North Korea "concerned about human rights in Australia", said UN representative

[MoreThanPolitics]

https://twitter.com/UNWatch/status/1352034266679533568

Your reminder that China is part of the UN's Human Rights Council. The whole organization is such a f**king joke.

[CumbrianLefty]

But what would you have instead of the UN?

(please don't say some sort of organisation that only "nice" countries can join)

[njwes]

But what would you have instead of the UN?

(please don't say some sort of organisation that only "nice" countries can join)

There's no reason that we have to have the UN at all, as it is simply far less important and much less efficacious than many on the left (and even center sadly) seem to blindly believe.

Or how about this: the UN as it is currently set up, but with the most embarrassing and plainly counterproductive parts removed. Like, it's very hard for me to believe that any serious-thinking, politically-interested person could see, e.g., UNHRC and UNHCR as anything but deeply embarrassing and pernicious bodies that heavily taint the entire institution.

[2952-0-0]

Or how about this: the UN as it is currently set up, but with the most embarrassing and plainly counterproductive parts removed. Like, it's very hard for me to believe that any serious-thinking, politically-interested person could see, e.g., UNHRC and UNHCR as anything but deeply embarrassing and pernicious bodies that heavily taint the entire institution.

If that's the case, maybe the US should, instead of walking away like a sore loser, actively participate at these UN agencies and marshall its allies to more loudly condemn the likes of North Korea and China.

[dead0man]

If you think the UN is a good idea and support human rights you should be embarrassed by the UNHRC.  Most pro UN people just make excuses for it or blame the US/the West though.  It's easier than admitting certain inconvenient truths.

[Yeahsayyeah]

The point is, that they aren't exactly wrong, but if you are one of the most harsh dictatorships in the world you are clearly not the right messenger for this.

[Velasco]

I think you are exaggerating a bit. Certainly it's embarrasing to see North Korea stating concern about human rights in other countries, bit that's not the statement of the UNHRC

https://twitter.com/UN_HRC/status/1351844099259838464?s=09

[Velasco]

There are UN reports concerning North Korea, in case you are curious to know

https://www.ohchr.org/en/hrbodies/hrc/coidprk/pages/commissioninquiryonhrindprk.aspx

The United Nations Human Rights Council has established a Commission of Inquiry (COI) to investigate systematic, widespread and grave violations of human rights in the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea.

[CumbrianLefty]

There are UN reports concerning North Korea, in case you are curious to know

https://www.ohchr.org/en/hrbodies/hrc/coidprk/pages/commissioninquiryonhrindprk.aspx

The United Nations Human Rights Council has established a Commission of Inquiry (COI) to investigate systematic, widespread and grave violations of human rights in the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea.

Well that is (genuinely) nice to know.

[It’s so Joever]

Once again a matter of countries acting in their own interest. News at eleven.

[Meclazine for Israel]

As long as they don't point their nuclear weapons at us, they can think and say whatever they like.

[Velasco]

There are UN reports concerning North Korea, in case you are curious to know

https://www.ohchr.org/en/hrbodies/hrc/coidprk/pages/commissioninquiryonhrindprk.aspx

The United Nations Human Rights Council has established a Commission of Inquiry (COI) to investigate systematic, widespread and grave violations of human rights in the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea.

Well that is (genuinely) nice to know.

It'd be nicer that the UNHCR was properly funded, ln order to develop its work better

https://www.unhcr.org/underfunding-2020/

UNHCR is mandated to provide protection, assistance and solutions for refugees, asylum-seekers, returnees, stateless persons, internally displaced people and others of concern to the Office, of whom there were 86.5 million at the end of 2019.

(...)

The COVID-19 crisis has exacerbated the already dire humanitarian needs globally, particularly in low and middle-income countries, which currently host more than 85% of the world’s refugees. The pandemic is destabilizing entire sectors of the economy, with millions depending on fragile incomes that are now at risk. More generally, violence, persecution and civil strife continue to uproot millions. Few conflicts have abated in recent months, while some, such as in the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Libya, the Sahel and the Syrian Arab Republic, have gotten worse. Driven in part by the effects of the pandemic on livelihoods, gender inequality and gender-based violence have increased, internal displacement has been exacerbated, and freedom of movement and access to asylum reduced.

