OH-Sen 2022: So you’re telling me there’s a chance

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The chance Tim Ryan wins, no matter the R nominee, is exactly 0. Not sure why we are kidding ourselves here.

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Mandel is a grifter who shallowly offers praises of Trump and hardline platitudes to cover his own lack of ideological convictions. Vance is actually ideological and offers his own brand of paternalistic conservatism. It's clear through articles and online rhetoric who the left is laughing at, and who the left actually sees as a threat.

In regards to who will win the primary, it's clear through polling that Vance is making up for his initial lack of name recognition compared to Mandel.

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Mandel is a grifter who shallowly offers praises of Trump and hardline platitudes to cover his own lack of ideological convictions. Vance is actually ideological and offers his own brand of paternalistic conservatism. It's clear through articles and online rhetoric who the left is laughing at, and who the left actually sees as a threat.

In regards to who will win the primary, it's clear through polling that Vance is making up for his initial lack of name recognition compared to Mandel.

In what universe does Vance have ideological convictions?

This one.

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I actually think Mandel is seriously misreading the Republican electorate if he thinks this is the stuff he needs to go all in with excessive, performative, and hilariously unnatural-sounding/insincere pandering. It’s like he just read a transcript of Pat Buchanan's 1992 RNC speech and thought "yes, Pat Buchanan talked about culture wars, and culture wars are what propelled Trump to the presidency, so this is what my party's base wants to hear in the year 2022."

He’s just not very good at this, and I’m even less confident about him winning the R primary now. I mean, "Judeo-Christian values"? Seriously?

Vance is the most similar to Pat Buchanan ideologically, he even shouted out his book at one of the candidate forums.

Mandel's rhetoric seems too dumb to be taken from a Buchanan speech or anything like it. The more apparent inspiration seems to be Trump's tweets.

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I actually think Mandel is seriously misreading the Republican electorate if he thinks this is the stuff he needs to go all in with excessive, performative, and hilariously unnatural-sounding/insincere pandering. It’s like he just read a transcript of Pat Buchanan's 1992 RNC speech and thought "yes, Pat Buchanan talked about culture wars, and culture wars are what propelled Trump to the presidency, so this is what my party's base wants to hear in the year 2022."

He’s just not very good at this, and I’m even less confident about him winning the R primary now. I mean, "Judeo-Christian values"? Seriously?

Vance is the most similar to Pat Buchanan ideologically, he even shouted out his book at one of the candidate forums.

Mandel's rhetoric seems too dumb to be taken from a Buchanan speech or anything like it. The more apparent inspiration seems to be Trump's tweets.

Pat was way to the right of Vance on economic issues. Buchanan accused HW of being too left wing on economics

On what issues do they divert? They are both protectionist on trade, acknowledging the left wing social influence of corporations and universities, and supporting of blue collar jobs/manufacturing. Vance himself isn't that left of the median on economic issues.

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I still think Vance will pull it off, but it might be wishful thinking.
Trump said he will endorse someone in this race and I have a strong feeling it'll be Timken.

Honestly I think he'll endorse Mike Gibbons. I don't think he likes Mandel (probably sees him as a fraud with the pictures of him and Bill Kristol and John Kasich), and he probably likes Vance but is concerned about his loyalty and maybe thinks some of his economic views could scare off the base due to socialism fears.

Trump's thought process is not nearly this complex. His staffers' influence directs most of his endorsements (Trump essentially just rubber-stamps them), and his staffers tend to be in the Timken/Mandel camps.

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Something to consider is that Vance has spent very little of his $10,000,000+ warchest, and he's still in second place according to the only independent poll conducted.

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Vance raises 1 mil+ in Q4, 90% of which from small dollar donors.
https://twitter.com/JDVancePress/status/1481379338444587008?s=20

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Mandel is not leading by that much in polling and most of the other candidates are catching up. I have no idea why you think he has a lock on the nomination.

Because he's like the perfect representation of what the GOP base wants, and Vance is a complete phony.

Vance is actually not a phony.

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Mandel is not leading by that much in polling and most of the other candidates are catching up. I have no idea why you think he has a lock on the nomination.

