Marjorie Taylor Greene craziness megathread

[Secretary of State Liberal Hack]

She's already hurting the democrat, they've got a new money sink which will shred their cash even further.

https://twitter.com/charlesbethea/status/1357499471223996417

[Inmate Trump]

She's already hurting the democrat, they've got a new money sink which will shred their cash even further.

https://twitter.com/charlesbethea/status/1357499471223996417

No Democrat will ever win that district.  He should run as a Republican and primary her, he'd have a better chance.

[Fuzzy Bear]

... There are allegations of ballots transported from NY to PA, of huge numbers of ballots having just the Presidential race selected, bins of ballots pulled out under tables, etc.  Why should this NOT be investigated?

Your "bins of ballots pulled out under tables" allegation, was debunked a long time ago.
Why would you believe in this Giuliani hogwash? Lunatic Rudy and company, intentionally only showed part of the video where "bins were pulled out from underneath tables." But as many have already seen and as the factual story goes, if you watch the entire video, the bins were place there earlier for temporary storage, and then were pulled back-out to continue the counting of ballots.
Why are you being so dishonest about the entire election?

This rebuttal which you laid out was discussed in a 60 Minutes report by Scott Pelley last month, in which he interviewed Brad Raffensperger, Georgia's SoS, and his Chief Operations Officer Gabriel Sterling. And as I've noted before, Raffensperger wrote a lengthy and detailed rebuttal of Trump's claims of fraud, and sent it to Congress ahead of the Electoral College certification.

CBS News does not have the moral authority to "debunk" anything.  Nor do persons who are defendants in suits brought against Georgia.

That's the issue, is it not?  How can a blatantly activist media serve as an agent to "debunk" stories unfavorable to their side?

[7,052,770]

... There are allegations of ballots transported from NY to PA, of huge numbers of ballots having just the Presidential race selected, bins of ballots pulled out under tables, etc.  Why should this NOT be investigated?

Your "bins of ballots pulled out under tables" allegation, was debunked a long time ago.
Why would you believe in this Giuliani hogwash? Lunatic Rudy and company, intentionally only showed part of the video where "bins were pulled out from underneath tables." But as many have already seen and as the factual story goes, if you watch the entire video, the bins were place there earlier for temporary storage, and then were pulled back-out to continue the counting of ballots.
Why are you being so dishonest about the entire election?

This rebuttal which you laid out was discussed in a 60 Minutes report by Scott Pelley last month, in which he interviewed Brad Raffensperger, Georgia's SoS, and his Chief Operations Officer Gabriel Sterling. And as I've noted before, Raffensperger wrote a lengthy and detailed rebuttal of Trump's claims of fraud, and sent it to Congress ahead of the Electoral College certification.

CBS News does not have the moral authority to "debunk" anything.  Nor do persons who are defendants in suits brought against Georgia.

That's the issue, is it not?  How can a blatantly activist media serve as an agent to "debunk" stories unfavorable to their side?

It's really sad seeing a once-reasonable poster fall off the edge of sanity like this.

No one is saying that the allegations aren't true merely because CBS and Raffensperger say so. They allegations aren't true because Raffensperger and others have conclusively demonstrated they are not through the evidence they have shown since the beginning.

[Calthrina950]

... There are allegations of ballots transported from NY to PA, of huge numbers of ballots having just the Presidential race selected, bins of ballots pulled out under tables, etc.  Why should this NOT be investigated?

Your "bins of ballots pulled out under tables" allegation, was debunked a long time ago.
Why would you believe in this Giuliani hogwash? Lunatic Rudy and company, intentionally only showed part of the video where "bins were pulled out from underneath tables." But as many have already seen and as the factual story goes, if you watch the entire video, the bins were place there earlier for temporary storage, and then were pulled back-out to continue the counting of ballots.
Why are you being so dishonest about the entire election?

This rebuttal which you laid out was discussed in a 60 Minutes report by Scott Pelley last month, in which he interviewed Brad Raffensperger, Georgia's SoS, and his Chief Operations Officer Gabriel Sterling. And as I've noted before, Raffensperger wrote a lengthy and detailed rebuttal of Trump's claims of fraud, and sent it to Congress ahead of the Electoral College certification.

CBS News does not have the moral authority to "debunk" anything.  Nor do persons who are defendants in suits brought against Georgia.

