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« Reply #50 on: April 14, 2021, 07:26:34 AM »

Dissident right-wing Green faction now up and running as IGP, already have candidate for 2024. Includes such controversial figures like Cynthia McKinney and David Rolde. The link provided shows recent anti-Semitic and Vaccine denialist antics they’ve recently posted.

In the article they have said that there are “Communists” in this party, something I doubt given that the aforementioned members are apart of the right and the Green Party has no history with Communist entryists.

While they’ll be irrelevant and most likely dissipate into the wind by 2023 the latest, indeed most likely their chances of getting ballot access will be in Alaska, the main reason I posted this is to show what the current Green Party ideological slant is now leaning towards the Left and to document what becomes of the splinters.

The Green Party on April 6th elected their first mayor in Illinois. Mainly it seems like ticket splitting between this three-way race made him win. Either way, Illinois is a state where I’m surprised hasn’t seen more attempts at local and statewide races given the safe D lean in urban areas ripe to be taken advantage of in their dissatisfaction and easy ballot access laws. Outside of Willie Wilson pouring immense amount of money for his vanity campaigns, no other serious attempts statewide were done since 2010 and it’s not like national third parties make inroads here locally.

ASP got .5% in a special election in Wisconsin, in a 4-way race between the duopoly and a perennial “Trump Conservative”. There’s also this race

Libertarians won a council seat in the city of Alva in Oklahoma. Given the fact that the Democratic brand is incredibly toxic in the plain states, I expect further gains there along with the mention of Indiana as indicated by Stateboiler.

Plains states and Mountain states. And Alaska. It's where they should focus if I was in charge of national strategy.

Attended the Libertarian Party of Indiana Convention a couple weekends ago. So there's 138 elections in 2022 that involves the state party - 100 State House, 25 State Senate, 9 Congress, Senator, and 3 statewide constitutional offices. The plan for 2021 is to organize the party in all 92 counties. We've gone from 25 at start of year to 44 as of end of March. The plan for 2022 is to have candidates in all 138 of those races, and right now they already have more than a hundred vetted.
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« Reply #51 on: April 14, 2021, 08:27:47 AM »

With the inauguration of a new president comes a new thread to serve as a space for future discussions of where the third party scene is heading for the next 4 years. This thread is free to serve as a space for a variety of discussion relating to such topics. The emergence and growth of new parties and perennial personalities, ballot access changes, and election predictions.

The parties and personalities listed here are in a dynamic list subject to change, but have an active national or regional presence. Do note that it is topical to talk about other parties not listed here. Due to instances where there is electoral fusionism, the list below will not include exclusively entryist and/or factional pressure groups such as the DSA, Working Families Party, Conservative Party, etc. However, this could be subject to change and discussion on these parties are acceptable in this thread.

Please be respectful for the most part; no inane thread hijackings over partisan squabbles, no whining about lesser evilism, no undeserved blaming over a party being a spoiler without sufficient evidence. If not, above all else keep it brief. Another thing I’d like to be avoided is the splintering of discussion without reason to. I still maintain that there was no reason to have an entire thread dedicated to Kanye West at that time given that it was not relevant to do so as far as the election was concerned. Now, while there is now a thread on USGD dedicated to the Libertarian Party, discussion may also happen there as well as here.

Well I expect the next four years to be eventful

Considering their historical bad showing in 2020, you would think that the Libs and Greens would just dissolve their parties. They never had a chance to win but the whole point is to splitter votes and they failed to do so in 2020
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« Reply #52 on: April 14, 2021, 08:36:40 AM »

With the inauguration of a new president comes a new thread to serve as a space for future discussions of where the third party scene is heading for the next 4 years. This thread is free to serve as a space for a variety of discussion relating to such topics. The emergence and growth of new parties and perennial personalities, ballot access changes, and election predictions.

The parties and personalities listed here are in a dynamic list subject to change, but have an active national or regional presence. Do note that it is topical to talk about other parties not listed here. Due to instances where there is electoral fusionism, the list below will not include exclusively entryist and/or factional pressure groups such as the DSA, Working Families Party, Conservative Party, etc. However, this could be subject to change and discussion on these parties are acceptable in this thread.

