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« on: January 18, 2021, 06:59:50 PM »
« edited: January 18, 2021, 11:03:08 PM by Pyro »

This is apparently modeled after the 2001-era setup when the Senate was last evenly split. According to the article, "each party is expected to have the same number of seats on committees," so regardless of having a tie-breaking vote (and the power of the presidency), the Democrats are letting themselves be knee-capped before they next session even comes to order.

I'm always just completely dumbfounded at the speed to which Democrats fold. If the situation was flipped this year, I have no doubt that McConnell would have found a way to secure GOP majorities on every last committee. After their attempt to overrule the will of the voters and toss out the election, in addition stonewalling covid relief and shoving ACB onto the bench, it would have been nice if Schumer and the Dems put up a little bit more of a fight, here.

(Edit: Important to note that the Dems will retain committee chairs, and Schumer will still be 'majority leader'. Please read the entire article.)

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« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2021, 07:01:32 PM »

... What

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« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2021, 07:04:54 PM »

I was about to post this.

This is apparently modeled after the 2001-era setup when the Senate was last evenly split. According to the article, "each party is expected to have the same number of seats on committees," so regardless of having a tie-breaking vote (and the power of the presidency), the Democrats are letting themselves be knee-capped before they next session even comes to order.

I'm always just completely dumbfounded at the speed to which Democrats fold. If the situation was flipped this year, I have no doubt that McConnell would have found a way to secure GOP majorities on every last committee. After their attempt to overrule the will of the voters and toss out the election, in addition stonewalling covid relief and shoving ACB onto the bench, it would have been nice if Schumer and the Dems put up a little bit more of a fight, here.


So Mitch McConnell is still the senate majority leader then. I should have never got myself attached to the idea he was ever being shunted aside despite losing the senate.
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« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2021, 07:06:51 PM »

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Similar to those rules, set in January 2001, Schumer and McConnell aides are discussing allowing bills and nominations to advance to the Senate floor even if they are tied during committee votes, something that could become common given that each party is expected to have the same number of seats on committees.
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« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2021, 07:08:02 PM »

Why is the "left" in this country so laughably incompetent and stupid?
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« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2021, 07:08:45 PM »
« Edited: January 18, 2021, 07:11:48 PM by Bootes Void »

If there's a tie in the committee vote, what happens then?
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« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2021, 07:09:44 PM »

What exactly is the problem here? Tied committee votes will still get to the floor, we set the schedule, we control the Chairmanships of every committee. Is there something I'm missing?
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« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2021, 07:10:40 PM »

If there's a toe in the committee vote, what happens then?

It goes to the floor, as if it had passed
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« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2021, 07:10:54 PM »

At the start of a session, an organizing resolution needs to be passed that sets the rules. That needs 60 votes. Meaning it needs McConnell's support. So before everyone flips their collective sh**t, know that this result was guaranteed in a 50/50 senate.
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« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2021, 07:11:10 PM »
« Edited: January 18, 2021, 07:56:32 PM by Blairite »

What exactly is the problem here? Tied committee votes will still get to the floor, we set the schedule, we control the Chairmanships of every committee. Is there something I'm missing?

People didn't realize a tied committee vote would bring a bill to the floor instead of killing it--which would obviously be a problem. This isn't actually a big deal.
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« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2021, 07:11:25 PM »

This is not a "power sharing agreement." Republicans don't have any meaningful power.
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« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2021, 07:17:18 PM »

Well, that's neat for all of the 2 months until DC statehood is effective Tongue (hopefully)
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« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2021, 07:25:37 PM »

Calm down
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« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2021, 07:25:44 PM »

FILIBUSTER plus Manchin. One reason I like the attention whore and drama queen Schumer, is that he is a practical man, indeed in his NYC way, even genial, who wants to try to get something accomplished that he thinks is good for the nation, and is willing to work with the opposition to get what he can.
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« Reply #14 on: January 18, 2021, 07:39:06 PM »

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Similar to those rules, set in January 2001, Schumer and McConnell aides are discussing allowing bills and nominations to advance to the Senate floor even if they are tied during committee votes, something that could become common given that each party is expected to have the same number of seats on committees.