Because he's like the perfect representation of what the GOP base wants, and Vance is a complete phony.

Vance is actually not a phony.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/jd-vance-deleted-his-anti-trump-tweets-he-forgot-his-likes

Changing opinions over the course of 5 years doesn't make one fake. Try again.

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Tim Ryan was tied with JD Vance I hope he wins the primary, this race is gonna be very close, neither Mandel and Vance are Rob Portman

The chance of Vance or Mandel losing the general election is exactly 0.

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That probably means something; Portman won by 21 points in 2016.

Do you know what the last poll in this race was  Mandel tied with Ryan 38/38 Mandel isn't winning by 21 pts FL, NC and OH are gonna be close because when the votes are counted Biden isn't gonna be at 41% Approval it's a CONGRESS cycle, Prez Approvals don't mean much in Congress in 2o18 Trump with 4% unemployment held onto the Senate

I am not buying Biden 41% Approvals anyways until votes are counting

If Timken wins the Primary on the back of her recent Endorsements that is CHEKMATE when it comes to the Ohio Senate Race. Ryan has no chance against Timken.

Ryan has no chance against any Republican candidate. It's 2022, get your head out of the sand.

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Bold of Timken on run on being a woman in a party that is increasingly male/masculine. It could work in such a divided field.

Nobody is attracted to a campaign because of the gender of the candidate, especially in the GOP, in fact it probably turns people away. They want someone who focuses on the issues they are concerned about, and not one who boasts about how much of a girlboss she is.

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Apparently Trump plans to endorse in the OH-SEN primary.

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FreedomWorks did a straw poll of the debate attendees after it finished. Here are the results:

Vance - 43.1%
Timken - 20.7%
Gibbons - 16.1%
Dolan - 12.3%
Mandel - 4.6%
Other - 3.3%

https://www.freedomworks.org/content/freedomworks-releases-ohio-senate-candidate-straw-poll-results

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This is so dumb
https://mobile.twitter.com/JDVance1/status/1513241867726512133?cxt=HHwWioCzkcLdj...

Where's the lie?

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Well, maybe the Vance endorsement won’t happen after all??

https://twitter.com/marcacaputo/status/1514671343052242951?s=21&t=NKD_WMUYLZ...

This is a desperate ploy and won't work.

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I don’t know whether Trump is just stupid, has useless advisers, or just naturally gravitates to other frauds. Vance is the most likely to lose a GE & the most likely to be disloyal should they both be in office together. Mandel, Timken actually believe in Trumpist lunacy, and Gibbons is a Rand Paul type who will go along with the isolationist stuff. Vance quite plainly believes in nothing, he’s like Lindsey Graham. There is literally no upside to this for Trump.

You clearly have very little knowledge about Vance or Ohio politics in general. Let me educate you briefly.

1. The Ohio senate race in the general election in Safe R. Not only is the state GOP by about 10 points generally, but it's a red wave midterm year. Whoever wins the GOP primary will win the general.

2. Vance is not the weakest candidate in the race. That quite easily goes to Mandel, who is well known for being fake and a fraud, in addition to being totally unserious. I can see why Timken or Gibbons might do better than Vance in a GE, but he's still not the weakest candidate.

3. Vance is very ideological, and more so than any other candidate in the race. While he may have joined it in the last 5 years, he really does hold a firm set of ideological convictions that fall under the National Conservative and Paleoconservative label. There's a reason why he is the favorite of ideologically driven right-wing institutions like Claremont, American Moment, and the American Conservative magazine, and why people like Tucker Carlson and Peter Thiel (who is very ideological himself and a known member of the National Conservative wing of the party) backed him very early on. Vance holds a very genuine ideology of paternalistic conservatism which is a far cry from the canned talking points and plastic nature of his opponents. There isn't a fake bone in his body, and even though he has drifted to where he is now over the past 5 years, it was a genuine shift and not driven out of political conformity. His conversion to Catholicism which occurred concurrently proves this.

Nevertheless, I am overjoyed that Vance received Trump's endorsement, and i'm enjoying the cope from left wingers and establishment Republicans alike.