That's the issue, is it not?  How can a blatantly activist media serve as an agent to "debunk" stories unfavorable to their side?

So are you suggesting that CBS News is deliberately lying about the election? What motivation would they have to do so?  And once again, you ignore the fact that the "defendants" in these "suits"-which have been all been rejected or dismissed out of hand, by Trump-appointed or conservative-leaning judges in many instances-are Republican officials, who supported Trump's reelection bid, but could not abide by his insinuations regarding the electoral processes in their state. And Trump is now facing potential criminal investigation by authorities in Fulton County for the call he made to Raffensperger.

[GeneralMacArthur]

She's already hurting the democrat, they've got a new money sink which will shred their cash even further.

https://twitter.com/charlesbethea/status/1357499471223996417

No Democrat will ever win that district.  He should run as a Republican and primary her, he'd have a better chance.

It would be really entertaining for him to run a campaign that's nothing more than "death to the confederacy" and see if he can get MTG to defend the confederacy.  That would work wonders for Georgia turnout.

[Hindsight was 2020]

So if CBS doesn’t have the “moral authority” to debunk the case (even though debunking of the voter fraud accusations has come from many sources not just cbs or even the news in general) what exactly gives Trump, Giuliani, or Fuzzy himself as a poster the “moral authority” to have the initial accusation of fraud be treated as remotely credible?

[Crumpets]

So if CBS doesn’t have the “moral authority” to debunk the case (even though debunking of the voter fraud accusations has come from many sources not just cbs or even the news in general) what exactly gives Trump, Giuliani, or Fuzzy himself as a poster the “moral authority” to have the initial accusation of fraud be treated as remotely credible?

#BelieveAllBillionairePoliticians

[GeorgiaModerate]

So if CBS doesn’t have the “moral authority” to debunk the case (even though debunking of the voter fraud accusations has come from many sources not just cbs or even the news in general) what exactly gives Trump, Giuliani, or Fuzzy himself as a poster the “moral authority” to have the initial accusation of fraud be treated as remotely credible?

You guys are still engaging with Fuzzy?  That's a futile endeavor; just put him on Ignore.  A sad case of a formerly thoughtful and interesting poster who completely lost it.

[QAnonKelly]

Y’all just don’t engage with Fuzzy. Don’t give him what he wants, attention.

[Calthrina950]

So if CBS doesn’t have the “moral authority” to debunk the case (even though debunking of the voter fraud accusations has come from many sources not just cbs or even the news in general) what exactly gives Trump, Giuliani, or Fuzzy himself as a poster the “moral authority” to have the initial accusation of fraud be treated as remotely credible?

You guys are still engaging with Fuzzy?  That's a futile endeavor; just put him on Ignore.  A sad case of a formerly thoughtful and interesting poster who completely lost it.

Well, I'm not going to cease all interaction with him, because he stood up for me during my "problematic" period before I took my hiatus, and I do find it interesting to read his posts of historical analysis.

[Fuzzy Bear]

... There are allegations of ballots transported from NY to PA, of huge numbers of ballots having just the Presidential race selected, bins of ballots pulled out under tables, etc.  Why should this NOT be investigated?

Your "bins of ballots pulled out under tables" allegation, was debunked a long time ago.
Why would you believe in this Giuliani hogwash? Lunatic Rudy and company, intentionally only showed part of the video where "bins were pulled out from underneath tables." But as many have already seen and as the factual story goes, if you watch the entire video, the bins were place there earlier for temporary storage, and then were pulled back-out to continue the counting of ballots.
Why are you being so dishonest about the entire election?

This rebuttal which you laid out was discussed in a 60 Minutes report by Scott Pelley last month, in which he interviewed Brad Raffensperger, Georgia's SoS, and his Chief Operations Officer Gabriel Sterling. And as I've noted before, Raffensperger wrote a lengthy and detailed rebuttal of Trump's claims of fraud, and sent it to Congress ahead of the Electoral College certification.

CBS News does not have the moral authority to "debunk" anything.  Nor do persons who are defendants in suits brought against Georgia.

That's the issue, is it not?  How can a blatantly activist media serve as an agent to "debunk" stories unfavorable to their side?

