.  Even if they double, the price of a taco at Taco Bell is only going to go up a few percentage points.

The problem with upping the MW to $15/hr in the entire country is the fact that the poorest people in the poorest places WILL.LOSE.THEIR.JOBS.  I understand upper middle class white kids from the coasts don't give a sh**t about those people (and neither do the jerks they vote for), but some of us do.

[This user has not been convicted of 34 felonies]

Yes because it's actually bad to pay people more than the absolute bare minimum required to survive. And we should decentralize policy because in some places, certain policies wouldn't be as effective as other places. For instance, why would we push to treat prisoners more humanely everywhere when white collar criminals get treated pretty well in those nice rural Virginia prisons that they get sent to? Seems like that policy isn't 100% effective everywhere and therefore is useless.

[TheReckoning]

Yes because it's actually bad to pay people more than the absolute bare minimum required to survive. And we should decentralize policy because in some places, certain policies wouldn't be as effective as other places. For instance, why would we push to treat prisoners more humanely everywhere when white collar criminals get treated pretty well in those nice rural Virginia prisons that they get sent to? Seems like that policy isn't 100% effective everywhere and therefore is useless.

It’s bad to force small business to pay unnecessarily high wages under penalty of law which will in turn harm their businesses, yes.

[GP270watch]

 Rallying against the minimum wage is the most punching down inconsequential economic policy belief.

[Former President tack50]

I don't know about the US, but at least in Europe the recommendation by the EU is to have a minimum wage set at 60% of the median wage. For the US the median wage for full time workers was $865 in 2017 (not sure if it has changed much over the past 4 years), which equates to 21.6$ an hour for a 40 hour workweek. 60% of that would be 13$.

Given that is 2017 data, and that the mimimum wage would be increased gradually over a period of 4 years or so, 15$ an hour is reasonable, but on the upper limit of the reasonable area. It can go to 15$, but the federal minimum wage should not be increased beyond that (other than inflation adjustments)

[TheReckoning]

I don't know about the US, but at least in Europe the recommendation by the EU is to have a minimum wage set at 60% of the median wage. For the US the median wage for full time workers was $865 in 2017 (not sure if it has changed much over the past 4 years), which equates to 21.6$ an hour for a 40 hour workweek. 60% of that would be 13$.

Given that is 2017 data, and that the mimimum wage would be increased gradually over a period of 4 years or so, 15$ an hour is reasonable, but on the upper limit of the reasonable area. It can go to 15$, but the federal minimum wage should not be increased beyond that (other than inflation adjustments)

The minimum wage in Spain is only 8.6$ when adjusted for PPP. People in Spain seem to be doing just fine.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

Yes because it's actually bad to pay people more than the absolute bare minimum required to survive. And we should decentralize policy because in some places, certain policies wouldn't be as effective as other places. For instance, why would we push to treat prisoners more humanely everywhere when white collar criminals get treated pretty well in those nice rural Virginia prisons that they get sent to? Seems like that policy isn't 100% effective everywhere and therefore is useless.

It’s bad to force small business to pay unnecessarily high wages under penalty of law which will in turn harm their businesses, yes.

I agree. Which is why we should make sure that everyone in the US has enough income to meet their needs for food, shelter, information access and medical care. Everyone wins, except those who exploit the public to enrich themselves.

[This user has not been convicted of 34 felonies]

Yes because it's actually bad to pay people more than the absolute bare minimum required to survive. And we should decentralize policy because in some places, certain policies wouldn't be as effective as other places. For instance, why would we push to treat prisoners more humanely everywhere when white collar criminals get treated pretty well in those nice rural Virginia prisons that they get sent to? Seems like that policy isn't 100% effective everywhere and therefore is useless.

It’s bad to force small business to pay unnecessarily high wages under penalty of law which will in turn harm their businesses, yes.

The word "unnecessarily" is doing a LOT of legwork here.