(...)

 The effects of this underfunding are felt across the range of UNHCR’s activities and around the world. Ten situations—the primary subject of this report—are particularly affected

(...)

The "ten situations" are: South Sudan, Democratic Republic of Congo,  Somalia, Central African Republic,  Iraq, Burundi, Syria, Afghanistan, Venezuels and the Central Mediterranean Route

The reactionaries who want to abolish supra-national institutions simply don't care about humanitarian disasters, because they only believe in the Law of the Jungle. Despite many problems and malfunctions, the UN agencies play a role in alleviating these situations that cannot be replaced

[CumbrianLefty]

The reactionaries who want to abolish supra-national institutions simply don't care about humanitarian disasters, because they only believe in the Law of the Jungle. Despite many problems and malfunctions, the UN agencies play a role in alleviating these situations that cannot be replaced

Yep, "might is right" is their motivating principle.

[Samof94]

That’s like complaining that Batman is flawed when you’re the Joker.

[StateBoiler]

There are UN reports concerning North Korea, in case you are curious to know

https://www.ohchr.org/en/hrbodies/hrc/coidprk/pages/commissioninquiryonhrindprk.aspx

The United Nations Human Rights Council has established a Commission of Inquiry (COI) to investigate systematic, widespread and grave violations of human rights in the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea.

It's been eight years. Are they done inquiring? Has a report been published or how far along are they on publishing it?

[Velasco]

There are UN reports concerning North Korea, in case you are curious to know

https://www.ohchr.org/en/hrbodies/hrc/coidprk/pages/commissioninquiryonhrindprk.aspx

The United Nations Human Rights Council has established a Commission of Inquiry (COI) to investigate systematic, widespread and grave violations of human rights in the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea.

It's been eight years. Are they done inquiring?

You are badly informed



https://news.un.org/en/story/2020/07/1069131

  28 July 2020
Human Rights
Women forcibly returned to the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea (DPRK) are subjected to torture, ill treatment, sexual abuse, and other violations, according to a report published on Tuesday by the UN Human Rights office.   

You should have used Google to find an answer to your ill-intentioned question

I doubt very much that reactionaries who don't care about humanitarian crises, advocating the abolishment of the UN agencies, have a real concern about human rights anywhere in the world

[StateBoiler]

There are UN reports concerning North Korea, in case you are curious to know

https://www.ohchr.org/en/hrbodies/hrc/coidprk/pages/commissioninquiryonhrindprk.aspx

The United Nations Human Rights Council has established a Commission of Inquiry (COI) to investigate systematic, widespread and grave violations of human rights in the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea.

It's been eight years. Are they done inquiring?

You are badly informed



https://news.un.org/en/story/2020/07/1069131

 28 July 2020
Human Rights
Women forcibly returned to the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea (DPRK) are subjected to torture, ill treatment, sexual abuse, and other violations, according to a [report published on Tuesday by the UN Human Rights office.  

So we have the report. The inquiry started 2 months into Obama's second term and finished when Trump was running for reelection against Obama's then Vice President. That's 7 years, 4 months. What was done with the report? What did the United Nations Secretariat, Human Rights Council, or the General Assembly decide to do with this information? What specific parts of the United Nations Charter were violated? Was action taken against the People's Republic of Korea for violating said parts of the Charter? Were they kicked off the Human Rights Council for a UN-commissioned inquiry into the state commented on human rights abuses? When was the vote held on all this, either in the General Assembly, the Human Rights Council, or the Security Council? How did everyone vote?

Why does the Trusteeship Council still exist when all trusts are expended? Why does the Military Staff Committee exist and meet every 2 weeks when it has been effectively inactive since 1948? Where in the world is Benon Sevan? Why has the membership of the Security Council not been updated to change the Soviet Union member to the Russian Federation or to clarify "China" seeing as the state representing China in the 1970s was switched but the paperwork never updated? Why has little from Kofi Annan's book "In Larger Freedom" on reforming the United Nations been looked at, considered, and if the General Assembly approves, implemented? Why is Ban Ki-Moon considered such a disappointment by people that believe in the United Nations as an entity? https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/20/opinion/sunday/i-love-the-un-but-it-is-failing.html

My favorite UN thing I learned about is there is a United Nations Office for Outer Space Affairs. It is based in Vienna.