Please be respectful for the most part; no inane thread hijackings over partisan squabbles, no whining about lesser evilism, no undeserved blaming over a party being a spoiler without sufficient evidence. If not, above all else keep it brief. Another thing I’d like to be avoided is the splintering of discussion without reason to. I still maintain that there was no reason to have an entire thread dedicated to Kanye West at that time given that it was not relevant to do so as far as the election was concerned. Now, while there is now a thread on USGD dedicated to the Libertarian Party, discussion may also happen there as well as here.

Well I expect the next four years to be eventful

Considering their historical bad showing in 2020, you would think that the Libs and Greens would just dissolve their parties. They never had a chance to win but the whole point is to splitter votes and they failed to do so in 2020

2020 was the 2nd-best presidential candidate performance for the Libertarians ever, behind 2016.
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« Reply #53 on: April 14, 2021, 08:55:01 AM »

Almost all third parties, except the Constitution Party, gained elected officials downballot in the 2020 cycle. I’ve explained previously that with context, the Green Party did good enough in 2020 coming out a reformed and more sturdier organization with their partnerships.

Somehow telling them to give up a nonexistent campaign of “splitting” isn’t going to change much.
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« Reply #54 on: April 14, 2021, 08:58:17 AM »
« Edited: April 14, 2021, 09:41:11 AM by StateBoiler »

Re Green Party turmoil, if you'd like a good slanted view on that but one with lots of details and occasionally history, Socratic Gadfly's blog is an excellent place.

The writer is from Texas and backed the Hawkins push to make the party one of ecosocialism, which has proven controversial in GP circles. There's some sort of like in the case of Rolde trying to be an entryist and pushing your left-wing anti-vaccine views to convert a larger group. The 2020 partial disintegration of the party as there wound up being a lot of anti-Hawkins voices. He's right on Ventura. Hunter I'm not educated enough on GP internal politics to comment.

https://socraticgadfly.blogspot.com/2021_04_04_archive.html
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« Reply #55 on: April 17, 2021, 04:30:01 AM »

Hunter was first and foremost an opportunist who went to the Green Party after being #cancelled by endorsing BDS. He was only in the party for two years and, outside of losing fair and square, would have alienated the party even further by awful campaigning. Greens dodged a bullet.

Ba’athist Rolde, Wilson, and the rest of the Conspirat@rds and National Liberals were insane and alienating to the party and public at large. The Rhode Island Greens, rich trust fund babies who were purists in not being apart of the Democrats but hated Trump, should have been kicked out for not running local candidates for ten frickin years per SG’s blog. Literal misandrists who believe heterosexual sex is rape and have positions on gender identity alienating to most left wing women are fair game to be made an example of. SM Curry’s debate performance and general time in the party was an embarrassment. All these jokes needed to have been purged for the party to be not a joke anymore, and a unifying figure hellbent on centralization needed.

In no shape or form is the Green Party even that radical or centralized under Hawkins, but these reforms were necessary to keep it alive. Hawkins brought in actual young people and Green leadership finally looks more like America. The only people complaining are the purged and those doing so under bad faith. The Ecosocialists are really the only people who actually care about the direction of the party, and under their full control they’ve revitalized local state parties and are starting to build local infrastructure the party desperately should have had a long while ago; podcasts, newsletters, even something as “Green Twitter”.

Like Libertarians who began cleaning house way back by preventing rejects in, and whom have built a consistent line even with many wings and factions, it payed off. SB, can you really say it would be best to let Objectivists and Republican rejects wreck the party? Because at some point you end up with a Pat Buchanan or Roseanne Barr who wrecks the entire thing up, killing the party or causing it to end up  encouraging unknowing college Trot parasites to enter in.

I’m not even a Green, and no way will they accept me, but by god thank these peaceniks for continuing to be their own type of weird and giving the workers movement some flicker of light.