So are you suggesting that CBS News is deliberately lying about the election? What motivation would they have to do so?  And once again, you ignore the fact that the "defendants" in these "suits"-which have been all been rejected or dismissed out of hand, by Trump-appointed or conservative-leaning judges in many instances-are Republican officials, who supported Trump's reelection bid, but could not abide by his insinuations regarding the electoral processes in their state. And Trump is now facing potential criminal investigation by authorities in Fulton County for the call he made to Raffensperger.

Let it all happen.

Why, honestly, is there no place for a Congressional investigation of exactly how state elections officials changed the rules in the name of COVID-19 (e. g. changing the standard for signature verification, implementing drop boxes, ballot harvesting, etc.) and its effect?  Why, honestly, is there not a Congressional panel investigating sworn accounts of ballots transported across state lines and such?  Why, honestly, is there not an open Congressional investigation into the vote counting processes that have clear and documented discrepenciies in terms to access by Trump poll watchers?  

To say these issues have disappeared and have been "debunked" is simply not true.  They have been denied by the people administering these elections, dismissed by the media without real inquiry, and (in many instances) not even heard by the Courts.

I don't know what the final outcome of such an HONEST investigation would be.  At this point, it would not change anything; the electors have chosen Biden.  But the issues raised were issues that should have been promptly and fully investigated right after the election.  They were not "baseless" claims; they may have not proven to be dispositive in the end, but they were sworn affidavits by real individuals, and not "unnamed sources".

You're an intelligent person.  I would suggest that you read Means of Ascent by Robert Caro.  A decent chunk of the book focuses on LBJ's 1948 Senate run and details the how of the 1948 primary that gave us (by 87 votes ) "Landslide Lyndon".  The book leaves the clear impression that Coke Stevenson won the primary, and not by a shift of a mere 200 votes in one precinct, but by thousands of votes over huge swaths of South Texas.  There was fraud in verifying signatures.  And the large landowners paid the poll taxes of scores of people that weren't going to vote; the word from Duval County (TX) boss, George B. Parr was, "Just count 'em!".  That's the principle of stuffing ballots; find a way to get others to "Just count 'em!".  Relaxing standards of voter signature verification is one way.  Finding ways for non-voters to cast ballots is another.  To say nothing of ballot harvesting.  

"Voter Fraud" is a bit of an inaccurate term to describe what happened.  There was certainly some "election fraud", but there was also the selective (and illegal) changing of rules, all of which favored Democrats.  Unauthorized changes to the means by which ballots were collected.  Ignoring court orders to segregate ballots based on when they were received.  Consent Decrees that were not approved by the state legislature.  The 2020 election was a combination of illegal ballots being cast, legal ballots being cast late being counted, and changes in voting procedures that were unconstitutional in that they were not approved by the state legislature in which they occurred.  It's a big deal when one side can alter an election's rules at will, and that happened.  Why it surprises people when the losing side objects in the face of all that is not surprising.  

The key to all of this sticking is to block any examination of this.  THAT was the key to LBJ's win in 1948; to stop the recount.  An examination of all of the ballot boxes, signatures, etc. was in progress.  The results threatened to be ominous for LBJ; Robert Caro noted that while there was no indication that LBJ participated in the vote fraud, the action would have been forever associated with LBJ because the votes had been cast for HIM.  An appeal to Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black caused an immediate order that the counting be stopped.  (Black's order was, and should be, looked at with considerable skepticism, as LBJ's candidacy was intertwined with the fortunes of the Truman campaign, while his opponent, former Texas Governor Coke Stevenson, had the support of those Texas Democrats who did not support the National Ticket and those who would be "Dixiecrats".)  The counting stopped.  It was over 40 years before a deathbed confession detailed how the votes in Jim Wells County were stolen.  That was just one county; LBJ actually lost that primary by thousands of votes.

In Detroit, in Atlanta, in Philadelphia, in Phoenix, I saw something that significantly resembled 1948 in Texas.  Was it the same?  Like in 1948, any real examination into the mechanics of the vote was preempted.  People are not loony to be skeptical; if the 2020 Presidential election were stolen it wouldn't have been the first significant stolen election in our history.

[lfromnj]

Detroits population is 600k
The total number of votes cast were around 250k

South texas literally had more votes than registered voters.

[Torie]

The LBJ story is legendary.