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I don’t know whether Trump is just stupid, has useless advisers, or just naturally gravitates to other frauds. Vance is the most likely to lose a GE & the most likely to be disloyal should they both be in office together. Mandel, Timken actually believe in Trumpist lunacy, and Gibbons is a Rand Paul type who will go along with the isolationist stuff. Vance quite plainly believes in nothing, he’s like Lindsey Graham. There is literally no upside to this for Trump.

You clearly have very little knowledge about Vance or Ohio politics in general. Let me educate you briefly.

1. The Ohio senate race in the general election in Safe R. Not only is the state GOP by about 10 points generally, but it's a red wave midterm year. Whoever wins the GOP primary will win the general.

2. Vance is not the weakest candidate in the race. That quite easily goes to Mandel, who is well known for being fake and a fraud, in addition to being totally unserious. I can see why Timken or Gibbons might do better than Vance in a GE, but he's still not the weakest candidate.

3. Vance is very ideological, and more so than any other candidate in the race. While he may have joined it in the last 5 years, he really does hold a firm set of ideological convictions that fall under the National Conservative and Paleoconservative label. There's a reason why he is the favorite of ideologically driven right-wing institutions like Claremont, American Moment, and the American Conservative magazine, and why people like Tucker Carlson and Peter Thiel (who is very ideological himself and a known member of the National Conservative wing of the party) backed him very early on. Vance holds a very genuine ideology of paternalistic conservatism which is a far cry from the canned talking points and plastic nature of his opponents. There isn't a fake bone in his body, and even though he has drifted to where he is now over the past 5 years, it was a genuine shift and not driven out of political conformity. His conversion to Catholicism which occurred concurrently proves this.

Nevertheless, I am overjoyed that Vance received Trump's endorsement, and i'm enjoying the cope from left wingers and establishment Republicans alike.

If you think Vance (and Thiel) care about anything besides their bank accounts I pity you.

If you think Vance, who left his cushy position of influence in DC to run for senate to much scrutiny in his home state, is driven by financial gain... I actually pity YOU.

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I don’t know whether Trump is just stupid, has useless advisers, or just naturally gravitates to other frauds. Vance is the most likely to lose a GE & the most likely to be disloyal should they both be in office together. Mandel, Timken actually believe in Trumpist lunacy, and Gibbons is a Rand Paul type who will go along with the isolationist stuff. Vance quite plainly believes in nothing, he’s like Lindsey Graham. There is literally no upside to this for Trump.

You clearly have very little knowledge about Vance or Ohio politics in general. Let me educate you briefly.

1. The Ohio senate race in the general election in Safe R. Not only is the state GOP by about 10 points generally, but it's a red wave midterm year. Whoever wins the GOP primary will win the general.

2. Vance is not the weakest candidate in the race. That quite easily goes to Mandel, who is well known for being fake and a fraud, in addition to being totally unserious. I can see why Timken or Gibbons might do better than Vance in a GE, but he's still not the weakest candidate.

3. Vance is very ideological, and more so than any other candidate in the race. While he may have joined it in the last 5 years, he really does hold a firm set of ideological convictions that fall under the National Conservative and Paleoconservative label. There's a reason why he is the favorite of ideologically driven right-wing institutions like Claremont, American Moment, and the American Conservative magazine, and why people like Tucker Carlson and Peter Thiel (who is very ideological himself and a known member of the National Conservative wing of the party) backed him very early on. Vance holds a very genuine ideology of paternalistic conservatism which is a far cry from the canned talking points and plastic nature of his opponents. There isn't a fake bone in his body, and even though he has drifted to where he is now over the past 5 years, it was a genuine shift and not driven out of political conformity. His conversion to Catholicism which occurred concurrently proves this.

Nevertheless, I am overjoyed that Vance received Trump's endorsement, and i'm enjoying the cope from left wingers and establishment Republicans alike.

If you think Vance (and Thiel) care about anything besides their bank accounts I pity you.

If you think Vance, who left his cushy position of influence in DC to run for senate to much scrutiny in his home state, is driven by financial gain... I actually pity YOU.