PP now has a Florida chapter and is accepting candidates to run for office in 2022 or whatever.
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« Reply #56 on: April 19, 2021, 07:13:46 AM »

Hunter was first and foremost an opportunist who went to the Green Party after being #cancelled by endorsing BDS. He was only in the party for two years and, outside of losing fair and square, would have alienated the party even further by awful campaigning. Greens dodged a bullet.

Ba’athist Rolde, Wilson, and the rest of the Conspirat@rds and National Liberals were insane and alienating to the party and public at large. The Rhode Island Greens, rich trust fund babies who were purists in not being apart of the Democrats but hated Trump, should have been kicked out for not running local candidates for ten frickin years per SG’s blog. Literal misandrists who believe heterosexual sex is rape and have positions on gender identity alienating to most left wing women are fair game to be made an example of. SM Curry’s debate performance and general time in the party was an embarrassment. All these jokes needed to have been purged for the party to be not a joke anymore, and a unifying figure hellbent on centralization needed.

In no shape or form is the Green Party even that radical or centralized under Hawkins, but these reforms were necessary to keep it alive. Hawkins brought in actual young people and Green leadership finally looks more like America. The only people complaining are the purged and those doing so under bad faith. The Ecosocialists are really the only people who actually care about the direction of the party, and under their full control they’ve revitalized local state parties and are starting to build local infrastructure the party desperately should have had a long while ago; podcasts, newsletters, even something as “Green Twitter”.

Like Libertarians who began cleaning house way back by preventing rejects in, and whom have built a consistent line even with many wings and factions, it payed off. SB, can you really say it would be best to let Objectivists and Republican rejects wreck the party? Because at some point you end up with a Pat Buchanan or Roseanne Barr who wrecks the entire thing up, killing the party or causing it to end up  encouraging unknowing college Trot parasites to enter in.

I'm not a member of the Green Party, it's not my place to tell them how to run their internal affairs. If I were though, yes, chancers and entryists should be viewed with caution and not allowed to win. Part of doing that is having a robust enough party infrastructure and membership to fend off external threats. You can look at the two main parties where the Republicans and Democrats have proven weak at ousting external threats outside the party (Trump, Sanders).

In an ideal world, there'd be a party rule most all parties of a certain size should adopt for something like to run for an executive office (president, governor), a person has to have been a party member for 5 years (5 to ensure it's prior to the last presidential/gubernatorial cycle).
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« Reply #57 on: April 19, 2021, 02:55:41 PM »

CPUSA is thinking about making a concerted effort to run candidates again. I do wonder if this means they’ll run their own candidates for president instead of endorsing the Democratic Party like they’ve done since the 1984 presidential election.

I suppose this brings up a question I brought up previously regarding organizations that practice fusionism in the past. If indeed it looks like CPUSA might be relevant down the line, would it be ok to you all to link the campaign’s trail and link them on this thread? Should I do the same for two other organizations, DSA and WFP? I’ll let you all decide.

I agree Stateboiler, and that’s indeed the type of sentiment exemplified by the GNC in choosing Hawkins over the other candidates.
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« Reply #58 on: April 21, 2021, 06:00:50 PM »
« Edited: April 21, 2021, 06:32:57 PM by PSOL »

Legal Marijuana Now will most likely be on the ballot in Nebraska after they resubmit the validated signatures.

The Railroad Workers United has endorsed the People’s Party. Quick research leads to that they’re organized mainly within the larger SMART but the unions making up the RWU within them only number a couple thousand and are a ”caucus”. Both labor organizations previously endorsed Joe Biden for president.

While no membership numbers are presented and the it’s activity page generally deals with spreading awareness of railroad unions’ actions, it’s technically the second endorsement of a labour organization to the People’s Party aside from the organizers of the RWDSU Bamazon union in Bessemer. While minor and not a complete union branch or local, these are the closest a third party candidate has gotten in receiving support from labour in a long while.

The ASP kicks upward once again

This isn’t the first time they’ve kicked upward in a faux-aloof tone either; they’ve done the same with the Libertarians in calling out their supposed membership profile and on socialist publications like Jacobin.

The ASP Twitter is one of the most passive-aggressive political twitters I’ve ever seen.