But the best story for me is the one about Illinois in 1968, where Chicago hung on to some votes, and then Republican DuPage also held on to some  as well, with the idea that they did not want to disclose to Chicago how many votes were needed for Humphrey to win the state. This went on and on for hours and hours, in a "Mexican standoff." Finally Humphrey called up Mayor Daley and told him to release the vote count, and then DuPage did its final vote dump, and Nixon won the state by 150,000 votes or so (per Dave Leips anyway). Whether Humphrey did it out of honor, or because it was impossible to generate the needed votes in Chicago so the game is not worth the candle anyway, I do not know. And the whole story may be an urban legend to boot, but that does not mean it isn't a good story, but "merely" rather that it is good  fiction rather than non fiction.

[Fuzzy Bear]

The LBJ story is legendary.

But the best story for me is the one about Illinois in 1968, where Chicago hung on to some votes, and then Republican DuPage also held on to some  as well, with the idea that they did not want to disclose to Chicago how many votes were needed for Humphrey to win the state. This went on and on for hours and hours, in a "Mexican standoff." Finally Humphrey called up Mayor Daley and told him to release the vote count, and then DuPage did its final vote dump, and Nixon won the state by 150,000 votes or so (per Dave Leips anyway). Whether Humphrey did it out of honor, or because it was impossible to generate the needed votes in Chicago so the game is not worth the candle anyway, I do not know. And the whole story may be an urban legend to boot, but that does not mean it isn't a good story, but "merely" rather that it is good  fiction rather than non fiction.

One reason the 1960 vote for JFK was not more seriously contested is that the Democrats were no less entitled to look askance at the margins for Nixon in DuPage, Lake, and Kane Counties as the GOP was for looking askance at the vote count in Cook County.

[ProudModerate2]

... There are allegations of ballots transported from NY to PA, of huge numbers of ballots having just the Presidential race selected, bins of ballots pulled out under tables, etc.  Why should this NOT be investigated?

Your "bins of ballots pulled out under tables" allegation, was debunked a long time ago.
Why would you believe in this Giuliani hogwash? Lunatic Rudy and company, intentionally only showed part of the video where "bins were pulled out from underneath tables." But as many have already seen and as the factual story goes, if you watch the entire video, the bins were place there earlier for temporary storage, and then were pulled back-out to continue the counting of ballots.
Why are you being so dishonest about the entire election?

This rebuttal which you laid out was discussed in a 60 Minutes report by Scott Pelley last month, in which he interviewed Brad Raffensperger, Georgia's SoS, and his Chief Operations Officer Gabriel Sterling. And as I've noted before, Raffensperger wrote a lengthy and detailed rebuttal of Trump's claims of fraud, and sent it to Congress ahead of the Electoral College certification.

CBS News does not have the moral authority to "debunk" anything.  Nor do persons who are defendants in suits brought against Georgia.

That's the issue, is it not?  How can a blatantly activist media serve as an agent to "debunk" stories unfavorable to their side?

CBS did not "debunk" anything.
They simply invited and aired Brad Raffensperger, Georgia's Secretary of State in charge of elections (and a Republican), who talked and showed evidence "debunking" trump's nonsense of supposed fraud.

But, we here in Atlas, will allow you to continue to make such nonsensical claims. It only displays your true colors for everyone to see.

[Blue3]

https://mobile.twitter.com/RzstProgramming/status/1357387722873311235








Anyway... what are the actual policies she stands for, besides Trump worship?

[GeorgiaModerate]

https://mobile.twitter.com/RzstProgramming/status/1357387722873311235







Anyway... what are the actual policies she stands for, besides Trump worship?

Owning the libs.

[Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

https://mobile.twitter.com/RzstProgramming/status/1357387722873311235







Anyway... what are the actual policies she stands for, besides Trump worship?

Whatever Trump tells her to stand for.

[7,052,770]

In Detroit, in Atlanta, in Philadelphia, in Phoenix, I saw something that significantly resembled 1948 in Texas.  Was it the same?  Like in 1948, any real examination into the mechanics of the vote was preempted.  People are not loony to be skeptical; if the 2020 Presidential election were stolen it wouldn't have been the first significant stolen election in our history.

No you didn't. You didn't see a thing.

