DC statehood Megathread (pg 33 - Manchin questioning constitutionality)

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Toomey already said on MTP he isn't lifting Filibuster in any scenario except for Manchin and Toomey gun control bill

[MT Treasurer]

^Lol what?

1) Any D.C. statehood bill isn’t going to receive major (if any) R support for incredibly obvious reasons. You’d have more of a point if this was about Puerto Rico, but nothing Republicans might do will allow them to be competitive in D.C.

2) Persuadable minority voters in swing/winnable states/districts don’t care about D.C. statehood. This sounds like something some NRSC intern would post in a press release, LMAO.

3) My point was that Manchin's vote on this is about as much "in doubt" as Toomey's is. I realize that the same gullible people will never stop falling for his tiresome, tiresome shtick, though.

[brucejoel99]

We're quickly approaching "big f**king deal" territory.

[MillennialModerate]

We're quickly approaching "big f**king deal" territory.

You’re not seeing that cash. This isn’t happening.

Period.

Only way I could even see it is if the parliamentarian rules it could happen?

It’s not happening

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

We're quickly approaching "big f**king deal" territory.

Manchin already said he isn't lifting Filibuster, the only big deal is the infrastructure

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

https://news.yahoo.com/gops-most-important-votes-2-033020050.html

Mcconnell says nice things about Manchin and Sinema, this is not the big deal territory that D's hope, Sinema and Manchin are still Against the Filibuster Reform

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

DC statehood isn't that big of a deal, the Ds want to press thru it, because they goofed up in 2009 when Obama and Biden refused to get rid of Filibuster and Harry Reid could have eliminated the Filibuster too in 2013

[CookieDamage]

naysayers are still utterly convinced this needs the filibuster to be approved. All that needs to happen is that manchin and sinema decide it doesnt need the filibuster pursuant to the fact that state admission isn't a legislative issue. The parliamentarian could rule similarly and even if she doesn't, the Dems can just lift the filibuster for admitting states. Manchin and Sinema wont oppose that no matter what theatrical schtick they pull.

[7,052,770]

naysayers are still utterly convinced this needs the filibuster to be approved. All that needs to happen is that manchin and sinema decide it doesnt need the filibuster pursuant to the fact that state admission isn't a legislative issue. The parliamentarian could rule similarly and even if she doesn't, the Dems can just lift the filibuster for admitting states. Manchin and Sinema wont oppose that no matter what theatrical schtick they pull.

Yep, there are lots of paths that lead to this passing by this summer, and if Manchin and Sinema weren't going to get on one of them, Biden and Pelosi would have quietly scuttled this.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

naysayers are still utterly convinced this needs the filibuster to be approved. All that needs to happen is that manchin and sinema decide it doesnt need the filibuster pursuant to the fact that state admission isn't a legislative issue. The parliamentarian could rule similarly and even if she doesn't, the Dems can just lift the filibuster for admitting states. Manchin and Sinema wont oppose that no matter what theatrical schtick they pull.

If this was the case they would have passed the DC Statehood in 2009 when they had 59 votes, Rs blocked it then and it wasn't passed

[CookieDamage]

naysayers are still utterly convinced this needs the filibuster to be approved. All that needs to happen is that manchin and sinema decide it doesnt need the filibuster pursuant to the fact that state admission isn't a legislative issue. The parliamentarian could rule similarly and even if she doesn't, the Dems can just lift the filibuster for admitting states. Manchin and Sinema wont oppose that no matter what theatrical schtick they pull.

If this was the case they would have passed the DC Statehood in 2009 when they had 59 votes, Rs blocked it then and it wasn't passed

There was way less Dem appetite in 2009 than there is today and thats almost all that matters. Also I'm pretty sure there wasn't a direct statehood bill in 2009, so your point is kinda moot.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

naysayers are still utterly convinced this needs the filibuster to be approved. All that needs to happen is that manchin and sinema decide it doesnt need the filibuster pursuant to the fact that state admission isn't a legislative issue. The parliamentarian could rule similarly and even if she doesn't, the Dems can just lift the filibuster for admitting states. Manchin and Sinema wont oppose that no matter what theatrical schtick they pull.

If this was the case they would have passed the DC Statehood in 2009 when they had 59 votes, Rs blocked it then and it wasn't passed

There was way less Dem appetite in 2009 than there is today and thats almost all that matters. Also I'm pretty sure there wasn't a direct statehood bill in 2009, so your point is kinda moot.

It remains to be seen if there are the votes there, but Rs are still gonna block it. It was a DC bill passed by the H and S, and Jon Kyle blocked it

[CookieDamage]

naysayers are still utterly convinced this needs the filibuster to be approved. All that needs to happen is that manchin and sinema decide it doesnt need the filibuster pursuant to the fact that state admission isn't a legislative issue. The parliamentarian could rule similarly and even if she doesn't, the Dems can just lift the filibuster for admitting states. Manchin and Sinema wont oppose that no matter what theatrical schtick they pull.