I’ve decided that unless the CPUSA demonstrates considerable independence from the Democratic Party to show they aren’t a Democratic Party faction and/or satellite, they will not get any recognition in this thread. Therefore, the WFP which has demonstrated to have no clear autonomy from the progressive Democrats will not be listed, nor the DSA under these circumstances. I will only report news from CPUSA regarding major cross-party collaboration and signals that they are actually independent.
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« Reply #59 on: April 21, 2021, 06:35:17 PM »
« Edited: April 21, 2021, 06:40:43 PM by Abdullah »

With the inauguration of a new president comes a new thread to serve as a space for future discussions of where the third party scene is heading for the next 4 years. This thread is free to serve as a space for a variety of discussion relating to such topics. The emergence and growth of new parties and perennial personalities, ballot access changes, and election predictions.

The parties and personalities listed here are in a dynamic list subject to change, but have an active national or regional presence. Do note that it is topical to talk about other parties not listed here. Due to instances where there is electoral fusionism, the list below will not include exclusively entryist and/or factional pressure groups such as the DSA, Working Families Party, Conservative Party, etc. However, this could be subject to change and discussion on these parties are acceptable in this thread.

Please be respectful for the most part; no inane thread hijackings over partisan squabbles, no whining about lesser evilism, no undeserved blaming over a party being a spoiler without sufficient evidence. If not, above all else keep it brief. Another thing I’d like to be avoided is the splintering of discussion without reason to. I still maintain that there was no reason to have an entire thread dedicated to Kanye West at that time given that it was not relevant to do so as far as the election was concerned. Now, while there is now a thread on USGD dedicated to the Libertarian Party, discussion may also happen there as well as here.

Well I expect the next four years to be eventful

Considering their historical bad showing in 2020, you would think that the Libs and Greens would just dissolve their parties. They never had a chance to win but the whole point is to splitter votes and they failed to do so in 2020

2020 was the 2nd-best presidential candidate performance for the Libertarians ever, behind 2016.

That's exactly right.

In fact, I find it surprising that the Libertarian Party got as many votes as it did, especially in such a polarized election (1.2% of the vote, damn). It's a good sign for them for a future election where both candidates are unpopular once again.



Something else that's interesting to note is the decline of the Constitution Party. It was already in a bad position, being the third-largest third party (lol), but it at least could consistently get 100k - 200k votes in presidential elections (and was significant enough to get its own avatars on this very website). I noticed, though, that in the 2020 election, Blankenship, the Constitution Party nominee, absolutely collapsed in the number and percentage of votes he got, only attaining 60k (some 0.05% of the vote).

Did they all move to Trump, and if so, why didn't they do so in 2016? (the Constitution Party got approx. 200k votes that year)
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« Reply #60 on: April 21, 2021, 07:28:48 PM »

Some marginal supporters did vote for Trump, and the Constitution Party did play a “safe-state” angle in kind of accepting people voting for Trump in official publications over Biden, but this is just one reason for the Constitution Party’s death and its corpse becoming sold by the remaining state chapters into a Blankenship vehicle.

After a decade of disaffiliations and lack of energy to continue on, with its leadership being resistant in really changing or getting in tune with reality, the last disgruntled chapters and personalities angered by the uncouth Blankenship buying the party primary left. Them and Tom Hoefling got like 3,000 votes compared to a little more than 60,000 votes for the CP. That’s worse then the organized Green Party splinters getting around 9,000 votes to GPUSA’s ~406,000.

Now with new(, self-serving) leadership, the party has tried to appear more hip, but the condescension and language of a bunch of old farts in the “Contract for California” I posted should tell you that it isn’t going anywhere. It can’t reform as the great article posted in the 2020 thread has shown, aside from selling itself for the highest bidder.

Why it didn’t happen beforehand was that to its elitist base, Trump was too uncouth and the Fire-and-Brimstone religious folks didn’t accept it. The Constitution party is wholly disconnected from the current radical right, who aside from forming outside paramilitary organizations, spreading their blogs more easily in a sellers market where demand for edgyness is high, and conducting operations as an auxiliary force for the police state they all just vote straight R because it’s easier to do so and because the Republicans are actively becoming more accepting of them.
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« Reply #61 on: April 21, 2021, 10:25:51 PM »

Learning that Socialist Alternative and their international was once workerist is something I’m not prepared for.