[Intell]

Doesn't the economic literature largely show due to factors related to monopsony that the increase of the minimum wage to $15 an hour, or 60% of the median wage.

https://twitter.com/arindube/status/1191319006088769536

https://noahpinion.substack.com/p/why-15-minimum-wage-is-pretty-safe

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

$15 nationwide is a bunkers policy, unless that level is reached at, say, 2030 maybe?

[DrScholl]

It's amazing how anti-minimum wage the party of the working class is.

[politics_king]

https://livingwage.mit.edu/counties/48113


This is why the 15 dollar min wage push is dumb, the whole nation is not California or NY , and if you look at San Fran that number is over 20 dollars !!! while in places like Tulsa County its less than 11 bucks an hour

Your point? God forbid people make more than a living wage and *gasp* invest it into a home or business with possible money they can save. GOP supporters are so inept.

[OSR stands with Israel]

It's amazing how anti-minimum wage the party of the working class is.

Being pro-small business and opposing policies that would cause job losses in many areas of the country is being for the working class

[politics_king]

It's amazing how anti-minimum wage the party of the working class is.

Being pro-small business and opposing policies that would cause job losses in many areas of the country is being for the working class

No the issue is overpriced brick and mortar leases, rents in general. And honestly any small business will raise the price 5 to 10 cents. Majority of people will pay that without blinking. This has always been an argument with minimum wage raises and we're doing fine.

But someone getting paid $7.25 an hour is b.s. or someone working for tips is getting $2.13/hr and no tip... Working for free. It's time to step up and fight for working people. As for someone who owns a small business, we have to protect them in ways too.

I will use a GOP talking point, personal and fiscal responsibility right? You want to own a business, do your homework. But we should help small business if a $15/hr min wage will really hurt them. Figure out how we can infuse money to them like the PPP loans have done for certain spots to help them keep going.

[TheReckoning]

https://livingwage.mit.edu/counties/48113


This is why the 15 dollar min wage push is dumb, the whole nation is not California or NY , and if you look at San Fran that number is over 20 dollars !!! while in places like Tulsa County its less than 11 bucks an hour

Your point? God forbid people make more than a living wage and *gasp* invest it into a home or business with possible money they can save. GOP supporters are so inept.

If you want a job that provides more than the bare minimum, get a better job.

Don’t make the state force you’re employer to pay a wage which is unreasonably high.

[Former President tack50]

I don't know about the US, but at least in Europe the recommendation by the EU is to have a minimum wage set at 60% of the median wage. For the US the median wage for full time workers was $865 in 2017 (not sure if it has changed much over the past 4 years), which equates to 21.6$ an hour for a 40 hour workweek. 60% of that would be 13$.

Given that is 2017 data, and that the mimimum wage would be increased gradually over a period of 4 years or so, 15$ an hour is reasonable, but on the upper limit of the reasonable area. It can go to 15$, but the federal minimum wage should not be increased beyond that (other than inflation adjustments)

The minimum wage in Spain is only 8.6$ when adjusted for PPP. People in Spain seem to be doing just fine.

I mean, literally one of the first things PM Pedro Sanchez did when coming into power was to raise the minimum wage, I don't get your point?

The government's objective was to raise the minimum wage to 1200€ a month (which equates to somewhere around 6.8€ an hour). That would be slightly above the 60% threshold the EU recommends (which for Spain in 2019 would have been a minimum wage of 1142€/month) but not by that much.

You can definitely live anywhere in the country with a 1200€ salary, but there were large amounts of the country where 850€ (the minimum wage before Sanchez came into power) is not a livable wage

As for the effect in unemployment, job growth during the Sanchez term (before COVID) did slow down slightly compared to the final Rajoy years, although unemployment did keep going down.

[lfromnj]

I don't know about the US, but at least in Europe the recommendation by the EU is to have a minimum wage set at 60% of the median wage. For the US the median wage for full time workers was $865 in 2017 (not sure if it has changed much over the past 4 years), which equates to 21.6$ an hour for a 40 hour workweek. 60% of that would be 13$.