So this is basically fine for Democrats, right? Why is everyone panicking?
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« Reply #15 on: January 18, 2021, 07:39:43 PM »

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Similar to those rules, set in January 2001, Schumer and McConnell aides are discussing allowing bills and nominations to advance to the Senate floor even if they are tied during committee votes, something that could become common given that each party is expected to have the same number of seats on committees.

So this is basically fine for Democrats, right? Why is everyone panicking?

Because people read the headline rather than the article.
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« Reply #16 on: January 18, 2021, 07:43:05 PM »

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Similar to those rules, set in January 2001, Schumer and McConnell aides are discussing allowing bills and nominations to advance to the Senate floor even if they are tied during committee votes, something that could become common given that each party is expected to have the same number of seats on committees.

So this is basically fine for Democrats, right? Why is everyone panicking?

Because people love to assume the worst about Democrats, don't read past the headline, and don't understand basic government procedures.
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« Reply #17 on: January 18, 2021, 07:44:13 PM »

Yeah, this sounds bad on the surface (any sentence with the words "McConnell" and "power" in it does) but really isn't.
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« Reply #18 on: January 18, 2021, 07:44:32 PM »

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Similar to those rules, set in January 2001, Schumer and McConnell aides are discussing allowing bills and nominations to advance to the Senate floor even if they are tied during committee votes, something that could become common given that each party is expected to have the same number of seats on committees.

So this is basically fine for Democrats, right? Why is everyone panicking?
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« Reply #19 on: January 18, 2021, 07:50:24 PM »
« Edited: January 18, 2021, 07:57:36 PM by BudgieForce »

The twitter left is jumping on Schumer for this and it's giving me a migraine.

Does anyone really think their are 10 republicans who'd vote on an organizing resolution that McConnell opposes? Further more, if an organizing resolution doesn't pass, that means the senate can't do anything. Any fight on procedure delays Covid relief, and that really hurts Biden politically, not republicans.
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« Reply #20 on: January 18, 2021, 07:52:37 PM »

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Similar to those rules, set in January 2001, Schumer and McConnell aides are discussing allowing bills and nominations to advance to the Senate floor even if they are tied during committee votes, something that could become common given that each party is expected to have the same number of seats on committees.

So this is basically fine for Democrats, right? Why is everyone panicking?

Because this is the internet and people don't read the article, just the headline
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« Reply #21 on: January 18, 2021, 07:57:33 PM »

Remember when people laughed at the suggestion that Biden's presidency wouldn't see Democrats coddling and making needless and damaging concessions to Republicans? This is what happens when you allow centrism to take over the party and dismiss any criticism as it as being fringe or damaging to "unity". Congratulations Democrats, you elected four more years of Republican rule.

Why is the "left" in this country so laughably incompetent and stupid?

Because the "left" in this country is right wing by every international standard.

Because this is the internet and people don't read the article, just the headline

Republicans have had near absolute rule the last four years. They deserve zero say in anything beyond their elected officials voting on proposals.
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« Reply #22 on: January 18, 2021, 07:58:13 PM »

Why is the "left" in this country so laughably incompetent and stupid?

No, it's the people who don't know how to read past headlines who are stupid & who would be so laughably incompetent were it not for the people who do know how to read covering for them.
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« Reply #23 on: January 18, 2021, 07:59:51 PM »

Why is the "left" in this country so laughably incompetent and stupid?

No, it's the people who don't know how to read past headlines who are stupid & who would be so laughably incompetent were it not for the people who do know how to read covering for them.

C'mon now, don't kill the "Nancy and Chuck are complicit in the destruction of America" narrative using facts and logic. That's no fun.
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« Reply #24 on: January 18, 2021, 08:02:46 PM »
« Edited: January 18, 2021, 08:06:46 PM by brucejoel99 »

Remember when people laughed at the suggestion that Biden's presidency wouldn't see Democrats coddling and making needless and damaging concessions to Republicans? This is what happens when you allow centrism to take over the party and dismiss any criticism as it as being fringe or damaging to "unity". Congratulations Democrats, you elected four more years of Republican rule.

Please explain to us how an organizing resolution that's not only necessary for the Senate to proceed with doing literally anything but literally benefits the Democrats on balance given the wording thereof is a "coddling," "needless and damaging concession to Republicans" that equates to "four more years of Republican rule." We're all just dying to know how.
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