I’ve added Lpedia and Marxists.org, ran famously by the Cliffites, to the aggregate news and archive forum, mainly due to their immense information that goes above and beyond. Do realize their biases though.

So for those familiar with IPR, does anyone know what’s going on in there. The new site owner is getting a lot of flack for posting the entire ramblings of Don Grundmann, and Socratic Gadfly is apparently skeptical now of posting their.

Can any old timers tell me what’s the beef in that place? And why is BAN filled with such anal commenters too, like the most cool-headed person is Richard Winger on both forums lol.
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« Reply #62 on: April 22, 2021, 07:07:56 AM »
« Edited: April 22, 2021, 07:15:26 AM by StateBoiler »

And why is BAN filled with such anal commenters too, like the most cool-headed person is Richard Winger on both forums lol.

A poster named "Demo Rep" trolls every story. Frankly Winger should consider some level of tying your name to an email address or just get rid of the comments section. Every now and then there's a serious discussion in the comments but they're sparse.

LPedia is great. I think one of the driving creators of it was Caryn Ann Harlos, the pink-haired National Secretary from the Radical Caucus.

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The Libertarian Party Historical Preservation Committee (LPHPC or HPC) was formed in 2017. It is responsible for the collection, preservation, and sharing of hhttps://lpedia.org/wiki/National_Historical_Preservation_Committeeistorical records re, Joe Dehn, Ed Fochler, James Gholston, and Andrew Martin Kolstee.
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« Reply #63 on: April 27, 2021, 07:12:06 PM »

The People’s Party is registered now in Oregon. So far, none of the states registered or currently in the process of registering (FL) are swing states.

The Alliance party in their newsletter this month says that Darcy Richardson has stepped down as chair due to health concerns, instead being one of the two Vice chairs.

Darcy Richardson previously had been apart of the Consumer/Citizens party, ran Roseanne Bar’s campaign, and now is Vice chair of the people’s party.

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« Reply #64 on: May 03, 2021, 12:22:44 AM »

BANs monthly newsletter is out. Aside from it reporting that the SWP will only contest getting on the ballot in NJ, it also has a table set on the top 3 parties with the most US house candidates. What’s striking is that from the 1910s-1920s compared to the 2000s-2010s, there is a drastic decline of house candidates from third parties. There were hundreds of candidates then for each party while since 2004 the Libertarian party has been the only one able to surpass a hundred house candidates yearly.

A significant amount of this is due to ballot access laws making it nigh impossible to get on the ballot for prolonged amounts of time.

What’s interesting is that there was a middle lull point in the mid-50s, representing when the communist party was de facto illegal and unable to run by itself in the United States. However, compared to that low point the top three have more candidates since then, which could be inferred that there’s just more consolidation and tactical voting among people who want to make third parties but can’t.

While the Alliance party appears to be more upscale than the Democratic Party, its signaling isn’t to the right of the Democratic Party. It supports HR1 and the Pro-act, and it doesn’t exactly signal in a way on its site or social media that it is a differentiated product from the Democratic Party.

While its a little bit late to review mayday, I can at least review the Peace and Freedom Party. A party famous for encouraging entryism in its existence from Anti-revisionists, Marxist-Leninists, (deformed) Trotskyist Parties, radical feminists, and national celebrities to the right of Pete Buttigieg like Ralph Nader and Roseanne Barr. It’s famous for the drama arising from its pro-entryist ballot strategy.

Several days ago the party voiced concern over leaked police tweets
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“There’s supposed to be a protest at the courthouse from 1700 to 1900 for the ‘war in Iran’ … confirm u all have ur riot gear?? Gas mask, helmet, and dude handle,” Sgt. Reyna-Sanchez wrote.

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“Why don’t I have a side handle??” Reyna-Sanchez wrote, referring to a police baton.
The hippies are of course P&F members.