He’s not just driven by greed. He thinks the entire world should be subjected to arbitrary and grueling competition, especially the most downtrodden and disadvantaged. He also believes he is owed this senate seat because he believes the strong should dominate the weak, as you can read in his truly blasphemous and profane autobiography. And because he believes this, he also is happy to do the bidding of the powerful men who own him like Peter Thiel, and now apparently Donald Trump.

I want whatever MSNBC talking point pills you're smoking

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Ohio-senate is solid R with any Republican nominee not named Josh Mandel. Stop kidding yourselves.

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Bruh:

https://twitter.com/JoshforGeorgia/status/1516093390378741763?s=20&t=alCAp0I...

Pretty smart of Vance's old roommate to wait until after trump endorsed Vance to release these texts. His primary rivals can weaponize them against him, and if he still makes it to the general, a smart Tim Ryan campaign or a smart dem super pac can weaponize them to depress base republican turnout. I smell a bloody home stretch to this primary. Hopefully Vance gets seriously wounded.

Vance is winning the primary by more than 10 points.

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A good read on the plot to turn the US into USSR and big money potentially flowing into cultural commentators who used to be leftists but are now conveniently fascists. As Vance states, the GOP will need to get “pretty wild,” which means nothing should be left to the imagination if you’re a student of history, fascists, and authoritarians: coups, genocide, etc.

“I think Trump is going to run again in 2024,” he said. “I think that what Trump should do, if I was giving him one piece of advice: Fire every single midlevel bureaucrat, every civil servant in the administrative state, replace them with our people.”

“And when the courts stop you,” he went on, “stand before the country, and say—” he quoted Andrew Jackson, giving a challenge to the entire constitutional order—“the chief justice has made his ruling. Now let him enforce it.”

This is a description, essentially, of a coup.

“We are in a late republican period,” Vance said later, evoking the common New Right view of America as Rome awaiting its Caesar. “If we’re going to push back against it, we’re going to have to get pretty wild, and pretty far out there, and go in directions that a lot of conservatives right now are uncomfortable with.”

Any sane person should not be voting for these people. The cynic in me knows voting is not the way to stop these folks, as we have seen, since authoritarians by nature are unafraid to use force. The Justice Dept has failed us.

I read the article and agree 100% with the Thielites.

Also from extensive reading about Vance and his political transformation, his change of mind regarding Trump seems 100% genuine, meaning he will probably not just become a generic R in the Senate like some predicted.

He will be exactly who his donors want him to be

Peter Thiel is super based so I sure hope so.

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A good read on the plot to turn the US into USSR and big money potentially flowing into cultural commentators who used to be leftists but are now conveniently fascists. As Vance states, the GOP will need to get “pretty wild,” which means nothing should be left to the imagination if you’re a student of history, fascists, and authoritarians: coups, genocide, etc.

“I think Trump is going to run again in 2024,” he said. “I think that what Trump should do, if I was giving him one piece of advice: Fire every single midlevel bureaucrat, every civil servant in the administrative state, replace them with our people.”

“And when the courts stop you,” he went on, “stand before the country, and say—” he quoted Andrew Jackson, giving a challenge to the entire constitutional order—“the chief justice has made his ruling. Now let him enforce it.”

This is a description, essentially, of a coup.

“We are in a late republican period,” Vance said later, evoking the common New Right view of America as Rome awaiting its Caesar. “If we’re going to push back against it, we’re going to have to get pretty wild, and pretty far out there, and go in directions that a lot of conservatives right now are uncomfortable with.”

Any sane person should not be voting for these people. The cynic in me knows voting is not the way to stop these folks, as we have seen, since authoritarians by nature are unafraid to use force. The Justice Dept has failed us.

I read the article and agree 100% with the Thielites.

Also from extensive reading about Vance and his political transformation, his change of mind regarding Trump seems 100% genuine, meaning he will probably not just become a generic R in the Senate like some predicted.

He will be exactly who his donors want him to be

Peter Thiel is super based so I sure hope so.

Thiel should be our next Sec of Treasury under Trump.

Under President Carlson*