If this was the case they would have passed the DC Statehood in 2009 when they had 59 votes, Rs blocked it then and it wasn't passed

There was way less Dem appetite in 2009 than there is today and thats almost all that matters. Also I'm pretty sure there wasn't a direct statehood bill in 2009, so your point is kinda moot.

It remains to be seen if there are the votes there, but Rs are still gonna block it.

Rs are also the minority in both houses. In the house, they don't even need a filibuster for statehood, so the minority can just complain. I can't imagine any house dem blocking DC statehood either.

In the senate, there's a case, as I and many others have stated, that statehood requires no filibuster as it is not a legislative matter, so the minority is further unable to really block this. If Manchin and Sinema agree it doesn't need the filibuster, which I don't see as particularly unlikely, then all statehood needs is Kamala's VP tiebreaking vote.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Keep thinking that it doesn't require the lifting of the Fillibuster I am honestly waiting to know

You don't know everything, otherwise you would be on TV not on Atlas making comments

[CookieDamage]

Keep thinking that it doesn't require the lifting of the Fillibuster I am honestly waiting to know

You don't know everything, otherwise you would be on TV not on Atlas making comments

Literally among the strangest comments I've ever read...

[brucejoel99]

We're quickly approaching "big f**king deal" territory.

You’re not seeing that cash. This isn’t happening.

Period.

Only way I could even see it is if the parliamentarian rules it could happen?

It’s not happening

Good, keep the reverse psychology up! It's worked wonders on everything we've previously sought!!

[WD]

We're quickly approaching "big f**king deal" territory.

You’re not seeing that cash. This isn’t happening.

Period.

Only way I could even see it is if the parliamentarian rules it could happen?

It’s not happening

Good, keep the reverse psychology up! It's worked wonders on everything we've previously sought!!

Hopefully MillennialModerate starts telling us that Court Packing has an absolutely 0% chance of happening.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Keep thinking that it doesn't require the lifting of the Fillibuster I am honestly waiting to know

You don't know everything, otherwise you would be on TV not on Atlas making comments

Literally among the strangest comments I've ever read...

Frankly, one of OC’s more coherent contributions. Filibuster is inevitable.

[CookieDamage]

Keep thinking that it doesn't require the lifting of the Fillibuster I am honestly waiting to know

You don't know everything, otherwise you would be on TV not on Atlas making comments

Literally among the strangest comments I've ever read...

Frankly, one of OC’s more coherent contributions. Filibuster is inevitable.

Except it isn't

[7,052,770]

Keep thinking that it doesn't require the lifting of the Fillibuster I am honestly waiting to know

You don't know everything, otherwise you would be on TV not on Atlas making comments

Literally among the strangest comments I've ever read...

Frankly, one of OC’s more coherent contributions. Filibuster is inevitable.

It's inevitable that they'll try. It's inevitable that they'll fail.

[7,052,770]

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1384522251773620224

Biden wouldn't be making this statement if it weren't a done deal.

[emailking]

Biden wouldn't be making this statement if it weren't a done deal.

Yes he would because he's trying to make it happen. You really think Manchin & Sinema have given Biden private assurances that they will vote to overrule the parliamentarian in the event she rules the filibuster applies to statehood?

[7,052,770]

Biden wouldn't be making this statement if it weren't a done deal.

Yes he would because he's trying to make it happen. You really think Manchin & Sinema have given Biden private assurances that they will vote to overrule the parliamentarian in the event she rules the filibuster applies to statehood?

I don't know what particular path they've settled on, but yes, I believe Manchin and Sinema have indicated to leadership that they will not derail this. This would be such an embarrassing disgrace to Biden and the rest of Democratic leadership to get this far and not get it done. If the votes weren't going to be there, they would have quietly dropped this months ago.

[Badger]

Biden wouldn't be making this statement if it weren't a done deal.

Yes he would because he's trying to make it happen. You really think Manchin & Sinema have given Biden private assurances that they will vote to overrule the parliamentarian in the event she rules the filibuster applies to statehood?

Maybe?

[emailking]

Biden wouldn't be making this statement if it weren't a done deal.

Yes he would because he's trying to make it happen. You really think Manchin & Sinema have given Biden private assurances that they will vote to overrule the parliamentarian in the event she rules the filibuster applies to statehood?

Maybe?

Yeah maybe. Sinema had said she won't overrule the Parliamentarian (not for this specifically but in general) and Manchin has been pretty definitive about not messing with the filibuster which is why I'm highly skeptical.