They also have recently supported Kshama Sawant over the right wing recall attempt. I’m honestly interested as to why SAlt hasn’t tried to enter the party, is it really stacked to the point of it being not worth joining?
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« Reply #65 on: May 03, 2021, 02:16:04 PM »

In the realm of ASP and adjacent tendencies, the new Solidarity Policy Center (from Catholic Social Action), interviewed 2020 ASP vice presidential candidate Amar Patel.

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« Reply #66 on: May 18, 2021, 01:35:31 PM »

Unity Party now ballot-qualified in Florida.
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« Reply #67 on: May 25, 2021, 12:17:35 PM »
« Edited: May 28, 2021, 12:04:04 AM by PSOL »

Green Party continues on in the process of disaffiliation of transphobic Georgia state party
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We challenge all Greens to consciously confront the systems of oppression within themselves and within society. Without equivocation we declare:

Trans men are men
Trans women are women
Nonbinary people are valid

Hate has no place in the Green Party and we want to assure gender, sexual and romantic minorities that they have a political home here.

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Constitution Party national convention in Corruna, Michigan now over

So is the ASP national convention in Alaska, occurring around the same time.

Socialist Alternative seeks to influence DSA platform.

15 independents, two Libertarians and Greens each, and one SWP and ASP member each running for California governorship

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« Reply #68 on: May 27, 2021, 11:11:20 PM »


Bold claims, but it shows that they’re still kicking and trying to grow as a party.

Unity Party now ballot-qualified in Florida.
I suppose this means a merger is off the table. A foolish decision by the chair who uses the party as a way to pick up chicks online. The leadership and structure of the Alliance Party is a working balancing act compared to anything else in the Americas aside from the ingenious of the Trotskyist alliance in Argentina. Electoral possibilities are much better with them than not.

In light of the fact that Nina Turner has successfully bounced for the Democratic Party and is going to win, that removes one of the many possibilities of a presidential nominee. Of course, there are a looooot of personalities to choose from. In order from those I like to those I don’t:

  • Abby Martin: Host of the Empire Files and Breakthrough News. Longtime activist in the DSA. Has links to the PSL inner command through her husband, Mike Prysner. If anyone is going to have a chance at nabbing the nomination of the P&FP through PSL bloc voting, it’s her. She’s going to attract most AES-supporting Marxist-Leninists, The people at The Grayzone, and the only person who can possibly wrack up the most DSA locals. The left of the People’s Party.
  • Rose McGowan: Leader of Code Pink and major #MeToo figure. On accounts of the latter alone, she’s up here. Anti-imperialist social democrat.
  • Cornel West: A major supporter of Sanders with links to activist groups and certain segments among the Black Left, such as the Poor People’s Campaign. Religious socialist. Theoretically could get the support of Bob Avakian’s RCP through West’s involvement with Refuse Fascism, so that’s an added 100+ circulators, doorknockers, and voters from it. I think a great person to be VP.
  • Marianne Williamson: My favorite cleric. A figure notable nationwide for her 2020 presidential run, charity work in aiding the poor and sick, union busting, and copyright battles for the works of her grand master. Her baggage extends further into her actual writings; a proponent of the prosperity gospel, antivaxx stances, and the oddity of her religious beliefs. Technically not a member. Being a former Green Party supporter is also another predictable touch, so glad these elements are gone at least
  • Nick Brana: Bernie surrogate who started the party. By my sources most likely the dude responsible for not forming a relationship with the Green Party. Standard social democrat and person who idolizes William Jennings Brian.
  • Susan Sarandon: the odd celebrity in there. On accounts of her status of working in high institutions and her wealth, she’s on the party’s right as opposed to the apparent left position of actor Danny Glover. Bobo figure
  • Jimmy Dore: E-celeb notable for controversy covered previously. Runs a very slick set of self-promotion and operations however

All in all I give it one election before the funders get bored and energy gets mopped up by the Democrats with a few stragglers to the PSL.
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« Reply #69 on: May 28, 2021, 09:21:32 PM »


Bold claims, but it shows that they’re still kicking and trying to grow as a party.