Given that is 2017 data, and that the mimimum wage would be increased gradually over a period of 4 years or so, 15$ an hour is reasonable, but on the upper limit of the reasonable area. It can go to 15$, but the federal minimum wage should not be increased beyond that (other than inflation adjustments)

Automatic inflation adjustments are dumb in the scenario where we hit stagflation where the GDP growth is bad,high unemployment, but also high inflation.

[politics_king]

https://livingwage.mit.edu/counties/48113


This is why the 15 dollar min wage push is dumb, the whole nation is not California or NY , and if you look at San Fran that number is over 20 dollars !!! while in places like Tulsa County its less than 11 bucks an hour

Your point? God forbid people make more than a living wage and *gasp* invest it into a home or business with possible money they can save. GOP supporters are so inept.

If you want a job that provides more than the bare minimum, get a better job.

Don’t make the state force you’re employer to pay a wage which is unreasonably high.

OMG. That statement is so ignorant and another GOP talking point. A lot of people don't have that option and a lot of these service working jobs, retail, etc. They're much more labor intensive then being a desk jockey/paper pusher. Reganomics is over, trickle down is a total failure and scam. If it wasn't, you wouldn't need to make a living wage law. But hey, do you.

[Former President tack50]

I don't know about the US, but at least in Europe the recommendation by the EU is to have a minimum wage set at 60% of the median wage. For the US the median wage for full time workers was $865 in 2017 (not sure if it has changed much over the past 4 years), which equates to 21.6$ an hour for a 40 hour workweek. 60% of that would be 13$.

Given that is 2017 data, and that the mimimum wage would be increased gradually over a period of 4 years or so, 15$ an hour is reasonable, but on the upper limit of the reasonable area. It can go to 15$, but the federal minimum wage should not be increased beyond that (other than inflation adjustments)

Automatic inflation adjustments are dumb in the scenario where we hit stagflation where the GDP growth is bad,high unemployment, but also high inflation.

Stagflation hasn't really been a thing since what, the 1970s?

Still, fair point; but that could easily be solved by saying that the minimum wage can only increase if both GDP growth and inflation are positive over the past year?

If anything the scenario where I could see automatic inflation adjustments causing trouble is in the case of deflation, but you could also just legislate that if deflation happens, the minimum wage stays frozen, but also can't increase until the amount the minimum wage would have been at surpasses the current one or something along those lines

[TheReckoning]

https://livingwage.mit.edu/counties/48113


This is why the 15 dollar min wage push is dumb, the whole nation is not California or NY , and if you look at San Fran that number is over 20 dollars !!! while in places like Tulsa County its less than 11 bucks an hour

Your point? God forbid people make more than a living wage and *gasp* invest it into a home or business with possible money they can save. GOP supporters are so inept.

If you want a job that provides more than the bare minimum, get a better job.

Don’t make the state force you’re employer to pay a wage which is unreasonably high.

OMG. That statement is so ignorant and another GOP talking point. A lot of people don't have that option and a lot of these service working jobs, retail, etc. They're much more labor intensive then being a desk jockey/paper pusher. Reganomics is over, trickle down is a total failure and scam. If it wasn't, you wouldn't need to make a living wage law. But hey, do you.

Not everyone can live in a mansion, dude, and it’s not the responsibility of others to take up that slack.

[DrScholl]

It's amazing how anti-minimum wage the party of the working class is.

Being pro-small business and opposing policies that would cause job losses in many areas of the country is being for the working class

No, it's not. You are for low wages to save wealthy employers money at the expense of low income workers.

https://livingwage.mit.edu/counties/48113


This is why the 15 dollar min wage push is dumb, the whole nation is not California or NY , and if you look at San Fran that number is over 20 dollars !!! while in places like Tulsa County its less than 11 bucks an hour

Your point? God forbid people make more than a living wage and *gasp* invest it into a home or business with possible money they can save. GOP supporters are so inept.

If you want a job that provides more than the bare minimum, get a better job.

Don’t make the state force you’re employer to pay a wage which is unreasonably high.

Your ignorance is stunning.