How is it even possible that after all this time you think those 4 cities had anything to do with those states flipping? Biden didn't do any better in those places than Hillary did. He flipped those states because successful, educated suburbanites who've voted Republican in the past just couldn't stomach Trump anymore, so much that they couldn't even vote 3rd party.

It's downright embarrassing that you keep posting this stuff that has been known to be false for over 3 months now.

[Virginiá]

..How is it even possible that after all this time you think those 4 cities had anything to do with those states flipping? Biden didn't do any better in those places than Hillary did. He flipped those states because successful, educated suburbanites who've voted Republican in the past just couldn't stomach Trump anymore, so much that they couldn't even vote 3rd party. ...

While I agree with what you're saying, you know better than anyone that Fuzzy has his own opinions very obviously driven by conservative media, and literally nothing is going to change them. Not from anyone else but the people who drive most of his opinions, anyway. No amount of data or appeals to logic will ever make a difference.

[7,052,770]

In Detroit, in Atlanta, in Philadelphia, in Phoenix, I saw something that significantly resembled 1948 in Texas.  Was it the same?  Like in 1948, any real examination into the mechanics of the vote was preempted.  People are not loony to be skeptical; if the 2020 Presidential election were stolen it wouldn't have been the first significant stolen election in our history.

No you didn't. You didn't see a thing.

How is it even possible that after all this time you think those 4 cities had anything to do with those states flipping? Biden didn't do any better in those places than Hillary did. He flipped those states because successful, educated suburbanites who've voted Republican in the past just couldn't stomach Trump anymore, so much that they couldn't even vote 3rd party.

It's downright embarrassing that you keep posting this stuff that has been known to be false for over 3 months now.

shut up about fuzzy already dammit.  get over it.  moveon.org

Even you agree that Fuzzy is wrong in his posts about 2020 election fraud. Aren't we doing him a disservice if we don't at least try to tell him?

I want nothing more than for Fuzzy to return to his old reputation as a good, knowledgeable poster. It breaks my heart to see how Trumpism corrupted him. Maybe you've given up on him, but it's just not in my nature to do that.

[GeneralMacArthur]

The only thing that changes Fuzzy's opinion is when Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh tell him it's time to have a different opinion.

And it doesn't bother him at all that they tell him to believe completely contradictory things from one day to the next.  They just say "it's not contradictory, you idiot" and he repeats that.  Done.

Fuzzy is basically an HTML page that Fox and right-wing talk radio edit on a daily basis with new beliefs and arguments supporting those beliefs.  Discussing anything with him is the equivalent of scrolling around for a bit and then hitting refresh.  Like, that's all you're doing.  He's not a real person.  Don't treat him like one.

And lest you think I am unfairly picking on Fuzzy, I think the same is true of the vast majority of Trump supporters.

[Horus]

The only thing that changes Fuzzy's opinion is when Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh tell him it's time to have a different opinion.

And it doesn't bother him at all that they tell him to believe completely contradictory things from one day to the next.  They just say "it's not contradictory, you idiot" and he repeats that.  Done.

Fuzzy is basically an HTML page that Fox and right-wing talk radio edit on a daily basis with new beliefs and arguments supporting those beliefs.  Discussing anything with him is the equivalent of scrolling around for a bit and then hitting refresh.  Like, that's all you're doing.  He's not a real person.  Don't treat him like one.

And lest you think I am unfairly picking on Fuzzy, I think the same is true of the vast majority of Trump supporters.

On the contrary, these people are sick and need humanity more than ever. Tens of millions of Americans have been duped and need treatment. At the end of the day they're still Americans, can't give up on them and dehumanize them, even if they might do so to us.

[7,052,770]

..How is it even possible that after all this time you think those 4 cities had anything to do with those states flipping? Biden didn't do any better in those places than Hillary did. He flipped those states because successful, educated suburbanites who've voted Republican in the past just couldn't stomach Trump anymore, so much that they couldn't even vote 3rd party. ...

While I agree with what you're saying, you know better than anyone that Fuzzy has his own opinions very obviously driven by conservative media, and literally nothing is going to change them. Not from anyone else but the people who drive most of his opinions, anyway. No amount of data or appeals to logic will ever make a difference.

I hear you, but if we just ignore him, he will claim we all know he's right and just have nothing to possibly say in response, totally speechless at his flawless arguments.