Unity Party now ballot-qualified in Florida.
I suppose this means a merger is off the table. A foolish decision by the chair who uses the party as a way to pick up chicks online. The leadership and structure of the Alliance Party is a working balancing act compared to anything else in the Americas aside from the ingenious of the Trotskyist alliance in Argentina. Electoral possibilities are much better with them than not.

In light of the fact that Nina Turner has successfully bounced for the Democratic Party and is going to win, that removes one of the many possibilities of a presidential nominee. Of course, there are a looooot of personalities to choose from. In order from those I like to those I don’t:

  • Abby Martin: Host of the Empire Files and Breakthrough News. Longtime activist in the DSA. Has links to the PSL inner command through her husband, Mike Prysner. If anyone is going to have a chance at nabbing the nomination of the P&FP through PSL bloc voting, it’s her. She’s going to attract most AES-supporting Marxist-Leninists, The people at The Grayzone, and the only person who can possibly wrack up the most DSA locals. The left of the People’s Party.
  • Rose McGowan: Leader of Code Pink and major #MeToo figure. On accounts of the latter alone, she’s up here. Anti-imperialist social democrat.
  • Cornel West: A major supporter of Sanders with links to activist groups and certain segments among the Black Left, such as the Poor People’s Campaign. Religious socialist. Theoretically could get the support of Bob Avakian’s RCP through West’s involvement with Refuse Fascism, so that’s an added 100+ circulators, doorknockers, and voters from it. I think a great person to be VP.
  • Marianne Williamson: My favorite cleric. A figure notable nationwide for her 2020 presidential run, charity work in aiding the poor and sick, union busting, and copyright battles for the works of her grand master. Her baggage extends further into her actual writings; a proponent of the prosperity gospel, antivaxx stances, and the oddity of her religious beliefs. Technically not a member. Being a former Green Party supporter is also another predictable touch, so glad these elements are gone at least
  • Nick Brana: Bernie surrogate who started the party. By my sources most likely the dude responsible for not forming a relationship with the Green Party. Standard social democrat and person who idolizes William Jennings Brian.
  • Susan Sarandon: the odd celebrity in there. On accounts of her status of working in high institutions and her wealth, she’s on the party’s right as opposed to the apparent left position of actor Danny Glover. Bobo figure
  • Jimmy Dore: E-celeb notable for controversy covered previously. Runs a very slick set of self-promotion and operations however

All in all I give it one election before the funders get bored and energy gets mopped up by the Democrats with a few stragglers to the PSL.


I would pay to watch Biden, MTG, and Dore debate.

Awesome work by the way. Keep it up!
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« Reply #70 on: June 02, 2021, 10:09:30 PM »

LMN has validated their signatures in Nebraska. They’ve bumped themselves outside of regional party status.

The Independence Party of New York and the Alliance party have formally disaffiliated, giving Brock Pierce another chance at getting nominated again. This dampens the near constant exponential growth of Alliance, but still onward the party goes forward.

The Green Party Accreditation Committee has disaffiliated the Georgia GP. The rest of the article is author SG whining about the decision to do so over recognizing Transgender women as women. He tries to cover this up by bringing about some other sorts of problems

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Personally, over other issues, like the over-decentralization, willy-nilly nature of national convention delegate determination (a BIG issue for Ralph Nader vs “AccommoGreens” way back in 2004), ease of joining caucuses (Bruce Dixon talked about “insta-Greens in state Green Party Black caucuses) and more, having talked with long-term Greens like Mark Lause and Brandy Baker five years ago, I figured the national Green Party had reached or surpassed its “best by” date after the 2016 elections.

This only further confirms that for me.
Given the fact that this and more is in no doubt the GNC flexing to maintain power over state chapters and that a significant number of dissenters have left the party who brought about this degradation, his points are mute. Given the fact that there are no options, certainly not for his total rejection of the Democratic Party, sometimes you just gotta eat something past its best by date because you’re strapped with other options for now. It isn’t ideal, but it won’t kill you.

