Permit for the Keystone XL pipeline to be canceled on Biden's first day

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Also, the independence from the Saudi argument doesn't work anymore, USA produces like 95% of its use already.

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Where did Obama stand on this?

Obama did refuse approval for Keystone XL and the project was considred killed. One of Trump's first executive orders was to revive the project (same order also revived Dakota Access).

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You posted this picture in response to a factual statement by True Federalist. If you disagree with his assertion that pipelines are the most ecologically sound way to move oil, prove it. This picture is certainly not proof. Train crashes happen. Truck accidents definitely happen. Pipelines are the best way to move oil and gas. If oil and gas is extracted from the earth, we need pipelines to move it.

I don't care what the "most ecologically sound" method of moving oil is, frankly.  As UncleSam aptly put it earlier in this thread, oil pipelines being the safest method of transport is the same as saying that hypodermic needles are the safest way to take heroin.

But moreover, imagine casually defending the relative safety of pipelines in a thread dedicated to discussing a specific pipeline that has already spilled hundreds of thousands of gallons of oil into the ecosystem.

Of course, the real goal is to stop oil and gas production

Agreed.

and going after pipelines is just an assbackwards way of going about it. Invent technologies that make oil and gas obsolete if that is your true goal. Of course that is much harder to do than standing in front of a pipeline construction site and screaming your lungs out.

You can do both, you know.  I've invested what little I can into green-energy research, and also donated some supplies to the Standing Rock community during the midst of the assault on their reservation in late 2016.

Thank you for acknowledging reality. Unfortunately, we don't have the technologies present today to immediately transition 100% to renewable energy. Thus, in the meantime our real choice is whether we want to produce oil and gas here in North America, or get it from dictatorships and terrorist sympathizers. Oil will continue to be used by Americans in the short term whether or not we build more pipelines. Stopping pipeline construction does nothing to advance your goal.

The thing is, you barely get any more dictatorships anymore. USA is on the verge of producing enough for itself and USA+Canada is already producing more than USA needs.

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You posted this picture in response to a factual statement by True Federalist. If you disagree with his assertion that pipelines are the most ecologically sound way to move oil, prove it. This picture is certainly not proof. Train crashes happen. Truck accidents definitely happen. Pipelines are the best way to move oil and gas. If oil and gas is extracted from the earth, we need pipelines to move it.

I don't care what the "most ecologically sound" method of moving oil is, frankly.  As UncleSam aptly put it earlier in this thread, oil pipelines being the safest method of transport is the same as saying that hypodermic needles are the safest way to take heroin.

But moreover, imagine casually defending the relative safety of pipelines in a thread dedicated to discussing a specific pipeline that has already spilled hundreds of thousands of gallons of oil into the ecosystem.

Of course, the real goal is to stop oil and gas production

Agreed.

and going after pipelines is just an assbackwards way of going about it. Invent technologies that make oil and gas obsolete if that is your true goal. Of course that is much harder to do than standing in front of a pipeline construction site and screaming your lungs out.

You can do both, you know.  I've invested what little I can into green-energy research, and also donated some supplies to the Standing Rock community during the midst of the assault on their reservation in late 2016.

Thank you for acknowledging reality. Unfortunately, we don't have the technologies present today to immediately transition 100% to renewable energy. Thus, in the meantime our real choice is whether we want to produce oil and gas here in North America, or get it from dictatorships and terrorist sympathizers. Oil will continue to be used by Americans in the short term whether or not we build more pipelines. Stopping pipeline construction does nothing to advance your goal.

The thing is, you barely get any more dictatorships anymore. USA is on the verge of producing enough for itself and USA+Canada is already producing more than USA needs.

Yes, I know that, but the market for oil is global. The more that is produced by North America, the less money that goes to Venezuela, Russia and the Gulf. We should export oil to other countries if we can produce more than what we need.

Very expensive and polluting tar sands and expensive shale gas aren't competitive on a global scale. You try to compete with them, they'll crank up the production so the oil barrel falls to a price where shale is more expensive to extract than its worth.