[Velasco]

So we have the report. The inquiry started 2 months into Obama's second term and finished when Trump was running for reelection against Obama's then Vice President. That's 7 years, 4 months.

What? This report was published in July 2020

https://www.ohchr.org/Documents/Countries/KP/HR_Violations_against_Women_DPRK_EN.pdf

 This report is based on various sources of information, including in-depth interviews conducted by OHCHR with over 100 women who were subjected to forced repatriation and subsequent detention in the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea from 2009 to 2019. These are women who had eventually managed  to  escape  and  whom  OHCHR  interviewed  outside  of  the  Democratic  People’s  Republic  of  Korea. OHCHR also obtained information from former officials of the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea who left the country, as well as organizations and individuals working with women from the Democratic  People’s  Republic  of  Korea  who  have  settled  in  the  Republic  of  Korea.  In  addition,  the  analysis draws from publicly available information such as reports from institutes, think tanks and non-governmental  organizations.8  OHCHR  has  assessed  the  information  collected  for  its  compliance  with  the Democratic Republic of Korea’s national legal framework and international human rights standards, including the Mandela and Bangkok Rules

Were they kicked off the Human Rights Council?

Have you checked the composition of the Human Rights Council? I'm looking for the Asia-Pacific members and see a "Republic of Korea", but possibly this is the country located in the southern part of the Korean peninsula. Actually the DPRK does not appear in the list of 117 countries serving between 2006 and 2020

https://www.ohchr.org/en/hrbodies/hrc/pages/membership.aspx

To be honest, I didn't notice before but the OP must be fake news.

The author should apopogize, imo

[Senator Spark]

https://twitter.com/UNWatch/status/1352034266679533568

Your reminder that China is part of the UN's Human Rights Council. The whole organization is such a f**king joke.

How hypocritical.

[jaymichaud]

Didn't China do the same not too long ago? Clown show

[The Simpsons Cinematic Universe]

North Korea has got a LOTTA problems. But any thread on a site like this is going to miss the genuinely interesting point raised by this kind of thing: when "human rights" has been effectively ideologically weaponized by the Atlanticist geopolitical bloc, it is no longer a simple task to get most of the world to take it seriously whatsoever. Human rights in international law were formulated as a sort of objective thing which we all have some duty towards, but that is no longer the perception, and it's reach the point "human rights defenders" are basically all viewed with suspicion as just being CIA assets in huge parts of the world. The disturbing thing is that some of them are, but all of them deal with the consequences of this situation. Don't mistake for for some blind equivalence of the human rights situations in NK and Australia, but mind that this is a happening between governments - and, at a fundamental level, these governments view human rights accusations in precisely the same way - which is to say, as a geopolitical tool, and not an authentic instrument of justice.

[GALeftist]

For the record not a tankie, and the comical hypocrisy here is obvious, but that hypocrisy doesn't necessarily make the UNHRC wrong in its assessment. It might be, I don't know, but you can't prove that one way or the other by shouting hypocrisy, since, true or not, it's still just a tu quoque fallacy.

[John Dule]

North Korea has got a LOTTA problems. But

The battle cry of the basement socialist.

[CumbrianLefty]

North Korea has got a LOTTA problems. But

The battle cry of the basement socialist.

In this instance, its not a terribly big "but"?

[Samof94]

North Korea has got a LOTTA problems. But any thread on a site like this is going to miss the genuinely interesting point raised by this kind of thing: when "human rights" has been effectively ideologically weaponized by the Atlanticist geopolitical bloc, it is no longer a simple task to get most of the world to take it seriously whatsoever. Human rights in international law were formulated as a sort of objective thing which we all have some duty towards, but that is no longer the perception, and it's reach the point "human rights defenders" are basically all viewed with suspicion as just being CIA assets in huge parts of the world. The disturbing thing is that some of them are, but all of them deal with the consequences of this situation. Don't mistake for for some blind equivalence of the human rights situations in NK and Australia, but mind that this is a happening between governments - and, at a fundamental level, these governments view human rights accusations in precisely the same way - which is to say, as a geopolitical tool, and not an authentic instrument of justice.

Don’t they see non Korean people as racially degenerate???