The Green Party these two years have been trying to take back state parties by rogue cliques and cutting off the tumors across its appendages to save the body. For too long has the party allowed national wreckers and local cliques to tarnish its name and render the party absent from building the party from the ground up anywhere it can, and he’s complaining that they’re doing something?!

That being said, due to ballot access restrictions and loss of several major state chapters, clearly the party isn’t out of the hole yet or will rebound quickly even though they have done everything in their power to rebuild the party; forming major connections across the board with others on the Left, increased social media participation and activity in light of the ongoing media blackout, getting on every podcast in sight—most notably the Gravel Institute and Amped Up Podcast, the establishment of an expanded dues system, and campaigns to maintain and expand ballot access and membership registration in several key states. It’s going to take at least two cycles to come back from near disintegration.

The People’s Party is attempting to build a party in New Mexico.


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« Reply #71 on: June 13, 2021, 09:07:03 PM »

United Utah Party (UUP) isn’t interested in merging with the Alliance Party
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Definitely Alliance’s quick growth through mergers is over for now. However, it’s clear that they have the ability to continue recruiting and running good talent.

The People’s party has a nice newsletter focusing on where they are trying to build a party, their involvement in protests and other forms of activism, and announcing their new Head Director

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« Reply #72 on: June 24, 2021, 06:49:50 PM »



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« Reply #73 on: June 24, 2021, 07:15:13 PM »



“How are you doing fellow kids?”


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« Reply #74 on: June 27, 2021, 02:09:17 PM »

So here’s the supporters of the Renew America Movement.

Interesting to see Scaramucci’s name there. Anyway, given the importance of Evan McMullin, Bill Weld, and Barbara Comstock nationally I suspect they’ll last a good cycle or two. Still, the race to pull in disaffected Republicans is at an all time high. We’ve seen the Democrats try and do so, but there are many other third parties springing up to cater and attract this demographic, along with some old faces in the crowd. They even try to cater to all those pushed out of the party; suburbanites, affluential moderate minorities, Libertarians, normie young white college goers, compassionate religious conservatives, etc. We have the Libertarian Party, Alliance, American Solidarity Party, Reform party, United Utah Party, SAM, and a whole host of others. The first four will most likely survive RAM, and the first three will be major players in their own right.


So I’m going to list all the organizations that have either joined or are in the process of joining the DSA or are practicing entryism into the DSA. Given the fact that most of these folks doing so work harder than the regular libs or party leadership, as is usually the case, without actually being treated equally and fairly—the purpose of this is to vent my bitterness and frustration. FYI— most of the community work, union organizing, and agitation is done by “entryists”. Most of their electoral work in California is done not by the DSA themselves, but by a certain old New Communist grouping who split from FRSO.

Joined or joining (probably): Colorado Socialists, Liberation Road

Practicing Entryism (sadly): Socialist Alternative, Communist Party USA, Party of Communists USA, and even the American Solidarity Party

There are probably dozens more other groups who have either dissolved and joined the DSA or are practicing entryism instead of joining among each other in a less s•••ty org. This is an evolving list so I’ll update it every so often.

This is also probably SAlt’s first entryist attempt, and I’m not sure why. Previously they *joined up*, not practiced entryism, with other activist organizations and trade unionists as apart of the 1990’s Labor Party. The saga only ended for SAlt to get purged by its reactionary leadership, long ago when New York was its most active region. Now SAlt is conducting the same mistakes in being the hardest workers in the DSA even though they know what will happen in the end. They probably are the only group who likes Trotsky to have such heavy representation into trade unionism, only for them to kowtow to the DSA and be good lapdogs.

So we may be getting our first secessionist rivalry in a while now. The Cascadia Bioregional Party formed in its modern form just last year espousing independence for Cascadia. Of course, that gets in the way of the more southern coastal-based California National Party (who has a candidate for Gov), so we may see Spanish-style rivalries among regionalist parties now. It also seeks to carve out British Columbia for this new state.

Of course, let me say that the CBP follows other parties in being formed by a small core to be refined over the years. Since 2014 they’ve been building from the pre-party stage till just recently.


PSL is running multiple local candidates outside California now with New York and Illinois. They haven’t done so since 2013.

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